Horrible Voice Acting Discussion

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TheNohrianDarkKnight
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09:39:19 PM Sep 5th 2016
I feel like the dub of Fire Emblem Fates belongs in this section, because it has a good number of voices that are considered terrible, especially when compared to the previous title, Awakening. Hinoka, Effie, and especially Male Kana are among the worst of the voices.
dragonfire5000
10:13:41 AM Sep 6th 2016
edited by dragonfire5000
I feel like it doesn't fit. First of all, remember: 'We don't list entries on the basis of "Dubs gone wrong". If you are going to list someone, be sure that your entry isn't essentially boiling under "He/She's an English dub voice actor, therefore he/she sucks" or "Complaining about English dubs you don't like".'

I personally don't find the voices of Hinoka, Effie, and Male Kana bad at all. For stuff to be listed here, the voice acting needs to be especially bad, as in "the voice actors didn't put in any effort whatsoever" kind of bad. It's clear that the voice actors for those three characters are making an effort, and the voice acting is not on the same level of bad as Chaos Wars.

If you want to put the example here, you're going to need a better reason other then "I don't like how these characters sound." Remember, this trope isn't just about characters that sound bad; it needs to be clear that the voice actors were not trying at all, clearly do not have the ability to do professional voice acting, or other screw-ups far worse than just "sounding annoying to a certain group of people."

Oh, and if you plan to use They Just Didn't Care, you need to have Word of God that they half-assed stuff. You can't just use the reasoning that it's "obvious," because doing that just invites complaining, and everyone's definition of "obvious" will be different.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
10:43:05 AM Sep 6th 2016
edited by TheNohrianDarkKnight
But isn't Darth Wiki kind of a form of YMMV? Because I feel like especially Hinoka and M! Kanna's VAs aren't really putting effort. I also feel like Kris Zimmerman (who directed the voice clip recording) didn't really do a good job with several of the characters. I feel like the voices of Fates were not as good as Awakening, which had a lot more good voice choices.

Also, Laura Faye Smith has never played a boy before. She was only known as Rosalina's voice clips.

Can you give me an example of how I should phrase FE Fates for this section?
dragonfire5000
11:16:43 AM Sep 6th 2016
edited by dragonfire5000
Honestly, my advice is this: DON'T. It really feels like you're just wonking at this point.

Darth Wiki is a sort of YMMV, but YMMV is for documenting audience reactions, not complaining about things you don't like. Just because you don't feel like Zimmerman did a good job doesn't mean other people will think so as well.

And so what if Laura Faye Smith never played a boy before? I personally think she did a good job with Male Kana. Remember, for something to fit in Horrible Voice Acting, it needs to be an extreme sort of terrible, not just something that sounds bad to you. It needs to be something that the vast majority of fans finds terrible. And a couple vocal people on a forum does not count as a "vast majority."

Seriously, there's no real way for you to phrase this without it coming across as complaining, especially since several others have already told you that it doesn't fit.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
01:21:34 PM Sep 6th 2016
edited by TheNohrianDarkKnight
I felt she was a terrible choice. And it was one of the reasons why M! Kana is considered The Scrappy. I'm not wonking it.
dragonfire5000
01:37:58 PM Sep 6th 2016
Sorry if I sound a bit harsh when I say this, but your personal feelings do not matter in this case. For something to get onto Horrible Voice Acting, it needs to meet a rather high set of standards, and you have yet to prove the voice acting in Fire Emblem Fates does so. All you have basically done is complain how much you don't like the voice acting.

And yes, you are wonking. You have tried several times to bash the voice acting of Male Kana in several tropes like No Dub for You, WTH, Casting Agency?, and They Just Didn't Care, even after being told that the entries did not fit. Worse still, you keep trying to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care even after being told that They Just Didn't Care requires Word of God that the people making the product didn't care at all, which you failed to provide.

At this point, I can't see any other reason why you would put this entry other than for complaining or wonking about Male Kana.

Also, Male Kana is the Scrappy? First time I heard of it.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
01:47:44 PM Sep 6th 2016
edited by TheNohrianDarkKnight
You never heard of The Scrappy?

And no, No Dub for You is only when an anime or game does not receive a dub for international home media release.
dragonfire5000
01:57:54 PM Sep 6th 2016
I know the trope. I just don't see how Male Kana fits the trope.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
02:04:43 PM Sep 6th 2016
edited by TheNohrianDarkKnight
If you want to see, look at the YMMV page for Fire Emblem Fates (under the folder: O-S) and the scrappy page of Fire Emblem.

Oh, if you want to hear what the Japanese voice for M! Kana sounds like, and why lots of people such as myself despise the localized voice, this video (start at 2:20) will give you an answer.
dragonfire5000
02:07:14 PM Sep 6th 2016
edited by dragonfire5000
I've seen the YMMV page. I also noticed that the Male Kana entry was written by you. You can understand why I think that Male Kana is your Single-Issue Wonk, right?

Also, I have heard Japanese Male Kana before. And you know what? I still think English Male Kana is perfectly fine. If anything, I think I might actually prefer the English Male Kana if I had to choose which one I like better.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
02:15:16 PM Sep 6th 2016
But YMMV has differentiating opinions though. We're allowed to have opinions, and my opinion is that Male Kana's English voice was terrible!
dragonfire5000
02:17:53 PM Sep 6th 2016
You're allowed to have your opinions, but you are not allowed to use the wiki to complain. And you're also not allowed to misuse tropes for the sake of complaining.

Hence why I think it's a good idea for you to just let the issue go. Continual misuse of tropes for the sake of complaining doesn't end well for anyone.

And also, YMMV is for documenting audience reactions. It should not be used to try to pass off opinions as facts, and it should never make it seem like TV Tropes is taking a side in such issues.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
02:19:39 PM Sep 6th 2016
I'm sure that was also several audiences' reactions, though. Why don't you ask others?
dragonfire5000
02:26:34 PM Sep 6th 2016
And I'm sure that are several others who don't have the same problem with the character as you do, if you care to look around.

Regardless, the main issue is that you have been misusing tropes just to complain about a character, and trying to sneak in entries under different tropes even as your entries are being deleted for misuse. Remember: if you're going to try claiming They Just Didn't Care, you need a citation from Word of God. If you're going to put an entry under Horrible Voice Acting, you cannot just say "But all the people I talked to claim the voice acting is terrible!" It needs to be something acknowledged as terrible by the vast majority, otherwise the trope just becomes a place for people to whine.

If you absolutely have to complain about Male Kana's English voice, TV Tropes is not the place to do so.
Larkmarn
02:28:00 PM Sep 6th 2016
And keep in mind that So Bad, It's Horrible does have some standards, despite being Darth Wiki. We even have a thread dedicated to cleaning up bad SBIH entries, I believe.
TheNohrianDarkKnight
02:29:34 PM Sep 6th 2016
Would Base Breaker be a term for M! Kana's voice, though?
dragonfire5000
02:35:39 PM Sep 6th 2016
edited by dragonfire5000
First, Base Breaker is now Base-Breaking Character. Second, you're probably better off asking that question in Ask The Tropers.

This thread, while short, may also be worth checking out.

Yeah, Base-Breaking Character is another one of those tropes that is very likely to be misused. Might want to be careful with it.
lakingsif
12:05:07 AM Sep 7th 2016
edited by lakingsif
Base-Breaking Character is not an appropriate trope for Male Kana's voice, nor Male Kana.

Honestly, if you're really desperate to put it somewhere on the wiki, you could check to see if the Dethroning Moment of Suck pages are still allowed to exist and put it on there (one issue per troper, your own opinion, sign it).

EDIT: DethroningMoment.Video Games <— that's the appropriate page; there's even already an entry on the Fates localisation
supernintendo128
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09:46:25 PM Feb 9th 2016
edited by supernintendo128
  • FUNimation's original 1999 dub of the Frieza Saga is notorious for it's poor acting and amateurishness. It was FUNimation's first DBZ dub without Saban's hefty financial assistance, as such the dub's cast literally consisted of random non-actors imitating the prior Ocean Group cast.
  • Speaking of The Ocean Group, their alternate dub of the Cell-Buu arc is often ridiculed for it's bad acting. Fans of Ocean usually attribute this to a very rushed production schedule, and the overall cheapness of producers AB Group (yes, the same people behind the Big Green dub).

Do these really belong here? I can't speak for the Ocean dub but the early Funimation dub of Dragon Ball Z wasn't the worst thing ever.
fergzilla
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03:20:40 PM Jun 11th 2015
edited by fergzilla
OK, I've been thinking on Pokemon (more specifically the Pokemon USA dub)'s inclusion on this article, and it is actually pretty debatable on whether or not it truly deserves a spot there. Yes, I can agree that the change of dubbing companies is "controversial". Yes, I can agree that it is "not as good as 4Kids' acting". However, I have heard much much MUCH worse dubs, making Pokemon's current dub pretty tame in comparison. I don't think that it is the "best" dub ever, but it's far from the worst. Yes, the PUSA dub is panned by some people, but not ALL people (I'm talking about both Pokemon fans and non-fans). Yeah, it's not AS loved as 4Kids' dub for sure, and even the fans of both dubs can admit that. It's not really "universally" or even "near-universally" panned, more like a Broken Base cut in half at best, with one side being more rabidly vocal about it than the other. To me, it's "fine" at best, "OK" at worst. Don't love it, but I don't loathe it either (keep in mind my opinions on the 4Kids dub are much different from that and a little bit more positive). Having Ash's voice being described as a "chain-smoking woman" makes me imagine him being voiced by Naruto's Naruto: The Abridged Comedy Fandub Spoof Series Show incarnation (himself being a constant smoking addict In-Universe), which honestly brings me a laugh, but I think in reality it's an exaggeration. Yes, Ash's current voice actor is no Veronica Taylor for sure, but some don't think Sarah Natochenny is THAT bad, even if she can't live up to the previous actor's legacy. And as for the voices of the titular Pokemon creatures, I didn't particularly care about that anyway since all they can say is their own names anyway (making it a bit hard to relate, but not too much), only a select few actually having the ability to speak human language (be it through their mouths or telepathically). So I don't expect any of the voice actors of the (non human language-speaking) Pokemon creatures to put on a spectacular and mind-blowing performance on par with Shakespearean theater anyway since there is not much you can do with only saying one word ever and repeating it over and over, occasionally making a sound effect. I'm leaving this up for discussion.
TheCallOutBSMan
12:00:30 PM Jun 14th 2015
edited by TheCallOutBSMan
I have to disagree and it does deserve a definite spot on the list. I don't feel it's debatable: many people do not like the PUSA dub and many, many characters have grating speech patterns, as well as inappropriate voices that do not match their ages or even genders at times.

Ash is 10, yet sounds the wrong sex and Sarah Natochenny is a confirmed smoker in real life as well: she even has a blog about her and smoking— http://theblogofchenners.tumblr.com/post/2746668129/the-argument-for-cigarettes. It is also notable that Sarah Natochenny does smoke cigarettes in real life, as the following picture suggests, making the female chain-smoker statement that much more valid: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8600601@N08/3042965099.

Brock is 15, yet he sounds 50, and he has awful lines in which he abuses alliteration constantly.

Almost the entire fandom now thinks James sounds like a 60 year old man with a cold, when he is 25.

The PUSA dub script itself is awful as well: fans have even made a list showing how awful the current dub's script writing is as well. For an example of the Painful Rhyme and Totally Radical lines PUSA adds, one needs to look no further than this:

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blogs/66625/my-top-115-worst-pokemon-anime-lines-why-they-suck-part-3-a-64425/ http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blogs/66625/my-next-110-worst-pokemon-anime-lines-why-they-suck-continued-61788/ http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blogs/66625/my-top-151-worst-pokemon-anime-lines-why-they-suck-60176/

There's also the fact many people on the Internet have said the PUSA voice cast has gotten worse and worse over the years.
fergzilla
07:02:42 PM Jun 17th 2015
edited by fergzilla
Hmmm, yeah, maybe there's more to this than I thought there is. I thought that in order for something to deserve a spot on any Horrible list, it has to be pretty much universally hated with not even so much as a small fanbase. And sometimes even things where it's cool to hate on by the majority of people (like Twilight, Justin Bieber, Eragon, Irate Gamer, Sword Art Online, etc.) aren't on the Horrible list because of a presence of said small fanbase.

I thought it was a case of a Broken Base and people not accepting change (doesn't help that a similar case happened when one half of the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase flipped its shit over the voice acting of the games being handed to the Sonic X cast, so I initially chalked it up to history repeating itself), and maybe that was the case for at least the first two PUSA-dubbed seasons, but not so much in recent seasons where everyone agrees it's a trainwreck.

If the PUSA dub is truly "universally hated" now, especially at the XY season, and it's worse than merely "mediocre" now, without even so much as one fan of its dub job, not even one person saying "eh, it's alright" or even "it's not a total disaster", and not even one non-fan who's neutral to the franchise without any positive/negative bias towards anything Pokemon likes it (or at least doesn't think it's "total shit"), then I might have to pay more attention to both the anime and its fans/haters better so that I can vouch and make judgements better. I have been a fan of the anime in its early years, and I think I have seen at least a handful of episodes of the earliest PUSA-dubbed series when I was younger, and I have seen short clips of the BW and XY anime series on occasion, but maybe that wasn't enough to make a full judgement. I might have made the mistake by relying on memories of the first PUSA season only to say my things. Sorry about making a poor judgement. Do reply when any of you want to say something back.
TheCallOutBSMan
04:35:38 PM Jun 19th 2015
edited by TheCallOutBSMan
Not a problem at all: you didn't have poor judgment— no one does— it's all opinion here in the end. The thing is, much like 4Kids' One Piece and Odex' Yu-Gi-Oh, a majority of the fandom considers PUSA Pokemon (especially in the newer series, and particularly XY) to suffer from extremely poor voice acting. There's fans of ANY dub or show with voice acting, several of which have been listed here, but the thing is that a majority of the fanbases don't like the voice acting presented here, and that's why PUSA Pokemon is very suitable to add to this list for that reason.
fergzilla
09:50:27 AM Jun 22nd 2015
edited by fergzilla
Yeah, fair enough. Personally, I consider what I've seen of PUSA to be So OK It's Average in terms of voices, so I'm not even considered a "fan" of it per se. But who knows, once I see a significant portion of the XY anime (say, a few full episodes), my opinion on at least that specific season might veer towards "it's horrible". But I haven't determined yet.
TheCallOutBSMan
07:41:17 PM Jun 23rd 2015
Thanks, and no problem. My main issue with the PUSA dub's voice acting is that none of the voices match the characters, which is one of the main reasons why I consider it awful: Ash sounds more like a 20 year old woman on drugs than a 10 year old boy, for instance, and Brock sounds more like a 50 year old man than a 15 year old teen. James has also gotten significantly worse as the PUSA dubs' gone on for some reason: when Jimmy Zoppi started out, he just sounded like Eric Stuart's James got a cold- now, it's degenerated into a 60 year old man's voice.

Of course, the PUSA dub script does not aid the voice actors at all- that's another issue with the dub now: even if 4Kids' actors returned, I doubt they could salvage the lines Jimmy Zoppi writes these days.
HerrBlitzDiktator
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04:52:52 PM Oct 23rd 2014
edited by 186.182.119.103
I'd like to say that the dub from Venezuela in History Channel is not really bad to be perfectly honest, back when it first appeared (in the 2000s) we loved it. We had Megas XLR, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hellsing, among others, in various channels (History Channel, Animax, Cartoon Network, N Ickelodeon). So, here in Argentina, while not as loved as say... Mexican dubs, which are Crowning Moment of Voice Acting for us (save for rare exceptions). And gets boring after a while of hearing the same voices over and over again. The dub from that channel is far from Horrible. The anime Fate/stay night HAD a terrible dub though...
Tehrannotaur
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01:27:43 PM Jul 4th 2014
edited by Tehrannotaur
Shall I add in Mao-chan's English dub to the list. Here's it description.

Mao-chan's English dub attempts to literally emulate the speech patterns from the Japanese track (such as making the characters say “I say that, yes I do!” after every sentence), but it comes across as awful-sounding, lame and awkward. In addition, the voice acting is horrendous and ear-grating, as the voices are obnoxiously high-pitched, straining to sound as cute as possible. It's better explained on Anime News Network's review of the series.
Buscemi
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09:22:08 PM May 15th 2014
Is there any objection to including Bobby Monyihan's work on the short-lived Chozen? His character's voice makes Angela Anaconda seem easy on the ears.
SeptimusHeap
10:50:36 PM May 15th 2014
Well, I do object on the grounds that nobody has given an argument for his inclusion yet.
Valsion
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11:55:58 PM Feb 25th 2014
I request the entry about Polish version of League of Legends to be removed. Our dub is clearly a case of Woolseyism, as many phrases spoken by characters contain references to Polish movies (such as Graves), music (Lux) or literature (Nasus).

Also, even though some characters are voiced by the same person, they do a good job at trying to sound different. AND some voices, especially those of newer characters (Aatrox, Thresh, Lucian and Vel'Koz) sound better than the original English voices.
SeptimusHeap
08:32:52 AM Feb 26th 2014
Hmm, seems like a sound removal argument. Let's wait for a few days and if nobody objects pull it.
Tehrannotaur
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02:54:53 AM Dec 24th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
I'm requesting that the English dubs of Love Hina (the X-Mas special was apparently decent) and Mao-chan be added onto the list (both happen to be directed by Wendee Lee). Both have been critically slammed by Anime News Network reviews, especially for Love Hina Again, which got an F in the dub.

  • The English dub of Love Hina features forced, unemotional and dry acting, and horrendous casting. Such example include the Hinata sisters, that are supposed to be young, junior high characters, are cast with mature, middle-aged voices, ruining their cuteness. Kitsune is cast with a Southern accent (to mirror her Kansai Regional Accent) that is done horribly to the point of not only being uncharacteristic of her party-loving, tomboy character, but also excruciatingly grating on auditory nerves. Love Hina Again's English dub is even worse, with piss-poor writing and acting, and Naru sounding high-pitched and whiny, as well as Kitsune having an even worse and forced Southern accent than in the TV series. It's easier explained on Anime News Network.
MyFinalEdits
07:29:17 AM Dec 24th 2013
As long as you add the sources (not the way you've just done it, though XD), you can add it yourself, I think.
Tehrannotaur
10:58:12 AM Dec 24th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
I have it update now, so can I add it
WillyFourEyes
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01:35:41 PM Dec 8th 2013
Removed this entry...

  • Maria-sama ga Miteru, c/o Animax Asia. The voice actors wouldn't be accepted into a highschool drama club for their performance, for all of the broadcasts, and their efforts top at merely passable. Exhibit A.
    • They also pick the wrong people to voice some of the characters, like here and here.

...as the link to the YouTube clip for Marimite is dead, and the other two clips refer to Animax's English dub of Keroro Gunsou (and it's hard to judge the overall voice-acting quality based on a pair of 30-second commercials).
Larkmarn
01:40:54 PM Dec 8th 2013
Is that really justification to pull the example? I mean, there's no requirement for examples to include weblinks.
WillyFourEyes
06:42:35 PM Dec 12th 2013
All right, then. I'll restore the Marimite example without the dead link. I can't personally vouch for or against the quality of the dub, as I haven't heard any samples of it myself.
ViperAcidZX
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02:11:53 PM Jun 3rd 2013
Who's been mucking up the video game folder of bad voice-acting?
RobbieRotten
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12:19:15 AM May 4th 2013
yikes, we have to control this section as much as all the others. meaning, only put on TRULY awful stuff everyone hates. for example, i rather like phineas's spanish voice, and i know that plenty of people do too. so it's really odd to put on here with examples of voices everyone hates.
SkyHedgehogianMaestro
02:10:32 PM May 11th 2013
At the end of the day, everything here is technically still subjective opinion.
ViperAcidZX
02:10:59 PM Jun 3rd 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
-EDIT- Whoops, hit the wrong button.
flashsucks
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06:38:27 AM Nov 14th 2012
I was thinking of adding this, but i need your approval, since i don't it to be a bad dub all together, just certain performances and other elements which were SBIH.

I know it has its fans, and it got better in the long run, but the Ocean dub of the later DBZ episodes (108-276, androids - end of series) had some really BAD moments, particularly in the cell saga. Replaced voice actors, miscast and misdirected voice actors, music recycled from the mega man cartoon and other canadian anime dubs such as monster rancher, and an overall lack of polish stemming from an extremely rushed production schedule are to blame. For example, Dale Wilson's interpretation of Cell and Alistair Abell's interpretation of Trunks. Both are good actors, but here... Trunks sounds like a man in his 40s (i know teenagers can sound that deep, but it doesn't help that he sounds so emotionless too) and Cell is extremely inconsistent (going from a good, haughty tone befitting a smug monster like Cell to yelling like he has a throat infection and making these annoying vocal tics ALL the time). Not to mention Jillian Michaels' Gohan (taking over from Saffron Henderson), who just sounded way too much like a girl that it strains your suspension of disbelief. However, Kirby Marrow's Goku (the 3rd ocean goku, taking over from Peter Kelamis, who took over from Ian James Corlett) is just... wrong. He sounds compassionate and friendly, but doesn't have anything else. He just fails to capture the badass and goofy side of Goku, making him seem incredibly bland. On the whole though, the later ocean dub was an utter step down from their first try at the series, one that was widely praised for everything that the second try was criticized for. Hell, even the original cast took a hit. Ted Cole's hunky Yamcha became stiff, like he was locked in Chang Wufei mode (Gundam Wing was dubbed around this time). Terry Klassen had multiple roles (Krillen, Master Roshi, Babidi) and got worse over time, particularly his clowish Krillin. Matt Smith's intense version of Tien became totally emotionless; the only actors to keep their quality were Scott Mcneil's Piccolo, who still sounded exceptionally badass and mysterious, and Brian Drummond's Vegeta, who still sounded slithery and enraged.
thebobmaster
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11:56:22 PM Oct 28th 2012
edited by thebobmaster
I removed this from the Video Games folder:

While Mass Effect 3 's voice acting is top-notch, but Diana Allers' voice is just plain painful to listen to, if you don't mind causing your ears to bleed, you can hear it here

I don't disagree that Jessica does not make for a good voice actress, and should probably stay out of the studio. But there is a difference between mediocre and So Bad, It's Horrible. I didn't find her performance to be "OMG, this is terrible! MUTE IT!" To me, that should be the reaction to even be considered as potentially SBIH.

I'm mostly mentioning this because I am aware that there could be differing opinions, and I don't want to have an edit war on my behalf because I disagreed with the majority.

Plus, the description even says that the voice acting is top-notch, except for hers. Not saying it's impossible for all the voices to be great, and one to be terrible, but it doesn't seem like something that would be overlooked if it were the case. Why get all the voices great, then ignore one that is beyond terrible?
MiseryWind
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01:00:36 AM Sep 27th 2011
edited by MiseryWind
Should we really count the translation errors and mediocre voices as horrible voice acting? See this entry:

•Zone of the Enders: The Second Runner has an awkward translation and generally mediocre voice actors, and that's not even counting the main villain. The only really good voice in this game was the AI.

I mean, there'd be more examples of "mediocre voice acting" but there might be arguements about it. You know, like the arguements for Batman and Robin. Plus, on the actual page itself, it mentions the script and voices being so bad it's good at best.
Shrikesnest
08:36:55 AM Jun 11th 2012
No, I think you're right. This is the page for horrible voice acting, not just mediocre voice acting.
Pett62
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09:19:48 AM Jul 23rd 2011
I removed this:
  • Sam & Max in ALL SIXTEEN EPISODES of Telltale's games. Sam sounds wooden and monotone, while Max is nails-on-a-chalkboard grating. This is what happens when you hire cheap actors off the street corner instead of Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson.
    • The voices for the secondary characters, however, are okay. It's a shame players won't be able to hear them, since they'll be too busy turning the voice volume down just so they don't have to listen to the awful acting from the main characters.
It's seems more "The new voice actors suck because there aren't Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson" and less "MY EARS! THEY BURN!".
nuclearneo577
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04:48:57 PM Jun 25th 2011
I'm pretty sure the main page was cut by mistake.
AKK
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07:12:25 PM Jun 6th 2011
Generally speaking, I find the Petra Pan syndrome somewhat annoying. It's when they cast a female VA for a young boy's voice. There's good(Veronica Taylor as Ash in Pokemon), and bad(my mind has temporarily blocked them from memory). When they're speaking normally, it's usually okay, but in high-stress situations(usually yelling or screaming), it's a little jarring to hear what should be a teenage boy suddenly sounding like a 5 year old. And some just sound like a young actress playing a drag role in a comedy(eg. Demi Lovato's Sonny when she was dressed as the polar bear)

Also, Ranma 1/2's Shampoo's English dub. As someone of Chinese descent, I cringed when I heard the emphasis used for her greeting. It's not "Ni(neutral dragging tone) Hao(exclamatory tone!)", it's "NI(with a questioning tone) Hao(descending tone)!".
SquigPie
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01:34:16 AM Jan 31st 2011
edited by SquigPie
Removed:

  • Heavy Rain has a voice cast made up of French and British actors trying to sound American. At best, this makes them sound a little stilted. At worst... well, you've got Nahman Norman Jayden and his bizarre, inconsistent accent. And Lauren, whose voice is indescribably annoying. And those two kids in the construction site flashback, one of whom doesn't sound the least bit upset to be drowning.
    • The most jarring part about Jayden is that there's nothing wrong with his acting per se - he's got great physicality and uses his voice well, but it's so obvious he can't keep up with the accent that it's impossible to ignore.

Because no, the voice-acting isn't anywhere NEAR SBIH, it might be inconsistent in places. But for it to be SBIH, it must be passionatly hated by most of the people who've played the game.
tsstevens
05:36:10 AM Feb 6th 2011
I read through the edit history and it seems the first Resident Evil game is vehemently prohibited being listed. Why?
nuclearneo577
12:31:59 PM Feb 6th 2011
1. Hit the add new topic button. 2. It's very funny.
notdryad
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06:12:06 PM Nov 12th 2010
I'd like to know why Metroid: Other M keeps being edited out for its voice-acting. Anyone care to explain how someone reading their lines in such a dull and monotone voice ISN'T horrible voice acting?
Abodos
03:18:58 PM Nov 13th 2010
For one thing, many professional reviewers and fans actually liked her voice for that exact reason. Furthermore, the voice actress was specifically asked to act in such a manner in order to get Samus to come across as having been raised by aliens. Even then, the game still has several instances where Samus does emote, so it's not like Jessica Martin is incapable of acting.
nuclearneo577
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07:41:59 PM Nov 4th 2010
This all needs clean up.

"YOU MUST WECOVAH AWW THE ENEGY IMEDILY, W-MEGMAN!"
Dr. Light, Mega Man 8

  • Mega Man X 4: X sounds like a little girl, Zero sounds decent but heavy on the Narm, the two-story-tall General sounds like a little boy, and nobody can pronounce "coup" properly (the P is meant to be silent!).
    • "WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR?!"
      • It was later redubbed by Zero's VA from Command Mission and a new Iris with a neutral American accent, and it is chillingly good.
    • Iris' terrible accent; it's almost impossible to tell whether she's supposed to be Australian, British, or from Texas.
    • X7 had mediocre, but bearable, voice work, with two notable exceptions. First is Axl's whiny, grating 12-year-old voice was quite obviously supplied by a woman (for those who complain about Naruto's dub voice being too raspy, this one is worse). On top of that, his uneven, slurred enunciation made him sound drunk. Much worse than Axl, however, is the dub voice for Flame Hyenard, whose dialog is little more than "BURN! BURN TO THE GROUND!!! BURN!!!" at the top of the actor's voice. It's a miracle he didn't suffer from massive throat polyps like the US cast of Dragon Ball Z did...
  • Mega Man 8's voice acting, while not as bad as the X series, is just plain bad. Seriously, Duo sounds like a teenager, Bass sounds like some sort of boned teenager (and the characters pronounce his name as if he was the fish), Dr. Light sounds like Elmer Fudd (arguably So Bad, It's Good], though), Mega Man sounds like a little girl (not even on his own terms), Roll sounds more masculine than Mega Man himself, and Proto Man talks too fast.
    • "YOU MUST WECOVAH AWW DAH ENERGY IMEDILY WI-MEGMAN! And later: WE MAY-AY...BE ABLE TO LOCATE ANUTHA ENERGY EMISION FROM DA RADAR ROOM. WEN WE FIN DAT METEOH, WE FAIN DOCTAH WAHWEE." He actually managed to misread his lines and was about to say "Wily" and "mayaybe".
    • Made even worse by the dialogue sounding extremely forced and unnatural, much more so than most other games with voiced dialogue. It sounds like everyone is reading directly from a script they were just given, without any rehearsal time whatsoever.
  • Ever since its choice of preference for The Ocean Group for the X series, you'd think Capcom would abstain from hiring voice actors from the streets. Well, what do you know, ZX Advent comes to prove us wrong! The lack of emotion and terrible directing ally with terrible sound editing and bipolar delivery (a character would sound angry in one line, to become perfectly calm in the next). The casting wasn't much better — you know Axl's high-pitched voice from Mega Man X7? Model A's is worse.

Lets take it down part by part.

  • Mega Man X 4: X sounds like a little girl, Zero sounds decent but heavy on the Narm, the two-story-tall General sounds like a little boy, and nobody can pronounce "coup" properly (the P is meant to be silent!).

X is funny, especially in the cutscene before you fight double (the one where those other robots call him a freak). Zero is fine in gameplay. And with General, what? Is that an Ass Pull just to call it bad? Also, elaborate on the coup part.

Someone put this under So Bad, It's Good, but I cant decide if it is that or horrible.

  • Iris' terrible accent; it's almost impossible to tell whether she's supposed to be Australian, British, or from Texas.

This can stay though.

  • Mega Man 8's voice acting, while not as bad as the X series, is just plain bad. Seriously, Duo sounds like a teenager, Bass sounds like some sort of boned teenager (and the characters pronounce his name as if he was the fish), Dr. Light sounds like Elmer Fudd (arguably So Bad, It's Good], though), Mega Man sounds like a little girl (not even on his own terms), Roll sounds more masculine than Mega Man himself, and Proto Man talks too fast.

If Light is "arguably So Bad, It's Good" then it cant be here. I think so too. The rest is horrible though.

"YOU MUST WECOVAH AWW THE ENEGY IMEDILY, W-MEGMAN!"
Dr. Light, Mega Man 8

  • "YOU MUST WECOVAH AWW DAH ENERGY IMEDILY WI-MEGMAN! And later: WE MAY-AY...BE ABLE TO LOCATE ANUTHA ENERGY EMISION FROM DA RADAR ROOM. WEN WE FIN DAT METEOH, WE FAIN DOCTAH WAHWEE." He actually managed to misread his lines and was about to say "Wily" and "mayaybe".

More on Lights obviously So Bad, It's Good voice. Get a new quote.

  • Made even worse by the dialogue sounding extremely forced and unnatural, much more so than most other games with voiced dialogue. It sounds like everyone is reading directly from a script they were just given, without any rehearsal time whatsoever.

Merge this back into the entry when Light is taken out.

  • Ever since its choice of preference for The Ocean Group for the X series, you'd think Capcom would abstain from hiring voice actors from the streets. Well, what do you know, ZX Advent comes to prove us wrong! The lack of emotion and terrible directing ally with terrible sound editing and bipolar delivery (a character would sound angry in one line, to become perfectly calm in the next). The casting wasn't much better — you know Axl's high-pitched voice from Mega Man X7? Model A's is worse.

I have not played it, but i have a feeling that this is not valid either.

  • X7 had mediocre, but bearable, voice work, with two notable exceptions. First is Axl's whiny, grating 12-year-old voice was quite obviously supplied by a woman (for those who complain about Naruto's dub voice being too raspy, this one is worse). On top of that, his uneven, slurred enunciation made him sound drunk. Much worse than Axl, however, is the dub voice for Flame Hyenard, whose dialog is little more than "BURN! BURN TO THE GROUND!!! BURN!!!" at the top of the actor's voice. It's a miracle he didn't suffer from massive throat polyps like the US cast of Dragon Ball Z did...

This can stay.

Any help?
Komodin
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01:59:16 PM Sep 15th 2010
Removed this:

  • Telltale's Sam and Max series is another example. Absent are the voices of Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson that the cancelled LucasArts game Freelance Police promised. David Nowlin brings no emotion into any line he records as Sam (including an episode where he is supposed to sound really angry for the first half), and William Kasten makes Max sound more annoying than Scrappy Doo and Jar Jar Binks combined. Don't believe me? Listen and compare.

There seems to be something of a dispute over this particular example. Let's try to discuss it here before it turns into an edit war.
SomeNewGuy
02:53:05 PM Sep 15th 2010
I second the removal. Having played through the entirety of seasons 1 and 2, I can say with confidence that I have no problems with Sam and Max's VA, and in fact I like Max's voice, as it adds a degree of wistful Cloudcuckoolander to his sociopathic tendencies. In fact, this incident is the first time I've ever heard the VA of Sam & Max being heavily criticized.

I do agree that Sam sounds a bit too deadpan at some points, though.
173.13.95.58
07:05:42 AM Sep 16th 2010
I *strongly* disagree with the removal. And not only that, I have no idea who either David Nowlin or William Kasten are since Telltale will give me like NO information on either of them. I haven't even seen an interview with either of them, though I have seen interviews with six, count 'em, SIX actors from the new series WHO HAVE VOICED NEITHER SAM NOR MAX.

So I don't understand why I should prefer a complete stranger who probably isn't a fan of the series to someone that IS recognizable and actually does the voice right.

I really think that all this support for the new actors seems rehearsed, and that there's something going on behind the scenes.
Mr.Histronic
07:35:12 AM Sep 16th 2010
Third the removal, but then again I'm a sinister tell-tale plant. Like Some New Guy above, this is the first time I've heard any serious criticism of the new VA's, and it strikes me as just alittle bizarre. I mean, you shouldn't try to justify something as so bad it's horrible with the modifier "In comparison to", the example really should be able to stand on its own in horribleness.
nuclearneo577
06:10:12 PM Sep 16th 2010
I've haven't listened to the voices, but what Mr.Historonic has an excellent point.
173.13.95.58
06:29:52 AM Sep 17th 2010
And did I mention that the original voice actors still haven't been given a fair chance? Not once has a single product with the original voices been legally sold in the United States since the sixteen episodes' voices have been recorded. And it angers me that people still aren't willing to give the original voice actors a fair chance.

Komodin, Some New Guy, Mr.Histronic and nuclearneo577, you need to understand.
BlackMageJ
09:25:45 AM Sep 17th 2010
The criteria for SBIH isn't "There's some bizarre conspiracy to make sure nobody ever hears the original voice actors again", it's "Oh sweet ceiling cat my ears are bleeding make it stop". Liking the old voices doesn't make it mandatory to loathe the new ones.

Oh, and Hit the Road is still sold as part of the Lucasarts Classics range. It's even bundled with Day of the Tentacle.
68.112.254.225
11:00:38 AM Sep 17th 2010
But not in the United States!

And have you even HEARD Nowlin and Kasten? I actually listened to them, and my ears really did bleed. Nowlin really was emotionless, and Kasten really was grating.

Oh sweet ceiling cat, make it stop!
SomeNewGuy
11:23:11 AM Sep 17th 2010
I DID, since I played through the first two seasons in their entirety. Like I said, Sam is mostly deadpan, but he does manage to sound angry/sad/etc when the mood calls for it. And how can you not like Max's voice? It adds to his hilarity. (I still fondly remember his hilarious quips in Abe Lincoln Must Die)
HaraldB
12:29:18 PM Sep 17th 2010
As someone who's been around at Telltale's forum for some years and an admin at the Sam & Max Wiki, allow me to add my 2 cents. Mr 173.13.95.58 here is part of a vocal minority. The discussion gets stirred up every now and then, but time and again it turns out that most fans are fine with or even prefer the new voices. See this recent poll for one example.
Marioguy128
05:57:27 PM Sep 17th 2010
Yeah supporting the removal. I had no problems with either of their voices.
75.42.216.117
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03:18:43 AM Sep 7th 2010
Seriously? Hetalia? Sure, the accents may be a bit much, but SERIOUSLY!? Was the person who put that on the list on crack or something?
crakhaed
03:25:22 PM Sep 9th 2010
It's possible they did not read the last part of the introduction, where it explicitly stated not to post personal opinions on English dubs, only dubs where it was universally agreed the dub was terrible.
94.9.179.3
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07:40:16 PM Jul 4th 2010
Umm, yeah, Wolfenstein 3-D? Seriously? A 1992 game whose only voice acting are glorified battle cries?
94.0.168.227
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12:46:05 PM May 25th 2010
edited by 94.9.179.3
I stopped watching the Pokémon anime roughly 10 years ago, what the FUCK is a "confluence of Dull Surprise and No Indoor Voice"? You can reinsert that when you tell me how they can apply at once.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:04:01 PM Sep 5th 2010
edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
Dull Surprise is the absence of expressed emotion. No Indoor Voice is to Chewing the Scenery what So Bad, It's Horrible is to So Bad, It's Good — the attempt to Emphasize EVERYTHING ends up emphasizing nothing very loudly.

So yes, they can coexist; and one of the key signs of No Indoor Voice, besides the obvious, is if it is coexisting with Dull Surprise.
OldManHoOh
12:40:31 PM Sep 16th 2010
edited by OldManHoOh
Dull Surprise is the lack of emotion in facial muscles, I assumed? That's what the trope description says. Also...emphasising... what?!
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:41:58 PM Feb 13th 2011
Okay, shouting really loudly is the vocal equivalent to allcaps.

If you don't have boldface or italics on your computer, you might use allcaps for emphasis. But if you write everything in allcaps, it might be an accident — you might just have left on capslock. Since allcaps is painful to look at at length, less is likely to sink in if you write everything that way than if you write nothing that way.

No Indoor Voice + Dull Surprise = typing with capslock on.
flamemario12
02:20:27 AM Aug 10th 2012
You can blame 4kids for giving out the license to PUSA. It never happen in the japanese version. At least for the voice acting.
OldManHoOh
08:48:40 AM Aug 10th 2012
I'm 94.0, by the way. I'm asking what it means as I'm unfamiliar with current seasons of Pokémon, Japanese or English language.

But anyway, I thought Pokémon USA handed out the license to 4Kids, then dubbed it in-house.
94.8.141.31
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07:55:01 AM Mar 20th 2010
edited by 94.8.141.31
On the Modern Warfare 2 example, I don't speak Japanese or watched subbed anime, but aren't there plenty of military characters (ergo heroes and villains) in anime?
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