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Larkmarn
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12:25:18 PM Jul 18th 2014
edited by 156.33.241.3
Proposing dads:

  • dads. Despite the popularity of Seth Green and Brenda Song, this 2013 series filmed before a Studio Audience was a huge flop. Everyone in the series overacts horribly (leaving space between shouted lines for the canned laughter). Jokes were impressively weak, and multiple characters are simply one-note characters repeating the same jokes (Eli is small, his father's a crotchety miserly Jew, Edna's hispanic, etc). IMDB gave the series a user rating of 5.5, but Metacritic is at 1.5 for critics, and 3.8 for users. The series was cancelled before the first season finished, and while later episodes were eventually aired online, fan response was so nonexistent that news of such things weren't posted on the episode listing on The Other Wiki or IMDB for weeks.
SeptimusHeap
12:53:58 PM Jul 18th 2014
Seems fine for me.
Buscemi
01:38:20 AM Jul 24th 2014
A 5.5 IMDb isn't all that bad. Though critics hated it, the audience rating seems to suggest that it is So Okay, It's Average. Also, the ratings were about average for Fox the season it aired (and it came very close to getting a second season).

As for the jokes, humor is subjective. The Big Bang Theory and 2 Broke Girls have similar stale jokes but they are rather popular. In short, it probably doesn't belong (and didn't the show supposedly get better after the pilot?).
KuroKokoro
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07:25:50 PM Jul 2nd 2014
Should we add Marvin Marvin? I have heard nothing good about it.
SeptimusHeap
11:59:20 PM Jul 2nd 2014
You'll need more detail before we can add that.
supernintendo128
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01:34:23 PM Jun 17th 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
I now propose AwesomenessTV. The show has a 4.1 rating on IMDb and a 1 rating on TV.com with the vast majority of reviews negitive and with ratings never surpassing 2 million views.

My entry:

AwesomenessTV, if you haven't heard of it (and no one blames you if you didn't), is basically a skit show based on a YouTube channel. Because Nick taking videos from the internet and turning them into shows worked so well in the past. The skits are terrible, the characters are annoying and stereotypical, the acting is bad, and the jokes are stupid and dated. They also bring in guest hosts from like Smosh or Cody Simpson in a desperate and pitiful attempt to boost ratings. Despite poor ratings, Nickelodeon thought that it would be a good idea to give the show a second season and the "Terry the Tomboy" skit it's OWN MOVIE.
Idisagree
12:00:04 PM Jun 20th 2014
That sounds like a candidate.
supernintendo128
06:02:21 PM Jun 21st 2014
So I guess I'll add it then.
supernintendo128
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11:07:47 AM Apr 21st 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
I propose Fred The Show. It has 2.1 on IMDb, 2.7 on TV.com, 1 star on Common Sense Media, and ratings declined since the 8th episode.
Idisagree
05:37:46 PM May 13th 2014
Sure, all you need to do is explain the show's flaws (which shouldn't be too hard given the topic). I also believe "Fred: The Movie" counts as well. I admit there are people who see Fred's web series as So Bad, It's Good but his Nickelodean appearances are considered terrible.
supernintendo128
08:16:49 PM May 23rd 2014
I just discovered that Fred: The Movie was on here some time ago but was moved to film, which was in turn cut because it turns out it was successful in the US dispite being panned by critics. So the argument is that do the Fred films and TV series belong here?
Idisagree
12:01:41 PM Jun 20th 2014
They've got the scorn but need an entry on why they count and how they're worse than the web series.
KuroKokoro
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10:54:13 AM Apr 11th 2014
should we add Out of Jimmy's Head?
supernintendo128
02:00:31 PM Apr 14th 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
Let's see... It has a 2.1 star rating on IMDb with mostly negative reviews, a 3.2 rating on TV.com, and it didn't get renewed for a second season so it must've had bad ratings. Looks like it belongs here to me. I would write an entry for it, but I can't find episodes anywhere expect on DVD and I don't feel like buying the DVDs. Someone else is gonna have to write it.
FromtheWordsofBR
05:23:36 PM Apr 17th 2014
edited by 75.161.177.110
One entry comin' up!

  • Out of Jimmy's Head has gone down in history as one of Cartoon Network's most hated original programs, and is considered responsible for the network's slew into live-action programming. The series, based off a CN original movie entitled Re-Animated, revolves around a teen named Jimmy Roberts, who is constantly taken advantage of his friends and others at school. One day, after he somehow gets hit by a train in a public location in a Walt Disney World expy, he has to have a brain transplant and it just so happens he has received the brain of the Walt Disney expy (Mitt Appleday), so now he inexplicably gains the power to see the cartoons Appleday created, and they help him through his everyday junior high life. Although it seems rather ridiculous, with the right amount of good execution (and also airing on a network such as, we don't know, Nickelodeon), it has a potential to be a series that could be good, but sadly, they took the wrong route. The acting is wooden, most of the characters are unlikable, the plots try to be unique but come off as bland, and there is a Laugh Track that is extremely overused and out-of-place. The series was canned after only 20 episodes, and gained a Periphery Hatedom the size of a giant mansion, "earning" a 2.1 IMDb rating and being never aired again on the network. Sadly, this show is probably what paved the way for other later live-action Cartoon Network series, including the aforementioned Dude, What Would Happen?.
supernintendo128
08:02:38 PM Apr 18th 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
Looks good to me. Add it. Except it's "He HAS received the brain of the Walt Disney expy", not "He IS".
warner14
03:35:50 AM Apr 21st 2014
I think there's a rule that mentions that a hatedom for a show isn't a good reason to add it here but aside from that detail, you can add it in.
FromtheWordsofBR
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04:18:08 PM Mar 24th 2014
Much like when Bad Dog! was removed from Western Animation, Co-Ed Fever's entry doesn't explain the content of the show itself that makes it bad enough to warrant a spot on here. It just talks about how it's a Follow the Leader series and that it was cancelled after only one episode.
SeptimusHeap
12:22:03 AM Mar 25th 2014
Yeah, that is a Zero-Context Example - removed it:
  • Co-Ed Fever was one of three 1979 "frat house" sitcoms trying to cash in on the popularity of Animal House; all 3 of them were off the air by April. What makes Co-Ed Fever so special is that it was so low rated that it never made it to its regular run time on Monday nights. Instead, it aired the night before as a "Special Preview". In 2002, TV Guide ranked it 32nd out of their 50 Worst Shows of All Time list.
darkrage6
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11:27:35 PM Feb 24th 2014
I have to ask, does "Dads" really deserve to be on this list?

Sure critics hated it, but it actually does have a fairly decent rating of 5.4 on IMDB, which is higher then any other show on this page. Also there do seem to be a decent amount of people that actually do like the show, at the very least it's not universally hated on the same level as a show like "Work It"

Plus there are rumors going around that it may actually get renewed, and if that does happen, it certainly wouldn't qualify to be on this page. Getting renewed would indicate that the show does have a fanbase of some sort, and really the ratings while not great are at about the same level as most other sitcoms.

Also the example for the show comes across as poorly written, just cause Macfarlane is an exec producer dosen't mean one should expect the show to have the same type of humor as Family Guy or one of Seth's other shows, as he didn't actually create or write "Dads". Also I disagree that the show is racist or offensive, I just don't get that accusation. True there are some racial jokes, but it's no worse then anything you've heard Carlos Mencia say in his stand-up.

I like the show and I for one hope that it does get renewed and that Almost Human deservedly gets cancelled.
romanatorX
05:04:58 PM Feb 25th 2014
Well, as much as this show is hated, people have also argued that the last 10 episodes showed a bit of stubble. It seems to have escaped "So Bad It's Horrible" and slid firmly into "mediocre" territory.

I'll second removal of this show from the list.
Furian1996
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10:17:39 AM Jan 3rd 2014
I have two questions:

  • Personally, I feel the description for Turn-On is too vague, as it does not adequately explain why it's SBIH. Should it stay on, or should it go?
  • Would Fred: the Show fall under So Bad, It's Horrible? I feel that it has gotten scathing reviews, and the show was canned after only one season.
tonagamu
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10:32:13 PM Dec 6th 2013
Just thought of something. If Emeril is considered a lost series, then how can it be proven as terrible? I mean, yes, it flopped on its ass and audiences and critics hated it... at the time the show aired that is. who is to say that that mentality hasn't changed in the last 12 years? With the series being impossible to find online, this entry presents itself as potential trouble.
Buscemi
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06:40:30 PM Nov 29th 2013
edited by 99.122.86.201
Though I am not defending Dads (as I've never watched it), there were actually a pair of logical reasons why it was given the back nine. First, the show does well with the 18-49 crowd (and its rating are actually about mid-range for the new series this season). And second, Fox has very little hope with its mid-season sitcoms (and had already stopped production on one of them). So it's less of a case of "What An Idiot" and more of Fox knowing there are people watching it.
RobbieRotten
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08:18:50 AM Oct 24th 2013
Could Fred The Movie qualfiy under TV Movies on here? It has a 2.1 on IMDB and a 0% on rotten tomatoes. True, it's out of very few reviews, but coupled with the other people who consider one of the worst things ever, makes it qualified IMO.
Idisagree
07:46:20 PM Nov 17th 2013
Well, I was questioning if it belongs myself. I personally find Fred to be annoying and over-exposed (I think his appearance on an iCarly episode was only decent because it portrayed the actor as a Magnificent Bastard). I've never seen the movie but it's got the scores and scorn to count. Of course the fact that they made a film out of a webshow that's So Bad, It's Good at best and has a massive Hatedom, is baffling.
RobbieRotten
07:52:59 AM Dec 3rd 2013
edited by 205.196.188.230
I'll put it in later and see how it goes. The imdb and RT scores are bad enough to qualfiy, i think.

Also, there is a good reason they made the movie: Money, Dear Boy
warner14
08:34:35 PM Dec 11th 2013
I was the one who put it there. I could put in under the Film section instead if that makes it any better.
RobbieRotten
05:58:03 AM Dec 12th 2013
Great, thanks.
warner14
02:55:15 PM Dec 12th 2013
You're welcome.
crazyrabbits
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01:15:03 AM Aug 11th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Took this out:

  • Buckwild, to put it simply it was like if you mix Jackass & Jersey Shore then set it in Charleston, West Virginia (to the point were it was nicknamed "Rednack Jersey Shore"), it got more criticism then Jersey Shore did, add the unfortunate impaction of depicting all southerner as slack-Jawed morons, but the most damming has to be the constant controversy & incidents, most notably; 2 cast members being getting arrested (Salwa "Bengali in Boots" Amin's drug related charges & Michael "Bluefoot" Burford' arrest for aggravated DUI), & Shain "Gandee Candy" Gandee's death after attempting to go "Mud Bogging" in the middle of night.

For one thing, half the example cites incidents that aren't part of the production itself. Secondly, from what information I've seen, public opinion is split down the middle on it. If it has a fanbase, it doesn't qualify. Just being criticized isn't enough, especially if the show is/was popular enough to warrant continued seasons. After all, it was successful enough in the ratings to warrant a second season.

The only reason it was canceled (that we know of, anyway) was because of the death of a main cast member.
sanfranman91
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06:56:57 PM Aug 5th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.43
TLC had a reality/gameshow competition show in 2008 called Master of Dance. Hosted by Joey Lawrence (currently on Melissa And Joey), the show featured ordinary people perform their moves to a wide variety of music. In each episode, five contestants are evaluated by a panel of three judges and were progressively eliminated until one is declared a winner and moved on into the Tournament of Champions. Unfortunately, the show has committed the following crimes:

  • The show reeked of No Budget production values.
  • The judges were horrendous and out of the three judges, only one (Tyce Diorio) was a person who still works as a professional choreographer and dancer. (The other two judges? A dancer-turned actress who was retired for over 18 years and a stand-up comedian.)
  • People who were extremely talented were the ones who got eliminated. To put this into context, one of the winners was an obese woman who did nothing but move around in circles, while an extremely talented breakdancer finished runners-up.
  • Extremely low-ratings meant no more than six episodes before TLC cancelled the show. It is an Old Shame for the network nowadays, as there is only one preview clip on its website and nothing else. Moreover, the show doesn't appear on the network's list of shows on The Other Wiki.
  • A lot of hatred can be found in boards, especially in its IMDb page and a board dedicated to reality shows.

So, Master Of Dance as an entry: Yay or Nay?
FromtheWordsofBR
03:14:10 PM Oct 9th 2013
The official rating of the show on IMDb is 3.0....it sounds like it qualifies.
xie323
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01:54:46 PM Jul 12th 2013
  • The Sci Fi Channel (now SyFy) made an "adaptation" of A Wizard of Earthsea that was blasted and disowned by Ursula K. Le Guin herself. The Sci-Fi production killed much of the subtle cultural stuff LeGuin had tried to put in her original work. Talk about wasting Isabella Rossellini. Worse, SyFy then used the fact that they had the American rights to produce Earthsea media to keep Studio Ghibli's Tales from Earthsea movie from coming out in America for some time (which eventually saw a limited theatrical release in August 2010).

I'm removing this, while the author and most fans of the novel series hated it. People who didn't read the book actually thought it was a decent or mediocre movie. It's IMDB is 5.6/10. So it's crap but it should be in Adaptation Decay instead of So Badits Horrible.
FromtheWordsofBR
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12:30:27 PM Jun 1st 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Another ratings issue—Superstar USA has a 6.7 rating on IMDb and the reviews for the soundtrack on iTunes are mostly positive. (NOTE: For some strange reason the soundtracks to the musicals Flower Drum Song and Oil City Symphony, as well as a compilation of spaghetti western tunes, are listed as being by them, even though they don't relate. And I can prove to you that they are not by them. I listened to a song from Flower Drum Song and it sounded genuinely good) And I've gone through a short Archive Binge of reviews of the show and they range from lots of positive to lots of negative.
FromtheWordsofBR
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01:29:36 PM May 1st 2013
edited by 75.168.205.139
Sorry for not making this a reply to the Incredible Crew-related post below, but...I don't like the show either. In my opinion, it has most of the aspects of being on this page (although admittedly I think "Running Errands with My Mom" is catchy, and the show has the high point of having Jeremy Shada in its cast). But it has a 5-star rating on iTunes, and so does the two online-only soundtracks. What should we do?
RobbieRotten
07:54:54 AM May 6th 2013
I say nix it. It's not that bad, and It doesn't have as of a hatdom as that other CN show we have on there. plus,, if it has a catchy song, it's an offical good moment.
FromtheWordsofBR
09:02:14 AM Jun 1st 2013
edited by 216.99.32.43
And, obviously, it can't stay if it's got a 5-star rating somewhere, which is WAY too high for So Bad, It's Horrible standards.
FromtheWordsofBR
06:50:27 PM Jun 19th 2013
I'm going to nix the Incredible Crew example. If anybody wants to put it back here it is:

Kif
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06:12:28 PM Jan 28th 2013
So. TV Series/Animorphs was deleted from here. I'd like to debate the reasons why. The show was actually not a career launcher for Shawn Ashmore; that can be credited to the X-Men movie. It did indeed last more than a season, but ratings were awful the entire time, so awful that it had to switch channels for the short-lived second season. And lastly... the show has a fanbase? Because I haven't talked to or even heard of a single person that liked it. I may be wrong, but I think it belongs here.
Kif
06:14:44 PM Jan 28th 2013
I have no idea what happened with the formatting up there when I tried to post a link to the series' TV Tropes page. My bad. :)
PropaneNightmare
03:47:50 PM Jan 30th 2013
First off, the VHS tapes star average on Amazon range from a 3.5/5 to a 4/5. It also has a 6.6/10 average on IMDB, WAY above our threshold. Ashmore only got noticed for X-Men because of it, and also just because "everyone I know hates it" doesn't mean it belongs here.

Also, I absolutely hated the show despite being one of its regular viewers (mainly because I read the books too), but I remember it was big back when I was growing up and it got several kids at my school reading the books.
Kif
04:53:48 PM Feb 1st 2013
The IBDM rating, while higher than most of what's on here, isn't too high - Superstar USA, for example, had a rating that was almost as high. You still haven't given me any evidence of a fanbase, nor any that Ashmore was noticed for X-Men because of Animorphs. (I certainly believe that the vast majority of audiences saw him for the first time on X-Men, although I'll admit that I have no real evidence of it.)

I assumed it wouldn't be a debate when I put the show on here. Perhaps you might be right, but I don't quite think so.
ABLb0y
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11:48:42 AM Jan 15th 2013
What about the American version of the Inbetweeners?

They took a popular British show and turned it into a cheap 'American Pie' rip-off, derailed the character of Jay (Turning him from a lovable sex maniac to an annoying douche-bag, obsessed with winning 'class clown') and used cheap sparkle effects whenever Will's mum or Charlotte Henchcliffe showed up to illustrate their attractiveness (Because, y'know, their appearance or other character's dialouge doesn't make it obvious enough...). Fortunately, it was canned after only ten episodes.
Kalle
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03:29:25 PM Jan 9th 2013
Incredible Crew has literally aired only TWO EPISODES. Can we at least wait for it to run whatever course it's going to run (and, you know, actual critical drubbing) before calling it a failure this early?
SuperSaiyaMan
03:15:45 PM Jan 21st 2013
Since everything points to no improvement. Poor ratings at its premier, its horrible jokes and everything? Its earned its place based on the premier alone.
KoriCongo
09:59:32 PM Jan 23rd 2013
edited by KoriCongo
I thought Incredible Crew was pretty good. And I like to see these...ratings you say.

EDIT: Just check. It earned over 1 million viewers. Your point is invalid.
KoriCongo
07:29:55 PM Jan 25th 2013
I'm working on the page. Anybody want to help? The show is awesome.
SamMax
10:43:46 AM Jan 28th 2013
I've never seen the show (and don't plan to), but I'd like to help in any way I can when there's time.
ferrarimanf355
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08:37:17 AM Nov 26th 2012
Folks, we may have to add Lindsey Lohan's alleged comeback vehicle, the Lifetime movie "Liz & Dick", to this list soon.

http://gawker.com/5963250/here-are-the-highlights-of-lindsay-lohans-atrocious-acting-in-liz--dick http://www.metacritic.com/tv/liz-dick/critic-reviews
sanfranman91
02:13:03 AM Jul 2nd 2013
Ratings disappointment, horrible Metacritic Critic score, and a pretty bad IMDb score (3.7 FYI). Hate to pound another nail in Lohan's coffin, but yeah, it qualifies.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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10:41:03 PM Aug 10th 2012
Okay, Studio 60 is bad. I am aware of this despite being one of the few regular viewers during the show's run. But there are two problems:
  1. The pilot of the show was considered good at the time, which is why it sneaked onto the schedule in the first place. We had better make a note about the Early-Installment Weirdness.
  2. "Nevada Day" (a two-part episode) had both an Emmy in a guest-actor's performance and an unofficially listed Awesome Moment from Jack Rudolph (the toothless hardboiled exec). Would that be enough to remove this show from this list?
polymath
04:03:54 PM Aug 13th 2012
(2) Emmy Awards are a bad gauge of quality, though, and the category for the win (guest actor) doesn't say much about the show, the script, or the reception of the episode at the time it was aired — which was not favourable. John Goodman is also a well-liked actor. I have no idea what the competition was the year that he won, but his win says very little about the show itself, only his acting within the parameters of the show and the rules of the category.

(1) The pilot did receive "good" reviews, but in the sense of "promising," not "unquestionably awesome" — and reviewers did note that the plot slowed down and things went to hell by the next episode. There was also criticism for the plagiarism in the teaser ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore"), the fact that the shots against TV (and reality TV) already seemed out of touch, and concerns about casting. (Amanda Peet and Matthew Perry were the biggest targets.) Much like "The Newsroom," reviewers noted that after a fairly good pilot episode that follows typical Sorkin structure (everyone "backstage" comes together in a crisis and kicks off a new wave of awesome) but that the following episodes failed to live up to the pilot (or, rather, that of the two ways the show could go after the pilot, it went further down the road of "totally out of touch" instead of clearing up its flaws). The fact that there was reference to a sketch called "Crazy Christians" was noted by reviewers as a bad omen.

The show received decent numbers for the first few episodes, but by the time of "The Wrap Party" and "YOUR LITTLE BROTHER IS STANDING IN A FIELD IN THE MIDDLE OF AFGHANISTAN," it was off the critical radar. I think it's worth listing because the show's core fanbase was made up of people who actively hated the show. In and of itself, that doesn't qualify for So Bad It's Awful Status, but I think these things DO:
  • That the show has been compared to fan fic and is listed as Fix Fic on this Wiki; the fact that Sorkin had to seek Chenowith's permission to write Harriet Hayes makes it uncomfortable from the start.
  • There's also the Rick Cleveland grudge being aired, some seven years after the initial fight.
  • Despite being dropped from the air in May/June 2007, the show still has a legacy on Twitter and is remembered as one of the most epic failures on TV. Unlike shows that sank without a trace (does anyone remember The Black Donnellys?), Studio 60 is remembered for its flaws. Hell, its cancellation was listed as a "Reason to Live" by Entertainment Weekly. (Ouch.)
  • Studio 60, to critics and to those who watched, wasn't just bad, it was impossibly bad — Sorkin had been criticized for flaws in his writing before, but this was the first time he had a high-profile flop, and because NBC wanted him back so badly, he wasn't subjected to editing and it was his fingerprints all over the wreck, so there was no way to hide. The fact that the show contained numerous insults to critics, his audience, and bloggers, as well as plots based on his life, meant that, predictably, all his former scandals got rehashed and his reputation went even further down. Had the show been of the caliber of TWW, it wouldn't have been an issue, but the show itself was bad, which is part of what pushes it into this trope. It's also not a case of these problems accumulating one by one — there were concerns from the start of the pilot in both the fanbase and with critics, and then within the first few episodes, every single thing that makes a show eligible for this category had kicked in.
    • This is where the numbers get interesting — the pilot saw a huge audience drop in the second half, while viewership was down to about 8 million (from the 13 million the hyped pilot started with) by the third episode. The first few episodes were written and shot long before being sent to critics, so it supports the idea that the show was flawed from the beginning, with the much-hyped pilot being both YMMV and an aberration.
  • When the show was taken off the air, not even the critics were surprised, and its cancellation was taken as a mercy kill. There was no visible lobby to save this show. However, it's still invoked as an example of terrible writing, bad plotting, and the difference between 'some anvils need to be dropped'/'signature style' and 'this is a completely joyless viewing experience.'
  • Lack of an actual fandom. Again, years later the people who remember this show are the ones who despise it.
  • It was compared to Ishtar! At 3 million dollars an episode, NBC lost God-only-knows how much money.

Jack did have an awesome moment and for a time was the black-horse hero of the show, largely because he wasn't in focus and the dislike for Matt (Sorkin stand-in) and Danny (ho, boy) was so strong. But the show itself was still a disaster. Whether or not it qualifies for Awful is where we hit YMMV.

Critical backing: This review sums up the conflict regarding the pilot: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/17/AR2006091700826.html

TWOP has a read-only thread for all media re: Studio 60. Interesting stuff here: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3143665&st=300 So, the pilot lost huge numbers in the second half. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jul/22/broadcasting.observerreview (This discusses audience drop off for the third episode.)

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/studio-60-on-the-sunset-strip/critic-reviews?num_items=100 Metacritic has the reviews for the pilot. Only the first few are unquestionably positive. As the relevance of the publication increases (from USA Today to Entertainment Weekly or Salon), the points drop. The majority of the positive reviews of the pilot note "Good, but not the best" or point to structural flaws (with the hope that the next episodes will be better), so the universal acclaim that the series was met with at the pilot is something of a myth.

Negative press (sampling): http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-7305-what_kind_of_show_has_it_been.html Show autopsy.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3143665&st=915 Most links are now dead. There's a satirical piece by the LA Times (now gone), but this link quotes scathing criticism from (of all people) Matt Roush.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3143665&st=930 Quotes from Sorkin & Schlamme on the failure, in which blame is laid directly on the audience. (Not a good sign.)

The aforementioned piece from The Onion's AV Club: http://www.avclub.com/articles/case-file-1-studio-60-on-the-sunset-strip,63985/

So the lack of fandom, the fact that even the upper-income niche audience abandoned the show, and the critical disdain (beginning with murmurs of "don't believe the hype" to "snark" to full on "I hate this show and want it to die" by the end) all seem to put Studio 60 firmly in this camp.
PropaneNightmare
12:28:57 PM Jan 5th 2013
edited by PropaneNightmare
Heres where you're wrong: the show has an 8.2 rating on IMDb, way above our threshold, it also has a cult following among Sorkin fans in its DVD release. Another reason the entry was deleted was that it made the show sound more So Okay, It's Average than horrible.

If the first few episodes were positively received, it also doesn't belong. The work as a whole has to be deemed horrible for it to count.

Oh, and if it was nominated for an Emmy, that's too good of a sign.
sanfranman91
02:16:26 AM Jul 2nd 2013
I concur. Many of my friends watched every episode and they were bummed to see this show go. I also don't think it was Sorkin's best work, but it's hardly horrible. I'd say Studio 60 doesn't qualify.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:50:21 PM Jul 9th 2012
If Restaurant Stakeout is still on the air, please remove the listing.

If not — okay, so having an openly unreal Reality Show is a bad thing. Still, most reality TV has some fakery in it, if only because cameras and "helpful" producers are present...

To the point. If we assume that this is every bit as real as, say, Clean House, then will it still be horrible, or just mediocre? How bad a violation of the social contract or Necessary Weasel is this?
sanfranman91
02:18:55 AM Jul 2nd 2013
I agree. Fake as it is, there's got to be some group of people that likes this show if it keeps on getting renewed.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:42:20 PM Jul 9th 2012
Musing on My Mother the Car:

I read somewhere that, while this was the lowest-rated show in its timeslot overall, it was not the lowest-rated one in the 21-49-year-old demographic. In other words, it is possible that this show, awful as it is, was a Cult Classic when it was still on the air.

Am not touching the entry right now, but someone might want to investigate.
leafeon
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08:05:01 PM Jun 26th 2012
edited by leafeon
Would Bridalplasty count? It was a reality show about engaged women getting plastic surgery before their weddings. It was poorly received by critics and viewers alike, and plastic surgeons thought it sent a bad message.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:36:30 PM Jul 9th 2012
If all of that is true, then it definitely fits here.
FuriKuri
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05:01:36 PM Apr 1st 2012
Should the Wonder Woman pilot really be included? After all, it's just a pilot, not something that ever made it to air, and it's also the only pilot included on the page. It also seems like a lot of the hate in the entry simply comes from the Adaptation Decay, not necessarily actual problems (although I haven't seen it).
InTheGallbladder
08:53:20 PM May 16th 2012
I second removing it.
Quality issues aside, it was never completed, nor was any attempt ever made to pass it off as complete. It can't go here because technically, it was never released.
tonagamu
12:39:47 AM May 18th 2012
That being said, aren't there incomplete and originally unreleased works on the other subpages of SBIH as well?
InTheGallbladder
08:44:44 PM May 19th 2012
Yes, but they were released as complete. The Video Games section is loaded with betas and alphas passed off as final products, and at least one literature example was a book released posthumously.
But these were released works.
Prfnoff
08:39:39 PM May 22nd 2012
There have been lots of pilots aired for shows that never produced another episode. I don't see those should be disqualified as examples.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:08:08 PM Jun 1st 2012
If this was aired and otherwise qualifies, it may be placed under "Specials." If not, leave it off.
ferrarimanf355
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05:28:59 PM Jan 12th 2012
We're going to have to add Work It at some point to this list in the future. IGN gave the pilot a 0/10, only the second time in the site's history that they did so.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/121/1214220p1.html

As soon as someone takes the time to explain why the show is terrible, and how it caused an uproar amongst the LGBT community (I really don't have the time to do so myself), it has to be added.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:35:17 PM Nov 23rd 2011
Is there any way to determine how bad Supertrain as a show was? Everything listed on that one so far is related to the implausible setting or to external factors.

Was that train that bad? Was the show worse than The Love Boat otherwise? If not, this show doesn't necessarily go here... But I think it would be kinda hard to find out.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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08:57:18 PM Jul 7th 2011
Cut this and put it here for now. Between this being "well-thought-out" on the writing end and the existence of the Follow the Leader trope, this isn't necessarily Horrible — just mistimed.

  • Egy rém rendes család Budapesten, AKA MarriedWithChildren...in Budapest, the Hungarian remake of the original American Sitcom, debuted in late 2006 and ran for one season. This was not a mere ripoff or nameslap: it was a properly licensed, thoroughly-researched, and well-thought-out Cultural Translation made in collaboration with a helpful crew of American execs. Yet, despite all this it failed — after the fourth episode it got pushed to a late-night timeslot, and went through a hiatus after its third month of being on the air, only to return to face a similar disinterest among the viewers. The reasons for its failure are easy to understand, even taking the work that went into making it "work" into consideration — mainly, just why should a two-decade-old cult American sitcom be repackaged as a modern Hungarian TV series? The show was basically a straight retelling of the original, only with a few minor changes in detail so the intended audience would feel more familiar with the characters, and some European-oriented jokes in the place of hard-to-understand American gags. Oh, and with far less wit and worse timing. Even the actor who portrayed Al Bundy (called Bándi Sanyi here) claimed that at the time of its making, there were simply no Hungarian writers who would've been fit for the concept, which is why they attempted to obtain the rights of an already well-known and famous television series, being afraid that any original concept would only lead to a disaster. Well, their plan didn't quite work out, and this reimagining quickly faded into obscurity. The fact that competitor TV stations aired the original series with a perfectly fine local dub at the time didn't help matters either.
nuclearneo577
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04:52:42 PM Jun 25th 2011
I'm pretty sure the main page was cut by mistake.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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03:47:45 PM Mar 29th 2011
Does the cut-down version of Australia's Naughtiest Home Videos qualify?

If not, I propose that we remove the entry altogether, since odds are no one not directly involved in making it has seen the version that is listed.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:19:25 PM Jun 1st 2012
Cut this and put it here for now. The version listed never finished airing at all, and we don't know if anyone outside the network saw it. The version that aired isn't truly listed.

  • Australia's Naughtiest * Home Videos, one of the few series in modern history to last less than one episode. Hosted by Doug Mulray, the show was intended to be a sister series to Australia's Funniest Home Videos, but seven minutes into the premiere Kerry Packer, then-owner of the network responsible (Nine Network), reportedly called the network from his house and told the programmers to "Get this shit off the air!" — and sure enough, when they came back from the first ad break, all of a sudden the audience was watching a rerun of Cheers. A cut-down version eventually aired in 2008.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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03:45:39 PM Mar 11th 2011
Narm Charm is something that, while it should be Narm, works for the intended drama anyway. If this work has that, then it cannot be Horrible.

  • The Anvilicious anti-porn Lifetime movie, Cyber-Seduction, His Secret Life is basically a movie detailing how it is completely evil and disgusting to look at porn. Good point? Maybe slightly. Obviously, some may have a point in arguing that pornography isn't the best thing in the world, but it's so ridiculously unrealistic, not in circumstance, but reaction. It was apparently porn that first introduced this likely 15 or 16 year old to the female anatomy, because he apparently never noticed before despite that being completely impossible. He's treated like he has some sort of hardcore drug addiction, like the type that needs rehab to live a functional life. The limitations they could show on TV are understandable, but the things he's shown looking at are probably cleaner than a lot of advertisements these days, and hell, cleaner than some of the things he was shown doing with his girlfriend. Because of how ridiculous the Narm Charm, it's the same things done in a parody, except played absolutely straight.
Twentington
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08:34:33 PM Feb 15th 2011
Removed Hole in the Wall. I haven't found any evidence of this getting bashed by the critics. At worst, most seemed ambivalent toward it.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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03:13:11 PM Jan 1st 2011
Someone listed the TV movie Blood Monkey but indicated it would just be So Okay, It's Average except for a Kill Them All ending. That's not enough of a reason to list it; some works have used that kind of ending for Oscar Bait.
MacPhisto
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04:10:08 PM Dec 22nd 2010
"Ever since MTV has abandoned the "music" part of their programming, they have had no shortage of bad reality shows that glorify either excess & materialism or stupidity. Jersey Shore combines them both, which features such horrible examples of human beings that Italian-American groups have demanded that it be taken off the air for being so offensive."
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:01:58 PM Dec 26th 2010
Guilty Pleasure. This show has run multiple seasons.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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08:50:35 PM Nov 11th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. I know one person liking it isn't supposed to redeem a work, but the entry — even without the justification — makes it sound like it would be interesting to watch even if it's a lousy place to get info. Remember, we like Roland Emmerich on some levels even if we want to clobber him on others.

  • Surviving Disaster. No, not the BBC one — the Spike TV one. How to describe this? Imagine if someone decided to make a series based around the Worst Case Scenario Handbook. Then add tons of CGI Special Effects Failure; Anvilicious scare tactics, including throwing around paranoia-fueled stats and the names of highly sensitive well-known disasters like Columbine, and an unhealthy obsession with terrorist attacks; people Too Dumb to Live used specifically to show you what not to do, or to get a debilitating or life-threatening injury just to show how to treat it, or to slow the focus group down and keep them in the disaster for longer than necessary — the worst example is a passer-by who calmly and silently walks up to a car tangled up in downed power lines and gets electrocuted trying to open up the driver's-side door; annoying babytalk by the host treating the audience as if they're participating in the disaster recreation without the audience-surrogate (in this case, the cameraman) doing anything or interacting with the focus group or the scenario at any time — when they used such interactions convincingly in their promos;, and survival tips that are marginally useful at best and either inaccurate or illegal at worst, all with just a token warning that the tips should be used "under those life-threatening conditions and at your own risk". It could have been So Bad, It's Good, if only for the Roland Emmerich feel of it all, were it not stepping on way too many hot-button-topic toes for its own good and treating itself as something far more serious and informative than the cheesy Edutainment show it is.
    • Cheesy, filled with stupid moments and horribly cheap-looking effects? It is, but does it really belong here? Most of the opinions I've read about it weren't all that harsh — what more, they were actually very positive opinions. That said, I haven't watched all of its episodes, and did find some questionable moments in the ones I caught (like, besides the one already mentioned, engaging in a gunfight with the terrorists), but even then, I found some charm in it.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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08:30:47 PM Oct 15th 2010
Cut this and put it here because it was genuinely popular, which automatically rules it out. We only hate it now because of Values Dissonance — in absolute terms, it's still more uplifting than Survivor.

Or, for a more direct comparison, think of The Biggest Loser. The Biggest Loser isn't All or Nothing, but many of the things that make Queen for a Day chilling in hindsight — most specifically, the game requiring people to withhold a prize from someone who is known to need it — is in that game in spades. But The Biggest Loser is compelling and popular television; Queen for a Day likely was also.

The syndicated version may be reinstated at leisure. Given that it was using ringers, I'm not sure which section to put it in.

  • Queen for a Day. This 1945-64 precursor to modern reality shows featured a group of four (occasionally five) females that were selected for their absolutely miserable lives. Host Jack Bailey interviewed each woman and openly snickered as she described how her husband had died, or she'd lost her house and had to move into a tiny apartment which was too small for her family, or some other thing had gone horribly wrong. Then the studio audience voted on who they felt the most sorry for; she got to be "Queen For a Day", which meant she got a cheap costume robe and crown, got seated on a plastic throne, and given a modest prize of her choice (for example, a wheelchair for her son who was crippled with polio — and that may be one of the more generous examples) along with a bunch of other prizes. The other contestants? They got nothing at all. Further, in several of the existing episodes, Bailey appears to be inebriated...although one wonders if anyone could do that show sober.
    • A 1984 BBC documentary on American game shows included a segment on this show, with footage of a club started by some of the winners — "Queen For A Day, Queen Forever".
    • It Got Worse when it came back in syndication from 1969-70, hosted by Dick Curtis — apparently, each "winner" was a paid actress chosen to "win" before each taping.
nuclearneo577
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09:25:57 AM Oct 8th 2010
O.K., I finally added one of those note that only editors can read to not add the The Star Wars Holiday Special. Here it is.

  • Do not add the Star Wars Holiday Special. Most everyone that saw it liked the cartoon with Bobba Fett and another scene or two. Also, some people think that the whole thing is So Bad Its Good. It is also considered a collectors item, so people odiously want it.
Glowsquid
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08:50:22 AM Sep 30th 2010
Re "Hair Battle Spectacular": While nearly every reviews I've seen are somewhat negative or middling, the current entry is just an extended and rambling rant on the voting of the contestants ("the moment the show became completely unwatchable was in the second-to-last episode, where they tossed out the last remaining Caucasian in the running" ... yeah). If anyone who watched this could write something better, then go ahead.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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10:12:02 PM Sep 11th 2010
Could we please elaborate on Iron Chef UK? I can imagine why that might be awful — British chefs seem to be either great or terrible — but we need more details. Is it awful in the same way the UPN Iron Chef was, or in a different way?
Glowsquid
04:44:45 AM Sep 12th 2010
Going from the Iron Chef page, it says fan are already trying to aplly Dis Continuity and that the round format is confusing. But yeah, could use more details.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
01:15:06 PM Sep 13th 2010
Apparently, the UK vs. of Iron Chef has the round format of Masterchef (the original). Much of the rest apparently has the same relation with Iron Chef America what Iron Chef USA had to the original Iron Chef — copying details without understanding them, down to a Chairman who is a "nephew" to another Chairman. In short, Iron Chef UK is, in good part, a copy of a copy.

That said, this show is both new (I think I'd have heard of it before if it wasn't) and ongoing. It's too soon to know that this is Horrible — we can't judge the entirety of a work if it isn't complete.

I propose that, in general, we avoid listing series that are still on the air. Early-Installment Weirdness is common in TV series, and sometimes It Gets Better.
nuclearneo577
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09:05:26 PM Sep 5th 2010
O.K, the Star Wars Holiday special doesn't belong here (I love it for it's cheesiness), but if it did, would it go here of on the Film page?
crazyrabbits
09:40:36 PM Sep 5th 2010
It doesn't, and it won't go in either. As stated above, it's still a collector's item years after the fact, there are several moments that can be considered funny or flat-out hilarious (the Diahann Caroll sequence, Carrie Fisher's singing, etc.), and at least one part that is considered to be generally good (the Boba Fett cartoon). The fact that you like it for it's cheesiness would have disproven it anyway.
nuclearneo577
09:53:29 PM Sep 5th 2010
I don't want to put it here, I never implied that. But if it some how did belong, what would it be counted as? T.V. or Film?
Glowsquid
04:36:54 AM Sep 6th 2010
T.V simply because it was never show in cinemas.
Russo1930
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09:06:36 PM Sep 2nd 2010
Should we put individual episodes or seasons on here since TV goes on forever? Like the "Beer Bad" episode of Buffy, or any episode of Heroes following and including the season 1 finale?
Glowsquid
03:43:43 AM Sep 3rd 2010
No, SBIH is when the hwole work sucks. Go on DMOS or Wall Banger or I dunno to complain about individual episodes.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
04:08:50 PM Sep 3rd 2010
Dethroning Moment of Suck or Wall Banger for individual episodes or seasons. Have reasons ready.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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06:51:09 PM Aug 8th 2010
Are we sure Freddy's Nightmares qualifies? I think that one was an anthology show. If it had any good episodes, it doesn't really belong here.
Glowsquid
04:21:33 AM Aug 9th 2010
The entry doesn't even explain why it's bad. It's just X Just X.
142.68.169.148
06:57:33 PM Aug 9th 2010
It does seem to have fans here and there, so its not universally reviled or anything.
crazyrabbits
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06:01:42 AM Jul 18th 2010
Removed the following:

This example was removed from the Holiday Special page (where it had been listed) by Ethereal Mutation, who noted that there were parts of the special that people actually liked. Coupled with the excessive amount of Narm and the fact that it still continues to be a prized item for collectors, there's no way to accurately claim that this was so bad it alienated the fanbase.

Doesn't give any information about what didn't work in the pilot, aside from a mention on the linked page that states Randall and Dante were changed from cashiers who despised their customers to lovable losers (Adaptation Decay, maybe?). That, and it's never been officially released, so there's no way to gauge how the fanbase would have viewed it.
Glowsquid
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04:23:59 PM Jul 16th 2010
edited by Glowsquid
Re Out of Jimmys Head: Honestly, I am doubtfull about this. I can tell it's popular here in Canada, and the entry posted here doesn't give any reasons for its badness: It complains about weird characterization, that the live-action elements are more cartoony than the animation and that there was contreversy over some casting choice... but none of it actually tell anything about the quality of the show.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:44:34 PM Jul 19th 2010
Cut this and put it here. Being genuinely popular in Canada is enough reason to remove it.

  • Cartoon Network's Out of Jimmy's Head did have a unique concept, animation meets reality in the story of a boy who can see cartoon characters in real life. However, the cartoon characters were rude and destructive, meaning this boy had some clear mental problems. Not to mention, the "reality" itself was more cartoon-like than the cartoons themselves: an alien sister, a mother who fights space pirates, roller coasters in a two-story suburban home. Throw in things that take away your ability to suspend disbelief, such as werewolf boyfriends and possessive mascot costumes, along with the controversial decision to replace Asian actors with African American actors, you've got something so bad that Cartoon Network has removed any trace of the show from their website.
crazyrabbits
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01:35:26 AM Jul 9th 2010
I have to take umbrage with that Megan Wants A Millionaire example. The "horrible" part has nothing to do with the show itself, but with the actions of a contestant after filming had already completed.
Glowsquid
03:27:14 AM Jul 9th 2010
Yeah, I thought of removing that one.
prototypeB
11:43:18 AM Oct 1st 2010
Is it really necessary to mention why the premiere wast postponed though? Lots of shows were postponed for the same reason.
tonagamu
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11:37:33 PM Jun 17th 2010
Anybody got any more info on that Emeril show? I mean it sounds like a bad idea but I'm not really finding it anywhere on "Worst Ever" lists...
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:07:47 PM Jun 18th 2010
Here's what I remember hearing. (If anyone remembers differently, please say something.)

It was an NBC show, I think. Emeril played himself, or a caricature thereof molded to fit a Sitcom formula. It was a Show Within a Show set-up, and the plot and humor were aimed more at showbiz than at cooking. They did not show off Emeril's cooking more than the plot absolutely required, nor any intelligence he might have had. They let him fail at cooking on occasion. <facepalm>

It lasted less than a full season. Somewhere between six and eight episodes were shown, IIRC. And it was an Ink Stain Adaptation — as noted in the entry proper, Emeril's career never recovered from this.
208.54.83.70
07:24:39 PM Jun 22nd 2010
Don't forget the overusage of "BAM!"
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:16:09 PM Jun 22nd 2010
Good point. Emeril was doing that before the show, but it was worse here somehow — perhaps because the context was gone.
prototypeB
11:39:03 AM Oct 2nd 2010
Sorry accidentally posted this in the entry below but meant to post it here: Is it really necessary to mention why the premiere wast postponed though? Lots of shows were postponed for the same reason.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:40:31 PM Oct 10th 2010
No, it wasn't. I fixed that.
tonagamu
03:55:43 AM Jan 3rd 2013
Was re-added and then deleted again... Any idea why??
tennessean
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06:51:38 PM Apr 6th 2010
tennessean: I'm noticing a pattern in the quality (or lack thereof) of Fox reality shows. But then again, they've had a habit of churning out shows and specials of varying quality (the much-parodied When Animals Attack comes to mind), so it must be nothing new to them by now.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
01:54:55 PM May 1st 2010
<nods> FOX keeps shooting out examples of any genre they're interested in until they get some that people are willing to watch right away. But usually, when people refuse to start to watch Reality Shows, those shows are obviously bad. Reality shows don't get the Firefly Effect — either they start out attracting, or they repel.

Right now, FOX has about four successful reality shows, only two of which are on the air at any given time. (They are hoping to get to five). The ones listed on this page predate So You Think You Can Dance and Hell's Kitchen; a few of them predate American Idol.
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