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Horrible Film Discussion
This is my opinion only, but "Catch and Release" with Jennifer Garner is the only movie I've seen where I could think of several different tortures I'd prefer over watching that movie again.
When the "meet cute" between the love interests involves the female crying over her lost love in a bathtub while the male half is screwing the caterer in said bathroom, one should know that's just what you have in store for you. Wishing you were getting their brain bleached.
I used to think Kevin Smith was funny before this movie.
I know you made this message over 18 months ago, but I'm pretty sure it's just your opinion. It has 5.8 on IMDB
, which is apparently way too high for a movie to be on this list.
I know, people can skew the scores (as the person at the bottom of this page says), but still, this page isn't about what one person thinks is horrible.
, which is apparently way too high for a movie to be on this list.
I know, people can skew the scores (as the person at the bottom of this page says), but still, this page isn't about what one person thinks is horrible.
Removed the following:
- The Cat in the Hat. A 90-minute live-action adaptation of material that was previously filmed, with padding, as a half-hour cartoon. Imagine the padding here. In addition, Mike Myers and the script combine to derail the character of the Cat in the Hat. The Cat in the book is a jerk, but in the book he comes off as naive, someone who doesn't understand the consequences of his playfulness. In the film, the added off-color humor kills any hopes of naivete; in the film, he's a creepy, insensitive
mancat-child who seems intent on ruining lives.- You forgot to mention some of the...less than satisfactory jokes that take the movie even further from the plot than usual, used in the padding. Admittedly, they aren't all bad, though few are better than average; but the ones that are bad... are bad.
- Thanks to the film's dirty humor and mature themes (in contrast to the family-friendly work that it was based on), Audrey Geisel, the widow of Ted Geisel (aka Dr. Seuss) and the one in charge of all licensing of Seuss properties, stated that she would never approve another live-action adaptation of any of Dr. Seuss's works. Any future adaptations will be animated or CGI, hence the CG Horton Hears a Who movie, which was moderately successful.
Do we have any reasons for listing Christmas With The Kranks other than the Family Unfriendly Aesop?
Cut this and put it here for now. This film appears to have fans in high places. (And I think thylacine were real.)
- Howling III: The Marsupials is also worth mentioning here. Upon first glance at the title, you would think it would involve were-kangaroos. That would have beem a BETTER movie. The movie revolves around the lycanthropic relatives of a made-up extinct marsupial, and an ordinary man's love for one of the lady were-things. The special effects are better than New Moon Rising, but there's even less plot.
- There are apparently people who like III—for instance, the critics Mick Martin and Marsha Porter wrote about "character development rather than gore" and gave it two and a half stars. Considering what I and II were like, though, one wonders why the hell III was marketed as III rather than its own thing with its own style.
I'd like to semi-retract my removal of Furry Vengeance. "Semi-" because I've seen some unfavourable reviews, but I still think it's too early for it to be listed here (I think we should give it another week or two) and again because you need to say more than just "it fails".
Cutting this and putting it here for now. Maybe it belongs on the page, maybe it doesn't, but I am uncomfortable with having a Your Mileage May Vary block on an entry on this page. It does look like whether you find Club Paradise Horrible or not depends on your expectations... and face it, Eugene Levy and Rick Moranis are unambiguously comedians, so expecting them in a straight-up sex romp is kinda naive.
- Club Paradise, starring your friend and ours, Robin Williams. With a title like that, you'd think it would be a typical mid-eighties R/NC-17 romp with hot half-naked jiggly girls and plenty of sexual hijinks. But if it had, then that would have given it a redeeming quality, so no. Instead, it's a PG-13 "comedy" (if this passes for comedy) with a plot that involves its protagonists opening a club that is advertised to be something much better and sexier than it is. (What a time for life to imitate art...) And if you think Robin is hairy, then you have not suffered through shirtless Rick Moranis and Eugene Levy.
- Well, Your Mileage May Vary on this movie depending on who your favorite actor or actress is. With people like those two SCTV alumni, as well as voice actor Brian Doyle-Murray and famous model Twiggy, how can you argue? Plus, this seems like a fitting movie to kill time with when you're at a beach somewhere in the U.S. or the Carribean. However, despite being a big fan of Rick's, this troper found this movie kind of boring at times and agrees on the shirtless part. Eww, such fluffy bellies...
Okay. I cut Ax Em because it had a scene listed as worth seeking out. (It was also listed as both So Bad Its Good and So Bad Its Horrible on its page.) It got restored without the note about the scene, on grounds that "elements worth seeking out" happened in Action 52...
Okay, I understand the confusion. But the element in "Cheetahman" in Action 52 is a piece of music that cannot properly be appreciated within the game itself because the SFX get in the way. (It's fifty-two games in the cart; there may be a few So Bad Its Good games in there, but Cheetahman isn't one of them.)
The good element in Ax Em is part of the film proper — a DJ doing "yo mama" jokes — and apparently the SFX failure doesn't get in the way so much that the scene can't be watched.
Okay. Videogames do seem to have laxer standards — and if a game's unplayable, then that overrules everything else. But that's no reason to loosen the standards here.
Marmaduke seems to be a future candidate. 1.7 on IM Db, 10% on RT, and considering the advert I just saw was just one big fart joke, I'm not too confident with this one.
For the record, I am reposting a discussion of Batman And Robin from this page's discussion archive. The gist seems to be that this, while an Ink Stain Adaptation, isn't necessarily Horrible. Unfortunately, the people most motivated to watch the film are the ones who seem to like it least, so...
Ethereal Mutation: Does Batman and Robin really belong here? It might be Canon Defilement of the highest order, but outside of the cyclic hatedom (just like Jar-Jar Binks, people that have never seen it are more than happy to talk about how much they hate it), it's really just another really expensive (125 million dollars!) turkey without anything really noteworthy (positive or extremely negative) about it. Most of the reviews for it are around the 2 out of 4 star range (which is technically in the "rotten" threshold of Rotten Tomatoes, but not this bad). The huge amount of hatred piled on the movie is more directed at the politics behind it rather than what's really on screen. triassicranger: Just checked the recent history where someone removed it, but for those who can't be bothered to look (that and it'll vanish off the recent changes page eventually) Batman and Robin is an example of Accentuate The Negative (whatever that means) and not on the level of "Horrible". I would also like to groan that seemingly no one cares to explain why the film is so bad.
Ethereal Mutation: Does Batman and Robin really belong here? It might be Canon Defilement of the highest order, but outside of the cyclic hatedom (just like Jar-Jar Binks, people that have never seen it are more than happy to talk about how much they hate it), it's really just another really expensive (125 million dollars!) turkey without anything really noteworthy (positive or extremely negative) about it. Most of the reviews for it are around the 2 out of 4 star range (which is technically in the "rotten" threshold of Rotten Tomatoes, but not this bad). The huge amount of hatred piled on the movie is more directed at the politics behind it rather than what's really on screen. triassicranger: Just checked the recent history where someone removed it, but for those who can't be bothered to look (that and it'll vanish off the recent changes page eventually) Batman and Robin is an example of Accentuate The Negative (whatever that means) and not on the level of "Horrible". I would also like to groan that seemingly no one cares to explain why the film is so bad.
I am HIGHLY tempted to slap The Last Airbender on here... Saw first showing today and my GOD it was horrible. Horribly integrated 3D, bad BAD acting, the Shyamalan plot twist that doesn't bear any respect to the source material. Everything about it was terrible.
Also the reviews of the movie are universally negative. 8 percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes, with the only positive reviews given by people who were probably bribed into doing so... I know it's only been out for a day but oh my GOD it's terrible.
Plenty of reviews
and huge amounts of discussion over proper page tone on the film's discussion page shows a non-trivial number of people like the film.
and huge amounts of discussion over proper page tone on the film's discussion page shows a non-trivial number of people like the film.
Did anyone notice that Fast Eddie removed So Bad Its Horrible from the Garbage Pail Kids Movie page? Yeh, I fixed that.
Okay, so Jaws 5 is an exploitation film and not an official Jaws film. Is there any other reason it's an invalid entry? Did it fail to make theaters?
For future references when testing this page's capacity:
There really is a film called Z. It's an art film about Greek politics, made and released approx. 1970 (give or take a couple of years)... And no, it isn't Horrible.
Read this, as it's pretty much the same situation as what's happening now. At this point, it doesn't matter how much the damn thing sucks, what matter is that Ethereal Mutation is so hell-bent on removing the damn thing that adding it back is pointless.
, as it's pretty much the same situation as what's happening now. At this point, it doesn't matter how much the damn thing sucks, what matter is that Ethereal Mutation is so hell-bent on removing the damn thing that adding it back is pointless.
Box Office returns and gross shouldn't factor. If a movie has been panned by critics and viewers alike, it should be an automatic entry. Meet the Spartans, Epic Movie, Date Movie, they all qualify. But due to the idiotic notion 'they made a lot of money', meaning that they aren't horrible films? That is just stupid.
Its like saying The Iron Giant, Treasure Planet, or Titan AE sucks since they bombed at the box office but performed well with the critics.
Cut this and put it here for now, as we (or at least I) have no idea what most of these films are and because "recent" is not a fixed period. If it is reinstated, then please file under the filmmaker's last name; that is, alphabetize as "Lowell," not "Ulli"... Or maybe write an entry for Son of Sam alone.
- Director Ulli Lomell's recent films, specifically those purporting to be based on real-life serial killers or other infamous criminals are universally derided. The films suffer from poor production values and performances, the same dull, heavy atmosphere, lots of Critical Research Failure, scenes and dialogue that drag on needlessly, tons of gratuitous stock footage and, as a review of Killer Nurse (based on Angel of Death-type killer Charles Cullen) essentially stated "are of the rinse, lather, repeat type, where scenarios are repeated for the length of the film". Son of Sam, for example, can be summed up with "David Berkowitz talks to his lawyer. Flashback to a shooting, followed by Satanic cult scenes and shots of Berkowitz wandering around in a dazed state"; repeat ad nauseam. Currently on imdb, only about three of the films have achieved a rating slightly higher than a two.
Looking into it, the first was Mockbuster Zodiac Killer (currently in imdb's bottom one-hundred at number thirty with 2,024 votes) in 2005. In the same year there was BTK Killer, Green River Killer and Killer Pickton (banned in North America, apparently for being Too Soon). Next was Black Dahlia (another Mockbuster) in 2006, and Diary of a Cannibal, Borderline Cult and Curse of the Zodiac (another apparent Mockbuster) in 2007. 2008 had Dungeon Girl (based on the Joseph Fritzl case) Son of Sam, Baseline Killer (infamously given a "FUCK THIS MOVIE out of 5" by Dread Central) and Killer Nurse. In 2009 there was Nightstalker and the last one before he apparently quit horror was D.C. Sniper (which a Joblo review said "is his best work. But that doesn't say a lot.")
) and Killer Nurse. In 2009 there was Nightstalker and the last one before he apparently quit horror was D.C. Sniper (which a Joblo review said "is his best work. But that doesn't say a lot.")
Cut this and put it here for now. The films that were listed under it have been listed individually. If the guy had been making films for two decades, we shouldn't list him just because of his last four years.
Hey, he might have lots of non-horror films out there.
- Lommel, Ulli. A German filmmaker whose only real claim to fame was a fairly obscure 1980's film called The Boogeyman (which they mention on the cover of all his DVDs, apparently hoping somebody confuses it with the Sam Raimi produced one). Near the end of his career he went on to make a number of films purporting to be based on true crimes; as a review of Killer Nurse (based on Charles Cullen) put it, they all "are of the rinse, lather, repeat type, where scenarios are repeated for the length of the film" ad nauseam. On IM Db, only three of those films have achieved a rating slightly higher than a two. This Dread Central review of one can summarize all of the true crime films (which the reviewer dubs "mumblegore" in another review) up nicely. Said reviewer has also repeatedly stated in regards to Lommel: "You think Uwe Boll is the worst director in the world? He's not even the worst German director whose name begins with the letter 'U'!" Some of his more noteworthy So Bad It's Horrible works include:
My theory about the relation between box office and film quality:
- Good films can have disastrous box office. (See Citizen Kane.)
- Bad films can be box office hits or even blockbusters. This covers Guilty Pleasures, So Bad Its Good films, and well-marketed So Okay Its Average films.
- But Horrible films cannot be box office hits.
Brad Jones thought highly of Caligula, so I'm not sure if it fits. Do other exploitation buffs think the same?
Should there be a section for "Giftedly Bad Directors", instead of just saying "Everything by ______"?
Quick question, as I'm not too familiar with the franchise: Is Power Rangers seriously known for terrible fighting choreography?
Okay, what's our current stance on direct-to-DVD movies? Do we list them here, in Live Action Television, or what?
I ask because someone is trying to list Steven Seagal's direct-to-DVD filmography there, and my recollection was that we were only supposed to list films that did see theatrical release here.
Re Vampire Sucks: Anonymous Mc Cartney Fan removed it o nthe ground that "Twilight haterss likes it" but I went on IMDB and not only is the user rating pathetic, but there's actually a forum thread asking why even Twilight haters don't like it.
So... uh?
So... uh?
About this.
- A Kid in King Arthur's Court make Batman and Robin look GOOD. See Nostalgia Critic's review for proof.
Deleted this comment and placing it here:
- To those who defend the film, let the late great comedian Richard Jeni put you in your place:
"If you have any doubt that you are wasting your life, spend a night with one sweat sock and a bag of shitty popcorn watching Jaws 4: The Revenge. You know what the title should have been? Here's a Fish, You're a Moron."
- To those who defend the film, let the late great comedian Richard Jeni put you in your place:
O.K., I finally added one of those note that only editors can read to not add the The Star Wars Holiday Special. Here it is.
- Do not add the Star Wars Holiday Special. Most everyone that saw it liked the cartoon with Bobba Fett and another scene or two. Also, some people think that the whole thing is So Bad Its Good. It is also considered a collectors item, so people odiously want it. Also, it would go on the Live Action TV page.
I added The Wild Life, and someone removed it. Why? Maybe it was someone perverted that removed it...
I don't believe that The Adventures of Pluto Nash belongs on this page. Perhaps some of you dislike the movie and that's fine, your opinion, but I loved every minute of it. It was fun, it had action and suspense, I loved the actors in it - it was quite enjoyable. :)
I'm contesting its position on this list and request it get moved to so bad it's good instead at the very least.
Also, the entry says this about a Robot Chicken skit:
Here is the part about the box office.
- In a Robot Chicken sketch, 40-plus studio employees killed themselves the Monday after its weekend box office numbers came in.
Here is the part about the box office.
- Over $100M had been invested in Pluto Nash; they had to try and get some money out of it sooner or later. Then again, considering that the film made the grand total of $5M (which film prints and advertising materials alone would have gobbled up) at the box office, maybe they would have been better off leaving it on the shelf.
I notice someone just added Secret Agent Club, a film made as part of a Ponzi scheme. Now, that doesn't affect its status at all — some Ponzi schemes produce fine products anyway — but it did make me wonder if someone was trying a Springtime For Hitler ploy...
Cutting this and putting it here for now:
, proving that someone likes it.
- The Nutcracker in 3D. The director, Andrei Konchalovsky, dropped all the ballet and magic The Nutcracker is famous for and put in rat-faced Nazis, the leader of whom has an atrocious Andy Warhol wig. And they're not just mean; they have Nightmare Faces of the worst kind. The movie currently has 0% on Rottentomatoes.com, one of the reviewers from which saying "the movie seems designed to terrify children and appall adults." And you thought Lotso and the incinerator from Toy Story 3 were bad.
, proving that someone likes it.
Do we have any reasons to list A Serbian Film other than its being both squicky and probably illegal?
More cuts:
- The Howling II was excruciatingly bad. Never before has this troper watched a movie that felt like it hated me as much as I hated it. Hell, Christopher Lee is even ashamed of it, and the movies has a whooping total of 17% approval on Rotten Tomatoes.
Hold on, "Blue". One of the worst Red Dwarf episodes? True, the show kind of went to crap after Stoke Me A Clipper and Ouroboros and I suppose it wasn't THAT good, but can someone elaborate why it's considered among the worst?
More removals.
- Sanctum, an incredibly dull movie about cave divers that this troper expected to be good because James Cameron was involved, but ended up being awful.
- Season Of The Witch, despite having an all star cast, fails on every conceivable level. Bad acting, bad story, bad special effects, it received a 4% on Rotten Tomatoes, noting "Slow, cheap-looking, and dull, Season of the Witch fails even as unintentional comedy."
- Tank Girl : While the comic might have fans, the effect of this film raping your eyeballs renders that an impossibility. It had the Nostalgia Critic weeping in the shower. There was no special effects budget, no writing staff, and it is likely that Alan Smithee was ashamed to put his name on this. And they ran out of film, aparently, resulting in horrible audience whiplash when stills from the comic were added to fill transitions that the director did not have the attention span to have the cameramen capture. And it has a musical scene which is not only a Big Lipped Alligator Moment, but also has enough Fan Disservice to make us glad to watch a small child being slowly murdered instead. Thank abstract deities that there was no character development to be had. Let Us Speak Of It No More.
Can someone give a reason other than it being offensive to people with aspergers syndrome?
- Adam. Do not watch this movie if you are, or know, somebody who has Asperger's Syndrome. Whatever the mental condition equivalent of racism is, this movie commits it by implying that Aspies either don't know what love is, or are just plain incapable of it AFTER THE MAN HAS JUST WALKED ALL THE WAY FROM HIS HOME TO HERS TO REUNITE WITH HER IN THE FREEZING COLD AND WET AND RAIN, AND AFTER SHE'S JUST SAID THAT THERE IS NOTHING INHERENTLY WRONG ABOUT PEOPLE WITH ASPERGER'S. Not to mention how it completely breaks the aesop about sex being something special between two people over its knee by having the title character and his girlfriend start screwing ten minutes after she says she wants to take things slowly. But wait, it gets worse. There's a subplot involving her family that contributes nothing but awkwardness and a badly-written breakup scene that accuses Aspies of being Psychopathic Manchildren. Every Aspie trait featured is introduced rapidly and made nothing of, like they're trying to check off as many cliches within the movie's time limit, and the protagonist takes the concept of being an Idiot Hero and runs about a billion miles with it. Even people with Asperger's Syndrome would know that asking a girl if she was sexually excited by squirrels is weird, but not this guy. Our hero, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, but it gets even worse. He's mistaken being a pedophile by the NYP. When he's just waiting for his girlfriend. And it never occurs to him to explain the situation. And the police's response is to turn their guns on him in a heartbeat.
Cut and pasted there. It seems to fit on the page, but with little elaboration.
- Pocket Ninjas: A horrible knock-off of 3 Ninjas with endless training montages, flat acting, and crazy Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot moments every 10 minutes.
Did Halloween Horror Hostel ever make it to theaters?
If not, then it should be moved, since it was produced by a TV channel.
I'd like to nominate Fat Slags, but I'm not entirely sure, so I'll go here first:
What I know is against it:
What I know is against it:
- Only vaguely related to the comic
- Relies mostly on Refuge In Vulgarity, jokes tend to fall flat
- Some incredibly ham-fisted Character Development for the heroines.
- Stuff Blowing Up for no explainable reason (seriously, a laptop and a dead pomeranian go off with the force of a dynamite stick)
- At 1.8, rates at the bottom third of IMDB's bottom 100
- Allegedly ended the comic series
- Scores 27 percent at Rotten Tomatoes.
- Is that enough against it?
- What is there in its favor?
... What... What happened to Manos: The Hands of Fate? I mean, the Mads APOLOGIZED for this on MST 3 K! It has the world's most pointless "subplot", it has ten minutes of minimal-dialogue driving DESPITE a camera that could only record for thirty seconds, fans acknowledge it's nearly unwatchable in some parts without the MS Ting... Why isn't it on here?
Should this really be on here? I mean, it's one of those movies.
Red Riding Hood (2011) a Darker and Edgier retelling so unbelievably detatched from the original tale as to be In Name Only. The plot reads like a fanfiction written by Michael Haneke. The film is loaded with inconsistencies, obnoxious moments, and padding to the point where almost half the film is dedicated to the lead actor staring into space.
Removed this from the Gigli entry:
- 20th Century Fox refuses to issue it on DVD. Make that of what you will.
Are we sure Obsessed (Beyonce) edition is Horrible? We're rooting for someone, even if it's not the person intended...
We need to edit the Nick Phillips entry...
Criminally Insane is a Guilty Pleasure — there really are fans of exploitation films of The Seventies. But Crazy Fat Ethel and the Death Nurse films are horrible and are based off that one. We need to adjust the description accordingly, since we want to make clear which films are Horrible and which aren't...
I oughta do it myself, but it's delicate work.
Video Brinquendo, anyone? Known for such classics as Little Bee, Little Cars, and The Little Panda Fighter?
Cut the entry for Sean McNamara, since he isn't consistently bad enough to be Horrible even in his genre. Moved his 3 Ninjas film to the appropriate spot. Cut this and put it here for now — I think this is Western Animation.
- Bratz: Based on the toyline, this movie became notorious for being filled with idiotic dialogue, plot holes, and countless Unfortunate Implications. It bombed in the box office and earned Razzie nominations. One reviewer, Nathan Rabin of The AV Club, declared that "[ McNamara's movie] is why terrorists hate [America]."
- Bratz: Based on the toyline, this movie became notorious for being filled with idiotic dialogue, plot holes, and countless Unfortunate Implications. It bombed in the box office and earned Razzie nominations. One reviewer, Nathan Rabin
Does "Who's Your Caddy?" qualify? That terrible rip-off of Caddyshack and giving in the negative stereotypes. It got a 6% in Rotten Tomatoes and 1.8 rating in IMDB.
Does house of the dead really belong here? Yeah, I know it's made by uwe boll, but it seems to be more of a so bad its good movie rather then so bad it's horrible. In fact, this movie seems to be a like it or hate it subject, and their are other people who think it's good for some cheesy laughs.
Hey guys, a bit of a future reference here... Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB alone do not qualify as SBIH. Remember, there are people that purposefully skew scores or are so obscure that they have no ratings from these sites. Try to convince us that this movie belongs here.
And on another note, IMDB scores are also not a reason to delete scores unless it's really high, like... around 5.0 or higher. Again, there are people out there that skew scores.
I think the Garbage Pail Kids Movie needs to be removed... Even the film's page says that the movie has a fanbase. Also, nobody hated it before The Nostalgia Critic reviewed it (at least not on a large scale).
Hey guys, about the IMDB scores.
There needs to be a limit set here. This is one of the most two faced pages I've seen for that reason. IMO, the limit should be 5.0. Perfectly deserving films have gotten removed on the sole fact that they have a 4.7.
About Street Fighter The Legend Of Chun Li, what's so bad about it. M.Bison sounds entertainining from discription. Besides I find their version of Chun Li way hotter than the video game one but that's just me. Those are both redeeming factors. Better explaination or I'll remove it myself.