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• Queen Latifah also performed an R&B rendition of the National Anthem on the first NFL game of the 2012 season, adding "spiritual" flavor and repeating the final line over and over. Doesn't help that while performing, she wore a Giants jersey with Peyton Manning's number instead of Eli's.

The comments on the video are largely positive, and it has more thumbs ups than thumbs downs. It seems like there is some unironic appreciation of this rendition.

It's Class of '99 cover of Another brick on the Wall really worth putting here? The song was a hit on the radio when it was released and people loved it despite Stanley's nearly unrecognizable voice, which seem like a deliberate choice..

What about the time Nick Canon tired to diss Eminem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-P85gWS0I

Should songs so bad that they become memes allowed on this page? This is what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgha9S39Y6M

I think we should keep an eye out for "Happy Ending" by Hopsin. Yes, he's a very divisive figure, but it looks like this song isn't even popular among his fans, with it being a 0.65 on Rate Your Music as of this, and the video has been taken down numerous times on You Tube.

So why exactly has no one mentioned the album from Corey Feldman (yes, the same Corey Feldman you're thinking of) known as Angelic 2 The Core (or Angelic 2 The Core: Angelic Funkadelic / Angelic Rockadelic as it's officially titled)? The album first began production back in 2006 (which might help explain some of the features like Fred Durst on here), but had to rely on an Indiegogo campaign to help finish the album properly (which was originally titled Elev8or 2 Ascension), which kind of shows on this project. Backed off of a live performance of Go 4 It! (which was supposed to feature Snoop Dogg, but the rapper performing there wasn't him) on a morning talk show of sorts that had... a mixed result, to put things lightly there (could also have been mentioned for horrible live performances, but that's a story for another day), Angelic 2 The Core tries to combine the sounds of funk with rock... as well as dubstep, jazz, and dance pop that sometimes sounds like it's from the 1990's, and the end result is just a pure mishmash that ultimately makes it sound confused on what it's trying to do (which doesn't help with the skits that it has also sounding like they're out of order). The guest performers on here (which in addition to Limp Bizkit's Fred Durst and Snoop Dogg also includes influential artists like Jon Carin, Nina Hagen, and Kurupt) don't really help save the songs either, as Corey Feldman on this album has some strange vocal ideas had on songs like We Wanted Change. The few reviews this album received were really negative, and most of the positive reviews it has on Amazon.com are more of a joking matter than anything else. For more information on how it sounds, Anthony Fantano has a 50 minute video on the album in question here.

Would "It's Everyday Bro" count or avoid this list entirely? While it has sold a lot on iTunes, it also has over 2M dislikes compared to 1M likes on You Tube. (For those who don't know - It's the infamous "England Is My City" song)

would this be fine to put here? does it need more flesh?

• Salvare98's cover of Kouon Chuu On'iki Test is absolutely terrible. The dude is tone deaf, failing at even the easiest parts of the song. And he has an annoying nasally voice that will grate on your ears.

I have good news - Someone has found Prit Stik's only album, Murder In The Recording Studio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XojtLXuMRgU Here's the album link. If you want to list it, go ahead.

Would the album, "Thrash or Die" by Poser Holocaust count. It's pretty infamous on Metal Archives with a score of 0% and little recognition else where. While I haven't listened to it yet, It's said to suffer from generic party lyrics, super obnoxious vocals, weak repetitive riffs repeated throughout the album, production values that rival Norwegian Black Metal (which records low-fi as part of its aesthetic and usually has decent writing), and sounding generally dated. Here's a link to the reviews https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Thrash_or_Die/Poser_Holocaust/307982 I'm also deleting a few examples that I feel don't count (see earlier text for more info).

I removed the entry on Charlene's "I've Never Been to Me". The lede says that if the song is a radio hit, it probably isn't horrible. The song hit #3 on the Hot 100 and topped the charts of several other countries. Uploads of the song on YouTube have mostly positive ratings.

I do not believe that Billy Joel's old band Attila or their self-titled album *quite* qualify for this most dubious of honours, if only because the LP has its strident defenders and is recognised in some circles as one of the progenitors of modern heavy metal. Erlewine's rabid invective also oversells how oversaturated the organ is—the melodies are perfectly distinguishable, and the tone is easily matched by the likes of John Cale on The Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray".

My personal opinion? It's kinda run-of-the-mill as far as songwriting goes, but the sound is unique if repetitive and there are some good riffs in there. It's worth a listen if you're curious about old heavy music or like loud, nasty organ soloing.

P.S. Also, whoever wrote that entry is hella pretentious. I mean, it sounds like a prog snob describing Half Japanese or Wolf Eyes or something.

There's a few examples I feel don't fit at all. First, that Automan.ca performance does have supporters and positive comments. The problem was mostly that the band was ill-fitted for that audience and Dream Theater is really awesome.

Second, Suicide Silence's cover of "Them Bones" was definitely exaggerated in its entry. It's in the band's usual deathcore style and doesn't sound much worse than their usual output (the band themselves aren't usually horrible by their style's standards). It also has more likes than dislikes.

Third, the Guitar Hero cover of Killing in the Name" isn't that bad (it sounds a lot like the original's radio edit). The entry pretty much says that replacing the profanity near the end ruined the cover (that doesn't even make any sense).

I still think the Terminator game example doesn't count. It' shows minimalism as opposed to outright laziness and has multiple times more likes than dislikes.

I agree that the "Jack's Obsession" cover doesn't count ...

What do you guys think? Should this album be added to the page?

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I really do not believe that "Jedi Rocks" belongs here. Say what you want about the song itself, but there isn't anything technically wrong with it, and it does have its occasional defenders. Just because something has a very loud Hatedom doesn't make it So Bad Its Horrible. There's a reason that Johnny Test isn't listed on the Western Animation page, for example, in spite of its many faults. Really, the whole entry comes across as the work of a biased, whiny nostalgia-freak more than anything else. We don't tolerate those kinds of people on this site

I'm removing 4Kids' One Piece dub theme for now. As unfitting as it is, there isn't anything technically wrong with it, at the very least it is so bad it's good. Even the comments on the various uploads of the theme on Youtube seem to either think it's not that bad or so bad it's good. It's just GROSSLY unfitting for One Piece. Had it been for some other pirate show, it might have fit a little better though

Should we add Jacob Sartorius to the list of singers?

Does anyone know if the below example is from a bad recording/worn out VHS tape or if it's meant to sound like that? Seems a bit weird to me, and apart from a wiki that I'm not going to assume is reliable, I can't find much about it.

• The theme accompanying the Class Video logo. The melody seems to be quite okay, but there are very long pauses and there is no regard for the dynamics at all. Hearing this makes you feel as if the music is still loading instead of being a musical piece on its own, making the line between music and random sounds blurrier than its almost pixelated background.

The One Piece dub theme does not belong here. Yes it's unfitting but a look at the comments and even the YMMV page on One Piece show that it has fans (mainly a so bad it's good fanbase). Should we really place a song that has fanbase albeit a so bad it's good one? Plus from a production standpoint, the beat is great and does have a fun vibe.

I know the song might be slightly infamous but I don't think the Terminator stage theme under soundtracks is that bad. It might be a little monotonous but it's kinda catchy and shows more minimalism as opposed to laziness. Also the linked video has more than 5 times more likes than dislikes. I think that disqualifies it.

I found this 869 guy while browsing through my PC archive. He had a website where he hosted his stuff. Do you think he's worthy of this section?

For the Van Halen one, I'd say add more info on why it sucks, other than the singer. Van Halen has several members afterall. Fine for critical reviews, just explain why the album sucks a little more

I added Sega Smash Pack to the OST section. Does it belong on this page due to it's butchered renditions of classic Sega Genesis tunes that make Sonic Genesis GBA sound like the real thing?

The link to "We're at the party" is dead, shall we delete it?

• The Nightmare Revisited album contains some kickass remixes of the movie's original soundtrack... except for "Jack's Obsession", which was covered by Sparklehorse (by no means a bad band). Not only does it not match the mood of the album at all, but Mark Linkous sounds unusually tone-deaf as well. Listen at your own risk.

I do not think this example belongs here. It is performed in the band's usual style and the only reason why it is disliked so much is because its lo-fi indie-pop style does not fit on the soundtrack. Yet it was added back anyway because "just because it's performed in the band's usual style doesn't mean it's always good". I simply disagree with this example being here.

Dunno what your thoughts are on crappy foreign-language songs, but I found one in form of a "Sri Lanka Api Thamai", a Cricket World Cup theme song from Dialog (a cell phone company in Sri Lanka). Even Sri Lankans are not defending the song for having awful lyrics, a cheap-looking music video that has little to do with its cricket theme, plotless instrumentals, and rambling pace that doesn't get anywhere.

Here is the link to the song if you want to see just how many people in Sri Lanka hated the original song (a remix has since been released, one that has gotten a much better reception).

"“Greatest Songs of the Pop-Rock-Alternative-Garage Era” is one of the absolute WORST lists of the 'best' music you'll ever see, and their worst list is even worse than that. The lists seems to be written by the most xenophobic European person ever, as they constantly sing the praises of any artist from the U.K. while bashing any artist from North America they come across, including but not limited to Aerosmith, the Beastie Boys, Eminem, the Eagles, the Jackson 5, Billy Joel, Huey Lewis, Madonna, Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Tom Petty (they also list songs usually considered the artists best on this worst list). Meanwhile, on the 'best' list, songs like "I'm Too Sexy" and "I Eat Cannibals" are apparently some of the greatest songs ever, as are 125 Beatles songs (they aren't even listed, so they could literally be ANY Beatles songs, even some of the ones even fans can't stand) and 33 songs by the Cure, both of which are great bands but certainly don't deserve THAT many spots on a best-of list; there also seems to be some Critical Research Failure here as he says every song by the Cure was banned on American airwaves, yet you can hear most of those songs on any station that plays 80s music. In fact, a lot of claims the author makes on which songs are banned are incredibly misinformed and only add to the sneaking suspicion that this person just has an incredible hatred of North American music. The worst part may very well be the fat joke the author makes about the girls of Heart while bashing their music, or maybe the fact that it calls itself the DEFINITIVE 'best music' list. Music Magazines and Books

AOL Radio's "100 Worst Songs Ever" list. To wit: Each song's passage about it is completely uninformative and nondescriptive (For example, the whole piece on "This Is Why I'm Hot" by MIMS is, "First off, he repeats 'This is why I'm hot' too much. Second, he repeats 'This is why I'm hot' too much."); The list is larded with several songs that are totally questionable ("U Can't Touch This"? "Walk The Dinosaur"? "Everybody (Backstreet's Back!)"?) and ridiculous novelty songs ("The Fast Food Song", "Disco Duck", "Convoy", "The Macarena") culled just for the sake of padding; The author completely lets his preferences for Queen, Rick James, Stevie Wonder and Joan Jett shine through in certain passages; The author totally misinterprets the story in "Tie A Yellow Ribbon 'Round The Ole Oak Tree" (it's about a prisoner returning home, not a soldier!); The song at the top of the list is DJ Pauly D's "(It's Time To) Beat Dat Beat", a clear indication that the list was sloppily and cynically assembled with a single, lousy purpose in mind."

Both of these sound to me like Complaining About Shows You Dont Like (valid though some of the criticisms listed may be). I'm thinking they should probably be removed. Would anybody agree/disagree?

Does the Nelly Furtado example really count? Not only do I find it somewhat decent, the article lists the most Horrible part of the song being a pitched-up version that has more dislikes than likes. That'd be like putting a "Chipmunk" version of another song simply because it doesn't sound as good as the original.

Ladies and gentlemen, Autry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0fvUgvvQg

Does Kim Zolciak's "Tardy for the Party" really count? I dislike The Real Housewives of X series myself, but I personally find the song catchy in a So Bad, It's Good way. It's also the theme song to her show Don't Be Tardy..., which must mean it has supporters.

I actually don't think the Ride album featured on here is that bad. Mediocre, but not horrible. I'm going to dummy it out.

Is the "The World's Worst Cover Band" a Stealth Parody? The title sure sounds like one. If it is then remove it.

Thoughts on Avril Lavigne's "Hello Kitty"? Accusations about the music video being racist aside, the song has received horrid reviews from critics and audiences alike. Moreover, Avril's fanbase and Vice concur that this song is the worst put out to the public by her.

Does Kid Rock's "Warrior" video really qualify? The video has a lot more likes than dislikes, and there are mostly positive comments.

There's a few entries I think should go. First is London Kaleb. While I don't want to listen to him (I generally dislike the current Dance Pop scene), his page (which was linked) has nothing but positive comments. That means he probably has enough support to be removed.

Second, I don't think the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (NES) soundtrack counts either. The page linked has almost as many positive comments as negative ones. I heard it and it's main problem is the soundtrack was too complex and experimental for the NES (resulting in Avant-Garde tracks).

Finally 'Visons' byAbnormality isn't that bad for Brutal Death Metal and has plenty of supporters. The demo it was featured on has positive reviews as well and it doubles as That One Boss in game. Hatedom doesn't equal this trope, and I never want to see it return.

I think I'll add Kidz Bop Sings The Beatles on this page. Everyone hates this album. If you don't believe me, search for the covers on youtube and take a look at the dislikes and comments.

Does Barnyard Beatles even exist? I couldn't find that cd anywhere on the internet.

Up for discussion:

• Morbid Angel's 2011 album Illud Divinum Insanus has quickly become famous for this among the metal community. It features a legendary death metal band making a piss-poor attempt at '90s industrial, with most of the tracks sounding like they were salvaged from the bottom of Rob Zombie's trash can a decade earlier and stored in a compost heap until they were ready to go on the album. Then there's the horrendous production, the astoundingly terrible lyrics and the equally terrible vocal performance of David Vincent, and the fact that the songs that don't sound like Rob Zombie/Marilyn Manson ripoffs are, among other things, Lamb of God-aping groove (10 More Dead), Black Label Society-aping buttrock (I Am Morbid), The Berzerker-aping industrial grind (Mea Culpa), and, at the very best, shitty death metal far below their standards (Nevermore, Existo Vulgore, Beauty Meets Beast, Blades for Baal). Occasionally you'll find someone who argues that the album is So Bad, It's Good, but the only ones who seem to think it's actually good are the band themselves, who defended it every bit as vehemently when it came out as Cryptopsy did for the above entry.

I don't think it fits here. It's far too well-recieved. A quick look through the Reception part of the Wikipedia page alone yields enough favorable-to-middling reviews. The page itself says "mixed reviews."
Also, going by Metal-Archives— 38% based on 29 reviews; to compare, Perverse Recollections of a Necromangler had 13% based on 21 reviews. On Discogs, the master release page has 2.81 out of five based on 90 votes.
In short, it would seem this is a very divisive album, rather than a simply bad one. While it does have its detractors, and they are numerous, it's still not bad enough to be here.

Who added Visions by Abnormality? It's actually not bad for Brutal Death Metal and Abnormality has good reviews under their belt. 'Yes We Can' by Made In Mexico (a normally decent Noise Rock group) is way worse (repetitive, obnoxious and not indicative of the band's style)and that got removed too. Some people ...

The Milli Vanilli concert in Bristol, Connecticut, anyone? Not only was this an egregious case of lip-syncing, this was also the moment the performers were caught as fakes... on MTV, no less. I think it should be put up on the performances tab of this page, but if anyone objects let me know.

Here's the video catching them lip-sync and quit on the performance, if you're interested.

Why are the soundtracks for video games? Can't movies have bad soundtracks too?

I have no clue WHY the soundtrack from the already-horrible 2004 pirated Sega Genesis game (yes, a 2004 Sega Genesis game) CrazyBus (no relation to the song from Arthur) is not included in the "Soundtracks" section. The music sounds generated at random, it has no beat or rhythm to it at ALL, it's incredibly loud, and worst of all, it's a large Ear Worm. Here's the music and some gameplay.

A number of months ago someone mentioned possibly adding a "classical music" section full of composers or compositions generally considered horrible. The response was that generally bad works do not get passed through Oral Tradition and the existence of the Nostalgia Filter, etc. etc....

After some thinking 2 things occurred to me: 1.) The whole idea of the existence of these pages is the recognition of terrible works. If terrible works do not get passed down through oral tradition, then what is it that we are really doing here? Has it always been part of human nature to recognize the ugly, or has it only recently become a modern fad with the rise of internet critics and the like? I think it's always been a thing and that if you search hard enough you could find something out there which has, for whatever reason, been preserved. 2.) The addition of Daniel Smith proves that, yes, interpretation and poor instrumentation can wildly affect how it sounds. Thus showing the equality between popular music and classical music. However, there seems to be a huge number of inclusions in popular music, and not quite a whole lot of the classical stuff. I want to start compiling some of the bad classical recordings/ performances that are out there, because trust me, there's a boatload of them.

A song from an NES video game based on Bram Stoker's Dracula is on this list under Soundtracks, but when I checked out the You Tube video to listen to it, I found a lot of comments saying the song wasn't really that bad. It made me wonder if the song is objectively SBIH ebough to belong on the page, or if it's too YMMV for it. Personally, I think the song is annoying, but not quite Horrible. Still, I would like some other tropers' input on whether or not it deserves to be on this page.

Song - "I just called to say I love you" by Stevie Wonder.

Just because.

Do Alanis Morissette's pre-JLP albums count as So Bad it's Horrible? They seem to be more of a mixed bag. People who don't just leave one word pejoratives on the youtube videos seem to like the Paula Abdul-esque dance pop she was making at the time, and it doesn't even qualify as an old shame since Alanis said that she wasn't really embarrassed about their existence. In her words, "...I'm not scared people might hear these records. I never did Playboy centrefolds. There's nothing I regret. Maybe people will just understand that my lyrics are from different experiences if they hear those records. It validates [Jagged Little Pill] ... There was an element of me not being who I really was at the time and I'm now more experienced with my life. It was because I wasn't prepared to open up that way. The focus for me then was entertaining people and getting my feet wet in the business, it was about being young & having fun as opposed to sharing any revelations I had at the time. I had them, but I wasn't prepared or comfortable with sharing it." So, what then?

Just a thought: Rule 4: If you heard it on the radio, however briefly, the odds are very good that it is not horrible. What if it's on some sort of 'worst songs ever' list?

Do the remixes really count. I mean sure they're amateur but definitely not the worst thing I've ever heard (I've heard worse on the radio such as the current Dance Pop scene). Although I probably would agree on the one involving Kesha if only because of bias against her music. Remixes tend to be either good or mediocre or bad. Surgeons Law especially applies to them (like Fan fiction).

We're looking for the worst of the worst and not mediocre. The My Little Pony example definitely sounds more lazy than bad. Tell me if you think we should ditch that folder.

I deleted the Joe Pesci example. If anyone thinks it belongs, feel free to share your feelings.

Has anyone here heard of Billy Joel's old music project called Atilla? Considering the man himself called the music "psychedelic bullshit", and that it has a one star rating on allmusic, i think it counts for SBIH status. The music itself is basically a white noise of distorted organs and barely-there drums. Here's a listen.

I am going to add Blood on the Dance Floor (the BAND, NOT the Michael Jackson song) to the list. However, before I did so, I figure I'd make my case here.

• Firstly, the band is critically maligned. See here, here, here, and here. I should note that some of these are user/contributor reviews, while some are staff. However, they all seem to have pretty good critical credentials. There's plenty more where that came from, too - I couldn't find any positive critical reviews.
• They don't sell very well. Neither of their first two albums (Let's Start a Riot, It's Hard to Be A Diamond in a Rhinestone World) charted at all. EPIC did make it to 5 on the Dance, and 12 on the Heatseekers, but All the Rage charted fairly lower than that. The only quasi-successful album they've had is their most recent - Evolution, which did make it to 1 on the Dance charts, and 42 on the main charts. HOWEVER, it should be noted that they only had any sort of success starting in 2010 - which was suspiciously very closely after the lead singer was accused of having sex with several underage girls (and by underage, I mean 12 to 14). I'm not sure how their singles have fared, though.
• It's true - the band does have fans. A quick search of their videos on youtube, and you'll find most high like/dislike rating. However, they still have quite a few people who hate them video reviewing, and flaming their videos. Then again, Brokencyde has fans, as did Alanis' old albums, and the song Spectacular mentioned in this article - which has similar lyrics to the average BOTDF song.
• They do NOT get radio airplay, due to their lyrics. Additionally, they haven't contributed to the formation of any music genre of movement.

Decide for yourself whether you feel the entry should be kept, and I certainly won't be heartbroken if it's taken down, but I'm putting it up for now.

Cut this and put it here for now. "So Bad You'll Laugh Your Pants Brown" is more So Bad, It's Good than So Bad Its Horrible.

• Paralysed, by Legendary Stardust Cowboy. Seriously, just listen to it. It has to be heard to be believed.
  • Oh fuck me, that's not even a joke. It sounds like it was recorded in a mental hospital and they used a guy suffering from Tourettes as the lead singer. Have extra pants ready; you'll laugh that hard.

How come, Rebecca Black Friday keeps getting deleted. It's known for being both a staple on recent "worst song ever" lists and being the most disliked video on You Tube. Not to mention the Wikipedia's article on it is nearly all backlash. Besides it's obnoxious, poorly written, and artless even by Pop "standards". Don't you dare say So Bad, It's Good, as it's niche is entirely composed of Trolls. Give me a reason its not at least as bad as the other examples.

So that way you guys stop edit warring this, Double Take's "Hot Problems" is causing quite a ruckus. I mean it does seem pretty bad, but anyone who wants to know what songs like these sound like when they're a train wreck, look no farther than Jenna Rose's "My Jeans". This just seems like a joke that's stirring up a lot of attention. Heck Rebecca Black doesn't qualify for this list, and she didn't really have a following that thought the song was a joke or "parody".

Whoops, sorry. Please ignore this.

Before anyone adds any Metallica examples again, I'd like to say all their stuff has a niche. Saint Anger might have a large hatedom but it has supporters like Mike Portnoy, and others find it So Bad, It's Good. Also Acoustic Metal was a mediocre bootleg but brough us the Tuesday's Gone cover and the rest is laughably bad. As for Lulu, it might be hated but it has a niche with the Advent Garde people and Metallica performed well on their tracks.

Please don't add any examples from that band.

Deleted this entry:

• Farrah Abraham's album My Teenage Dream Ended. The lyrics and dubstep-esque beats are insanely generic, and her autotuned voice does nothing but harm the songs. Upon the release of the last track on the album, "Finally Getting Up From Rock Bottom," pretty much every popular news source that wrote about the song called it "the worst song ever," The album was a massive flop and has a 1.5 (out of 5) rating on iTunes.

My Teenage Dream Ended actually has a bit of a cult following based on how unintentionally bizarre it is. If anything, it's So Bad, It's Good. Having heard it myself, I can attest to this; it's like The Shaggs on dubstep pills.

A suggestion for the music video section: Kid Rock's video for Warrior. This video was trashed for basically being a propaganda piece for the National Guard, with random shots of the military and a Big Lipped Alligator Moment with Dale Earnhardt Jr. in a race (which is never mentioned again nor does it relate to the song). The video was ever hated by the target audience (which only got play due to a deal with Screenvision to show it before movies).

"4. If you heard it on the radio, however briefly, the odds are very good that it is not horrible. "

So how does that explains entries like the "Papa Don't Preach" cover?

I'm considering taking down the Giegue Battle theme. While I will admit that it is more than a little irritating, I feel that the high-pitched ringing suits the tense atmosphere of the final battle well enough.

I would like to remove Yes We Can since all the other Guitar Hero songs were removes as they have fans. That song has its fans too.

Does Al Walser's song "I Can't Live Without You" belong here?

It was nominated for a Grammy for Best Dance Recording, but EDM fans absolutely hate the song. The general perception of the song is absolutely awful, even worse than Rebecca Black's "Friday."

Here's the song if you haven't heard it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJEdy301yVo

The only thing it has going for it is its Grammy nomination. Otherwise I would put it on the page in a heartbeat.

Can we re-instate Billy Idol's cover of The Velvet Underground's "Heroin"? I know I'm the one that removed it, but I'm really not sure how much Cyberpunk fans actually support the cover and how many think it's the worst track on the album.

Cut the article on Corporate America. I felt that while it wasn't a good Boston album, it wasn't a horrible album on it's own. And the fact that they haven't released a new album since is largely because of Brad Delp's suicide in 2007. Furthermore, Tom had been known to be involved in charities and other causes. This article felt a little too pissy and nit-picky about him bringing that to his music. Here's the article if anyone decides to put it back up.

• Boston were unfortunately never able to recapture the success of their self titled debut, however "Don't Look Back", "Third Stage" and "Walk On" have their fans. The majority, on the other hand, didn't like the darker style those albums took, so they released "Corporate America" in 2002, an attempt to mix the first album's style with some new elements, which is considered by even hardcore fans of the previous three albums to be a major disaster. All the songs are rushed, there are no inspiring riffs or solos or vocal melodies, the vocals are annoying and the lyrics are foolish propaganda. However, the album utterly tops itself when one reads the little "message" in the liner notes where Tom embarrasses himself (and the band) with his political agenda, providing links to environmental organizations and PETA. The album flopped and marked the downfall of the band, who haven't released another album since then, and since has ran out of print.

I'm not sure whether to edit the Daniel Smith section or downright remove it after doing the following research:

Yes, he's hated for his bassoon work and is generally considered to be unskilled with the instrument. However, he's known for being a fantastic music teacher and composer and has done work that has given him acclaim. Basically saying, as long as he isn't touching a bassoon, he's well-liked.

On the other hand, he seems insistent on playing the bassoon, even after being laughed out of nearly every orchestra he's auditioned for. His constant library of releases are all self-financed (he makes his money off of teaching college and from his compositions) and still have extremely negative reviews, with even the most lighthearted of classical and jazz fans finding his bassoon playing sleep-inducing.

So if we keep him here, would we keep him in the "musician" section? because that seems rather insulting to a person is a good musician, but a terrible bassoonist, or would we put him into a section for special cases? I say this because there's not a single album or song that's bad, it's the entire body of his bassoon work that's terrible.

Why is The Black Eyed Pea's Super Bowl Halftime Show removed?

Here it is before it was last deleted:

• There's a reason why The Black Eyed Peas' performance at Super Bowl XLV is considered by many to be the worst halftime show in Super Bowl history. The performance was riddled with terrible lip-synching of their songs that cut-off at random times. In the middle of the performance, Slash shows up out of nowhere to accompany Fergie covering "Sweet Child o' Mine," only for Fergie to sing completely off-key and ruin the Guns And Roses classic (in front of their legendary guitarist, no less.) And after that abortion, Usher shows up and fails to impersonate Michael Jackson as he performed "OMG" with Will.I.Am. Add the backup costumes that would embarrass fans of Tron Legacy and you got a performance many American Football fans pretend never happened.

So, what happened to Avril Lavigne's rendition of Chop Suey being on this page? I can't even find it in the history section.

Cutting this bit out of the covers section.

That awful cover of "Magic Carpet Ride" featured on the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack by a band called Bedlam.

That actually sounds decent, if not good. Can anyone explain how this could be considered an awful cover?

I'd like to propose a cut for the disco cover of Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven." It's not bad, much less bad enough to warrant its presence on this page. Honestly, as far as disco goes, this is actually pretty good. I'm actually surprised at how well "Heaven" has translated to disco, considering the write-up for it here. "Whole Lotta Love" works pretty cool as well.

Seriously, as a disco tune, this isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Trust me, there's much worse than this within the genre. As a cover, it's pretty interesting and it's blatantly obvious they weren't trying to emulate the original anyways.

It seems to be on here because a fan of rock who likely doesn't enjoy disco to begin with was just that offended at the gall of someone doing a cover of a Zeppelin song in a genre like disco.

While I do not contest the Countdown Singers (and only them under that name, sans what's blatantly their stuff under the Starlite name), I do contest the entry for "Anime", by Soulja Boy. I, along with quite a few others, consider it So Bad, It's Good, rather than the opposite. Obviously there are people that don't share this opinion, but there are fans of the song, if only for it's SBIG qualities.

Added Savage... Since all he has is on a My Space page, you guys should comment on him here, I'm interested in seeing reactions. It's pretty bad shit.

Added the disco cover to Stairway To Heaven. If someone could do some quick research for me, as I have been unable to find any actual fanbase for this song other than people who go around hunting for rare L Ps (the Vinyl for this is quite rare and valuable) and as far as I can tell, that doesn't really count.

I kinda like the instrumentation of Graveyard Shift. What's wrong with me!?!

I got rid of this:

• Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Fuck, The Retarded Girl. If you think Lou Reed's metal machine music was unlistenable, you'll be crying for that hour long recording of guitar feedback back when you listen to this. Pure, utter noise in it's most uncomfortable form. This is the way all of their music sounds, and one of their tracks is notorious for including commentary on a couple having sex with a miniature stallion. Sweet dreams, kiddies.

Reason: The same reason that I eventually retracted my statement towards Red SK. There is a niche for that kind of thing, coincidentally, it's the same niche as Red SK. I never thought I'd be defending Trashfuck Net, but for goodness sake, that kind of thing, (the Noise equivalent of Three Chords and the Truth) while obnoxious, pretentious, and unwilling to admit shortcomings, has a genuine fanbase: It has caught on with people who have developed an interest, but not a familiarity, with noise music. (I say this having once been a part of this specific niche myself, I still can't believe I almost bought a copy of Pulse Demon). Long story short, it might be bad, but shrugging it off as god-awful is a little on the harsh side, no?

Cut this and put it here. Is it worse than the original?

This could be filed under Fridge Horror, given proper exposition. But not here. If it would be good if only you didn't know English...

• This atrocious cover of Linkin Park's "Faint". It's a good cover on its own, but when you add in the lyrics it suddenly becomes Horrible.

Just wanted to say thank you guys for not adding the Metallica/ Lou Reed collaboration, Lulu. There are supporters of the album out there and I was afraid after the critical bashing it had that someone was going to add it to this list.

Removing this entry since it's disputed & getting nattered up:

• OK, a lot of people hated Metallica's St. Anger, but even that sounds good compared to Acoustic Metal. Most Metallica songs, because they are metal, sound terrible on acoustic guitar. Many of the tracks of Acoustic Metal were done live on what appears to be a radio show, leading to inappropriate talking and blabber covering the music; this talking ruins "Low Man's Lyric," which would otherwise be tolerable. On top of all that, the selection of tracks is pathetic. The only remotely well-known song is "The Four Horsemen". One track is a medley of "Last Caress" and "Fade to Black", and the next track is a continuation of "Fade to Black", which is a failure of sequencing. To make things worse, most of the songs go on far too long; guitar solos don't work as well on acoustic guitar, either.
  • Ahem... Not quite, sir. Just for the "record": 1) It was a bootleg album (that never came out oficially for that matter), 2) It was a radio session and 3) The setlist was an attempt to promote their latest (at that time) albums, the "Load" series. Conclusion: The band had no damn obligation to build that acoustic session with a "greatest hits" setlist and make it sound like a magnum opus. St Wanker, on the other hand was a studio release, so it WAS supposed to come out good because they were getting some sale profit, but we all know how it ended...
    • Besides, you have John Popper, Les Claypool from Primus , Pepper Keenan and Jerry Cantrell as guests, what the hell do you mean it's not awesome?
    • Oh, and just one final note: they never took said session seriously. You can clearly hear them making jokes halfway through a song, and all members mocking at each other. And why make heavy metal sound like a joke? Because it's fun, what else?

I suggest removing Results May Vary. Even though it has the 3rd lowest score on Metacritic, it reached the top five upon release and has since sold a million copies in the US alone. This means that it must have some fans.

I'm pretty sure the main page was cut by mistake.

Cut the Martina McBride song "Let's Hear It For The Girls." It was apparently listed solely for the lyrics of the second verse. That makes it sound like a cover from American Idol or an advertisement might be fine if they can get a singer of her caliber (they often cut verses), and thus that can't be right.

Would it be too harsh to list Tim Buckley's Look At The Fool? It's almost universally critically panned, the album hasn't sold that well, even after Tim became a Cult Classic, and the music is pretty wretched. But it was Tim's last album before his death, and it's more depressing than it is aggravating, so I don't want it to be a distasteful addition to the list. Any thoughts?

I support cutting Lil Wayne's Rebirth from this page. If this was three months or so ago, I would have definitely supported it being here. But it's been a year since its release and...wait for it...it's still selling. It's currently #86 on the Rhapsody album charts, beating perennial favorites such as Taylor Swift's Fearless and Usher's Confessions. The fact that many people are still listening to it (judging by the # of Rhapsody's subscribers, this must be a huge number) suggests that only the critics and Weezy's fanbase think the album is that horrible.

Is anyone under the impression that the I Spy game suffers more from annoying and obnoxious instrumentation rather than poor composition? I feel that the melodies would work if the composer didn't just such annoying sounding instruments. Also, it says it's nonglitchy, but if you listen closely the music slowly becomes more and more out of tune as it buzzes along. Not saying it's not horrible, i'm saying the reasons stated are not the reasons why.

Removed this entry until someone can explain to me otherwise:

Sound Engineers

• Mastering technician Vlado Meller has become the target of much bile over fronting the Record of Loudness War. He regularly brickwalls perfectly good albums, thoroughly compressing them and robbing them of dynamics, just for the sake of volume. This is made worse by the fact that he has become incredibly popular and has thus mauled works by such artists as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Gorillaz, and Kanye West. Fans of these, and many others, are often advised to search for versions of the album that Meller hasn't touched...if they exist.
• Ted Jensen and Rick Rubin, responsible for brickwalling to death Metallica's Death Magnetic and other albums.
• Another regular contributor to the Loudness War: Howie Weinberg.

Not to say that the loudness war isn't horrible, or that the recordings done by these engineers don't cause severe clipping, or that musicians tend to avoid them for their brickwalling habits, but you're forgetting one thing. This production is not stopping the albums from selling (audiophiles aside). I mean you get the people that it actually bothers, but that number of people is actually kinda low compared to how much albums do sell. And while you will occasionally find copies of these albums returned, it tends to be the really observant people that actually notice and get bothered by it. Anyone else got anything to say?

Deleted this and put it here for now:

• On a similar note there's Kyle Dennis, one-half of Snuff Budgies and drummer for New Miracle Force. His work as Fuck, The Retarded Girl did the same with Harsh Noise, making an already challenging genre of music absolutely unbearable and throwing liberal amounts of shock value (NSFW) in for good measure.
  • Now available on vinyl. Yes, they were issued that way. No, we probably couldn't tell if they weren't.

Reason: It sounds no different than other harsh noise. As a matter of fact, it actually tries to be more coherent than most harsh noise by containing a message of some sort. Trying to place this here just because it's offensive breaks rule set by the important note listed at the top. If you really think that this stuff is just spat out of a keyboard randomly, and therefore label it horrible, then basically every abstract random experimental artist should be listed here. Trust me, this may sound messy, but Harsh Noise is not supposed to hold any standards. Trying to place here because it lacks standards is really contradictory to the purpose of the genre. Therefore, it does not qualify for this list.

I'm sorry, I hate to nix a specific target, but we've got the signs of an Edit War close at hand:
"Whip My Hair" DOES NOT QUALIFY.
The song was a modest success on the charts, fitting well within the Top 50 and at one point, just a position or two away from the top 25. To this day, it is within the top 70, just a few positions down from Chris Brown.
Please... stop labeling songs you hate So Bad It's Horrible. We are not the Complaining About Shows You Dont Like section. Don't act like we are.
From now on, if you're gonna contest it, contest it here, not on the main entry.

Just wondering, but shouldn't some of the albums be labeled as Discontinuity and not So Bad Its Horrible? It would help clean up the list quite a bit.

Note: IMO, The Who were lousy in their Super Bowl halftime show. It wasn't all their fault — the audio levels seemed to be off. But this was genuinely painful to listen to. Key and sync were both misplaced.

Let's put it this way: only a few days after this show, The Who announced that they were going to stop touring. I believe that it wasn't a coincidence.

Les Claypool? Pepper Keenan? Jerry Cantrell?

Was Acoustic Metal the same session from where they slapped that "Tuesday's Gone" cover on Garage Days Revisited?

Okay, how many people saw Christina Aguilera attempt "The Star-Spangled Banner" on Super Bowl XLV?

How does that compare to her other attempt at this song? (To you, natch. It was granted with stony silence in Afghanistan, and the football players started goofing off near the end...)

Did she get the verse wrong the other time? She just sang the first verse at the Super Bowl. She shouldn't have had to wing the lyrics.

She did have volume, and modern styles of pop are making it hard to determine what's a deliberate interpretation and what's simply offkey. <sigh>

I don't know if it's bad enough, but I do know it wasn't good.

ETA for asking a question whose answer should be obvious.

Took this out:

• Nastradamus, by Nas. While Nas is widely considered one of the greatest rappers to ever live, even his most die-hard fans have a hard time defending this one. The rapping was lazy and uninspired, the beats were lackluster, most of the hooks involved Nas singing horribly off-key, and nearly all of the songs just plain sucked. "Shoot 'Em Up" was sung in the style of Christmas carols, and "You Owe Me" and "Big Girl" were equally atrocious, especially coming from the guy who made "Black Girl Lost": The former involved Nas demanding head from a girl for buying her jewelry (and in one lyric in Geniune's hook, compared her to a slave), and the latter featured Nas expressing his excitement that his underage girlfriend was "all grown up", so he could legally bang her. Only one song - "Project Windows" with Ron Isley - was widely considered good, and it took Stillmatic's release two years later for Nas to wash the bad taste out of peoples' mouths.

For several reasons:

1) As noted by The Other Wiki, this CD reached #7 on the Billboard Top 100 and #2 on the list of Top U.S. Hip-Hop/Rap albums - considerable commercial success. 2) It has two singles ("Nastradamus" and "You Owe Me") that charted on Billboard and did fairly well. Coupled with the posters claim that "Project Windows" was universally loved, that's a third of the album that was a critical success. Nowhere near the total failure it's made out to be. 3) Reviews for the CD are generally mixed. Pop Matters gave it a faintly good review, while Metacritic responses are mixed (at 59 percent).

Why is Kidz Bop still listed if sales is a factor in its listing on the page? 8 titles in the series have gone gold.

Cut:

• Italian song "Tu vuò fà l'americano" (Neapolitan for "You pretend to be American") got recently covered up by Australian duo Yolanda Be Cool. Synthesizeritis and Adaptation Decay don't even begin to describe it - they absolutely raped the song beyond recognition, to the point "Pappà l'americano" is pretty much the only line in it. For the sake of comparison: wall, meet head original, meet doppelganger.

The Other Wiki says that a critics say that at worst its a repetitive and formulaic house track and Discogs.com clocks the rating to be slightly less than 3/5 based on 84 votes. Its a bland and shallow dance remix, but almost every dance remix loses any depth the original had.