Franchise Spider Man Discussion

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04:28:06 PM Aug 7th 2015
edited by Kalaong
I'm looking for a trope; in Marvel Knights Spider-Man #9: The Last Stand "part 1 of 4", Mac Gargan claims to have abducted May Parker and drags Peter out for a little Just Between You and Me torture-speech before blackmailing Peter into breaking Osborn out of prison;
Gargan: You never wonder why you always fight the same guys over and over again? …Imagine it's nineteen forty-five and you're one of the richest men on the planet. You got everything you ever wanted. Girls, money, power. You're living the American dream and all the little worker-bees are working round clock to keep you there. Then these guys in masks start showing up, righting wrongs and throwing their super-powers around. They say they're here to fight injustice and you know it's only a matter of time before they start looking at the books and see the way this world of yours really operates. For the first time in a thousands years, the ruling class is under threat and bullets weren't gonna keep this revolution down. Bullets just bounce off these guys' chests. So what do they do? What's the genius plan that man creates to keep the superman in check? Any ideas? Easy. They create the super bad-guy. You have to remember that in those days the world wasn't really broken down into heroes as villains as clearly as it is now. Heroes lived outside the law. That's why most of them had masks. These rich guys just saw them all as one big, collective threat and decided to set them against each other. Divide and conquer, as they say. Half the villains kicking around the old days were just ex-GIs on a salary. Why do you think nobody important ever got offed? Why did they always go after the same super-heroes? The were assigned to these guys, Spider-Man. You guys were written into their contracts.
Parker: Are you seriously trying to tell me all the idiots we've fought over the years have been stooges?
Gargan: Don't be crazy. We're talking maybe one or two Marshals for each superhero, but that's all you really need. Once you start the ball rolling you can just sit back and enjoy the fun.
Gargan: Look at that auction last month: People were bleeding themselves DRY to become an A-List villain. The whole thing becomes self-perpetuating if you're clever about it.
Parker: This is garbage. You're just messing with my head. There's no way the government would create their own super-villains.
Gargan: But this isn't the government. These are the companies that put governments in office and neutralizing capes was a genuine business concern when they first appeared.
Parker: What's this got to do with Norman Osborn?
Gargan: Billionaire? Bio-chemist? All those big military contracts? I thought you were supposed to be smart, Spider-Man. Osborn was their favourite super-villain contractor until he went a little nuts and started flying around on that Goblin Glider he built for himself.
Parker: Oh my God.
Gargan: Bush and Clinton found out about this and closed down any super-villain programs they heard about, but there was some very famous names in that original cabal.
08:43:16 AM Aug 10th 2015
Can you sum it up rather than posting an enormous block of text?
06:27:50 PM Aug 13th 2015
Gargan is claiming that when superheroes first appeared, governments and corporations sponsored supervillains so the heroes spend all their time fighting them instead of interfering in politics and business. It's why each superhero has a rogue's gallery - and why said galleries never did serious harm to anyone rich or influential - they were assigned to heroes like bodyguards. Not all villains have been dupes, just one or two for each hero. After a while, other ambitious sociopaths came out of the woodwork to join the parties - often using technology created by governments and corporations to fight superheroes. Criminals spend all their money to become supervillains, paying top dollar to the people who sponsor supervillains. Self-perpetuating.
06:03:42 AM Mar 6th 2015
This may cause some negative reaction, but still. Remember that grand finale of the series, when Peter dies and Otto wins? It still bugs me that it's an interesting case of self-disposing hero. Think about it: normally spidey strictly follows his "thou shalt no kill" rule, but here he actively tries to kill his opponent. He manages to drop them both from high-store window, knowing it'll end otto's decayed body, and he plans to switch Octavius back in it to die. If it's not murder (justified, but still), then I don't know what it is. And what happens then? His attempt amazingly backfires against him, in a way that everything goes as he planned... except the mind-swap thing. So basically, while trying to kill his opponent, he actually kills himself. At the very least, it's dramatic irony; but to be fair, it looks more like full-stop karmic death, and surely deserves to be mentioned on a trope page. Does anyone (not) agree?
09:57:17 PM Dec 15th 2014
Why did Vindicated by History portion of YMMV disappear?
11:35:49 PM Dec 15th 2014
This should go on YMMV.Spider Man Discussion I think. 'Twas a Data Vampire attack. Someone needs to add the material from the page history back in. I could do a revert but there are other edits.
07:40:46 PM Mar 8th 2014
Can someone add a quote link?
12:43:08 AM Mar 9th 2014
Not sure what you are asking for.
10:36:39 PM Mar 23rd 2014
Like a Quote Tab with quotes from different comics, movies, cartoons etc.
12:58:01 AM Mar 24th 2014
Feel free to make a page Quotes.Spider Man listing these.
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