Not the troper who added that to Ho Yay, but I genuinely thought Darwin and Havok were meant to be a couple (from the somewhat random bit when they're playing pinball and Havok puts his hand on Darwin's stomach, and the angsty look between them when Darwin dies). I've seen a lot of people mention it online, too.

I really think this is people seeing what they want to see. The "angsty look"? Well, first of all, Darwin's looking back at the whole "first class", not just Havok, and they all have pretty "angsty" looks. Plus, it's Havok's energy that killed Darwin- of course he feels particularly bad.

I'll admit I din't notice the stomach touch, although as I remember the scene, Havok's playing the game- I'm pretty certain any "touch" was a quick pat of some sort- you don't take your hands away from the flipper buttons if you're a good player.

I really think this is something that people are seeing because they want to see it- not because it's there.

I got the pinball thing the wrong way round, it's Darwin touching Havok. Sounds like you blinked and missed it, but that's where people are getting the Ho Yay from (and why I had to look up when I got home whether they were a couple in the comics). Here's a thread talking about it on Gamefaqs

If it was only people seeing what they wanted to, there'd be a plethora of other couples (besides Xavier/Magneto) listed under Ho Yay (it's not like this is a movie short on a whole variety of attractive men interacting with each other...)

None of which is to say that the writers intended there to be Ho Yay, or that you/anyone else has to agree it was there - but a lot of people did see it, and for that reason I don't think it should be removed.

I think the touch alone would qualify as Ho Yay between Havok and Darwin. During Darwin's death scene, the way they look at each other, and the way Darwin reaches out for Havok like he wants to say something seems like they were more than friends.

Doesnt Ho Yay belong on YMMV anyways?

I believe Wolverine was supposed to take place 15 years prior to the first X-Men film, which was made in 2001, and was probably supposed to take place within a year or so of that.

As for Scott's age, I think we're just meant to assume the character was older than the actor in the first movies.

The reason it was listed as a wallbanger isn't because of Storm's justifiable feelings, but because she immediately shouted down Rogue, whose power is dangerous, uncontrollable, and leaves her unable to experience the most basic of human interactions.

The problem is that, unlike the real-life issues it's meant to be a metaphor for, all mutants are not created equal; by contrast, homosexuals, for example, more or less share the same difference from what's considered "normal"; i.e. they want to schtupp a different set of people from what society says they should; and the difference is benign and not innately dangerous. The same can't be said for Mutants, whose powers range from healing, immortality, enhanced senses, cool claws and the ability to be dozens of places at the same time to sucking the life out of any living thing you touch without being able to stop yourself.

In Storm's case, yes, it's analogous to things like curing homosexuality, in that it implies that there's something innately wrong with it, because her powers—and control over them—are a bonus; she still looks normal, feels normal, and can be normal if she wants.

Rogue's situation is considerably different—her powers are a curse; she can't touch anyone without seriously harming or killing them, and thus she's denied the most basic form of human contact, and cannot have a normal life because of it. For Rogue, it's like someone paralyzed from the waist down being yelled at for having the gall to look into getting a wheelchair.

This is exactly what Beast's line is about. An alternate interpretation could see Storm basically acting like some groups of African Americans that accuse others of their ethnicity of "selling out" or "acting White" because they try to be successful in business and education. She is basically telling Rogue that she'd be betraying her people by making a choice that could significantly improve her quality of life, and that it's more important that she remain a mutant than be happy.

That makes sense, but I still wouldn't call it a wallbanger. As you and others describe it, it's honour before reason.

The honour of remaining true to the group, trumps the reason of Rogue having a normal quality of life.

Neither would I. I was just pointing out why others would.

To me, what saves it from being a Wall Banger is Beast's line, where he points out Storm's skewed perspective, and the fact that Rogue does take the cure without showing some arbitrary negative consequences to imply Storm was right. A Wall Banger would have been the movie agreeing with Storm, rather than Storm just saying it.

Out of curiosity, why'd you remove the whole bit? Why not just delete the part that says "Wall Banger".

IMHO, it would be a Dethroning Moment Of Suck for the movie, whereas a Wall Banger is when the entire plot or a piece of dialogue that the plot hinges on is bad, whereas this was just a conversation that left a bad taste in people's mouths for the aformentioned reasons.

This is exactly what Beast's line is about. An alternate interpretation could see Storm basically acting like some groups of African Americans that accuse others of their ethnicity of "selling out" or "acting White" because they try to be successful in business and education.

I saw it as more of an analogy to Deaf people who ostracize deaf people who get cochlear implants. People hide their race/ethnicity because of its perceived hindrance in the professional/social world; the mutant analog would be a normal-looking mutant like Storm not using her powers and letting people think she's a human. With the cure, Rogue was actually changing herself into a human, which is a more fundamental change and would be a lot more controversial than just passing, even if it's her personal choice and made perfect sense in the long run.

Well, in either case, neither Wall Banger nor Dethroning Moment Of Suck are supposed to be listed on main pages anymore.

For some reason I though that was cut from the Just Bugs Me page, not the main page.