That's actually a bad suggestion: Actor Allusion has a serious problem with people misusing it for pointing out coincidences like this. It's only for when the coincidence is referred to in some way in the work itself.
Trope Finder would be a better place to ask for that, although I'm of the opinion that it's not so much a trope as it is a coincidence.
There is contention whether the following examples fit in Homage or Shout-Out:
- The backstory of the Amazons, when told by Hippolyta to Diana, is very similar in style to the one used in 300.
- The scenes of Diana rescuing Steve from the sinking plane and then looming over him at the beach — writer Allan Heinberg mentioned those were taken from Disney's The Little Mermaid. It's almost a direct shot-for-shot remake of that scene.
- The shield leap move is very similar to the one in the Spartacus series.
- Diana climbing the wall of the Amazon armory tower echoes back to Tobey Maguire's first wall climb in Spider-Man, with the ease in which they climb and their joy in their power.
- Diana protects Steve from a gunman in an alley by blocking a bullet, emulating a similar scene in Superman: The Movie. Diana and Clark even wear similar outfits (complete with hats and glasses), and the gunmen are also introduced pulling the gun on them from behind a corner. Earlier, Diana had trouble going through a revolving door, just as Clark had. The director has stated that this is a deliberate homage.
Personally, I'm saying they all fit in Shout-Out. The only one that could be a borderline Homage is The Little Mermaid, and even then I'm unconvinced.
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Homage is the more specific and demanding trope, so should have priority if it fits. In what way are they not homages?
From the description of Homage: "Homage is the deliberate, but respectful, recreation of one work of fiction within the context of another." "An Homage is an extended sequence, significantly more than a simple Shout-Out".
Those examples are not extended sequences/recreation of another work of fiction. They are just references to other works, which are shout-outs.
And can please some other tropers add their opinions here? We'll be going absolutely nowhere if it's just back-and-forth between us two.
I consider the use of the word "work" without a qualifier to be problematic here: you interpret it as that it must be a recreation of a whole work (which would be a Whole-Plot Reference). I consider a scene to be sufficient: what is important is that effort and care is put into the recreation.
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I haven't watched this film yet, I heard that it's a great film. Do you think this film would relaunch the "female superhero as lead" films after Catwoman and Elektra bombed it?
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I think this is a question more for the forum than this discussion page, which is more about the TV Trope page itself.
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Disputing these entries...before the sword's actually shown, you can see people looking at Diana's back with confusion.
- Failed a Spot Check: No one at the gala notices that Diana has a big sword tucked to her back.
- Unusually Uninteresting Sight: At the gala, Diana is simply walking round with a sword tucked in the back of her dress, not even bothering to keep her back to the walls or otherwise hide it from view. While Ludendorff himself never sees it, nobody finds it noteworthy, including the security guards that Steve and Sameer tricked just minutes prior. It does look kind of like it's part of the dress, but it would be a very strange dress.
I agree. Plenty people notice, it's just nobody dare react by the time Diana is close to Lundendorf. It might even fall in Refuge in Audacity.
- Hollywood Tactics: In the battle on the beach, the German soldiers break formation, and seldom seek cover, form squares against cavalrynote ,fix bayonets, or generally do anything to bring their overwhelming firepower advantage to bear.
- Somewhat justified in that the Germans were chasing a lone spy whose plane just crashed, and were suddenly confronted with a hail of arrows and a close-range cavalry charge while struggling to get out of their boats. All the while amazed and distracted by the sudden presence of a tropical paradise surrounded by magical fog. And there's not much cover on an open beach.
- They could have kneeled, fire from a prone position, used granades......
- The Amazons are more egregious. They shoot one - very effective - volley of arrows from the top of the cliff, then rappel down and commit to a cavalry charge and fight the Germans in close quarters. Granted, arrow volleys followed by infantry advance and cavalry charge is standard Ancient Greek tactics, but one wonders why they didn't just stay on top of the cliff and rain down arrows until most of the Germans - with no cover on an open beach - were killed, then clean up the few stragglers with the cavalry. They can clearly see the number of enemies from on top of the cliff and had no reason to get up close.
- Not to mention how potentially hazardous uneven sand can be to horses moving at a fast gallop.
- Somewhat justified in that the Germans were chasing a lone spy whose plane just crashed, and were suddenly confronted with a hail of arrows and a close-range cavalry charge while struggling to get out of their boats. All the while amazed and distracted by the sudden presence of a tropical paradise surrounded by magical fog. And there's not much cover on an open beach.
Example was turning into Conversation in the Main Page.
Have the conversation here on the discussion page, then when a description has been agreed on that doesn't turn into an argument with itself, that can be transferred back to the example list.
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Possible solution:
- Hollywood Tactics:
- In the battle on the beach, the German soldiers break formation, and don't seek to avoid fire, form squares against cavalrynote , fix bayonets, or generally do anything to bring their overwhelming firepower advantage to bear. Somewhat justified in that they were chasing a lone spy whose plane just crashed, and would have been confused by the sudden attack while struggling to get out of their boats.
- The Amazons are more egregious. They shoot one - albeit very effective - volley of arrows from the top of the cliff, then rappel down and commit to a cavalry charge and fight the Germans in close quarters. Granted, these are standard Ancient Greek tactics, but one wonders why they didn't just stay on top of the cliff and rain down arrows on the exposed Germans until most of them were killed, then clean up stragglers with the cavalry. A beach cavalry charge against a superior force is unnecessarily dangerous to troops and horse.
I would argue that Antiope is closer to Sacrificial Lamb than Sacrificial Lion. She is killed off early in the story, has a close relationship with the main character (being her mentor and her aunt) and her death serves to establish the threat of humans and the war, leading Diana to go out in the world of man, more than it serves as an emotional gut punch near the endgame.
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Two funny thoughts I had:
- The pool scene, where Diana asks about the watch, could be a double entendre. Consider that Steve thinks she's asking about his genitalia at first, and she later makes the comment "you let that little thing tell you what to do?" Or maybe I just have a dirty mind.
- Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus, god of Thunder, and her lover is Captain Kirk, son of Thor, god of Thunder. Anyone got a trope for that? Or a good 'sparks flew between them' pun?
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