Film Harry Potter Discussion

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10:48:42 AM Dec 17th 2014
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I propose we cut out the following section from Adaptation Induced Plot Hole: "Krum has Mind-Control Eyes while under the Imperius Curse in the fourth film. In the seventh film, the curse is portrayed more like in the book; the Gringotts goblin just has a vacant smile. This could be Handwave'd by the fact that it was Harry who put the goblin under the curse, and he doesn't have as much experience at casting it, so it can't exert as much control on someone as Crouch did."

I think that this is a pretty clear case of different directors using different visuals to represent the same concept. If this is a plot hole, than the centaurs' and dementors' appearances in the fifth film, as compared to their appearances in the first and third films, respectively, are as well. Granted, I would argue that both changes were unnecessary and detrimental, but that's another matter altogether.

Anyways, opinions?
01:32:35 AM Oct 14th 2013
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I think this would work better as a page image: This picture of all eight covers. The present image which is from Order of the Phoenix seems too attached to that film, and doesn't really capture the length and breadth of the films.
04:43:51 AM Oct 15th 2013
I guess you could take it to Image Picking.
08:06:48 PM Oct 15th 2013
Thank you - I wasn't sure where/how to access that.
12:58:29 AM Oct 1st 2013
As the films have been given respective pages, don't forget to add them to your watchlists!
03:46:26 PM Sep 13th 2013
A couple of entries I don't think belong here.
  • Adaptation Induced Plot Hole: The Millenium Bridge getting destroyed. The books may be set in the 90s but the films' continuity never states what decade they're in. Some of the fashions we see might suggest they're just set in the present day.

  • Adaptation Explanation Extrication: Harry and Bathilda talking. Rather than the book where Harry (and by extension the reader) hears 'Bathilda' speaking normally, we hear it as Parseltongue in the movie. The movie just turns it into Dramatic Irony where we know that something is wrong with Bathilda, but Harry doesn't.
06:48:05 AM Sep 28th 2013
Sounds reasonable.
11:19:29 AM Sep 13th 2013
I am considering making individual pages for the films. Just checking in here before I do so in case there is a reason it hasn't been done already.
11:20:25 AM Sep 13th 2013
The tropes for the films are pretty already covered by the individual book ones. I don't see how much one could put.
11:29:33 AM Sep 13th 2013
That's a valid point, but I think there's still some Fan Myopia among Potterphiles, that "everyone has read the books by now". I know lots of folks who grew up in the Harry Potter age but never read the books, but have seen the movies. So right now there isn't much that can be put on the pages, but that's where the tropes could be placed on both pages, as happens with other films of books.
11:32:18 AM Sep 13th 2013
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The standard I've seen is that if the book and the book don't differ substantially, then they share the same page. Hence why Atonement's page includes tropes from the film, versus the book Naked Lunch and the film Naked Lunch. Fan Myopia isn't really a problem if the tropers are just to going to find mostly the same thing.
12:56:33 PM Sep 13th 2013
Maybe I'll just rearrange the tropes in folders by film, that way folks don't have to read through the mess when they've only seen three of the films.
01:21:27 PM Sep 13th 2013
I'm doing that, but in a text editor rather than screwing with the page. We'll see how it works out.
03:28:38 PM Sep 13th 2013
That sounds like a better solution.
08:08:18 PM Sep 15th 2013
Sorted into better folders. Some movies have plenty to make their own pages, some don't. Work still needs to be done, but the moving around was the tough bit.
06:47:55 AM Sep 28th 2013
Okay. Each film has its own page now.
04:33:48 PM Jul 8th 2013
The list of tropes is specifically for the movies, yet I notice that several tropes are listed that also appear in the books. Here is my list of the ones that stood out to me:

Not wanting to cut all of these examples without any discussion, I decided to bring it here. I would appreciate any input onto which ones to remove, if any of them. If anyone else notices other ones, mentioning them would be appreciated.

So... Thoughts? I think that we have to do something, as we can't just keep putting tropes that appear in the books too listed here when the page specifically says the page lists only tropes appearing in the movie, but not the book.
11:54:45 AM Jan 6th 2013
In defense of the Dursley's: The Dursley's were very horrible to Harry, but think about it from their perspective. One day a powerful and imposing wizard shows up and tells Petunia Lilly and her wizard husband were murdered by another wizard because of this child, now keep this child in your house. The poor Dursley's are essentially held hostage in their own house by forces beyond their control. They were forced to put their own lives, and the life of THEIR child in danger as human shields to protect Harry, who himself is a danger to them. Imagine the fear and guilt Petunia had for bringing this down on her husband and child. They were told to protect Harry, and they knew that protecting Harry also protected them and their child. They didn’t understand and just knew that magic could get their whole family murdered. From their perspective they were right to do everything they could to make sure that Harry stayed hidden in the house, and that he didn't believe in magic, and that he didn't know how his parents died and that he didn't go to Hogwarts. They were also ordered to never tell Harry the truth, so they couldn’t explain to him that letting him out in public could get them all murdered, that him practicing magic could get them all murdered, that him stepping outside of the house could get them all murdered. They must have lived under a constant Traumatic Stress Disorder, I mean this magical stuff busts into their house whenever it wants to, Marge gets magicked, Dudley gets demented, Dobby shows up and ruins Vernon's big career move, and in the end they have to go into hiding because their lives ARE in danger. You know whenever something magical happened in the house, even just Harry practicing with his wand they were like "OH SHIT THIS IS IT WE'RE GONNA DIE!” Those poor people.
04:41:51 PM Jul 8th 2013
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I can understand the confusion, though. In the future, please use Discussion to talk about problems with a page, settle disputes, to ask people if something belongs or not, or other similar things.
01:57:39 PM Oct 16th 2012
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Fake Brit?

Though J. K. Rowling insisted that she would use an all-British cast, Evanna Lynch is Irish though Luna is not. This caused Rhys Ifans (who is Welsh and, subsequently, British) to adopt a more Irish accent to fit with that of his on-screen daughter.
  • Emma Watson (Hermione Granger) is French, also, but moved to England aged five or six.
10:34:52 PM Sep 9th 2012
What's a numpty?
11:02:28 AM Aug 5th 2011
I was rewatching the entire series again, and it just hit me... Snape can fit perfectly within both Anti-Villain and Anti-Hero, but I'm having trouble putting him into either category, and, if he is either one, what level he would be. I also realized that Harry, Ron, and Hermionie would also be borderline Anti-Hero material, because they have done stuff that was clearly against Wizarding law and would be punishable to the fullest extent of said law in order to put a stop to Voldemort throughout the course of the series.
05:07:30 PM Aug 5th 2011
As far as I can tell, Snape would probably fit better as an Anti-Hero than an Anti-Villain during the main timeline of the movies/books. He WAS on the good side all along, even if his undercover-position forced him to do pretty horrible things (idly sitting by and letting his friend and co-worker get murdered, for example). As for the Anti-Hero-scale, I'd say type III or IV, depending on how much responsibility/blame you put on Dumbledore for orchestrating the grand plan that Snape was following.

He would, perhaps, qualify as an Anti-Villain during the Death Eater-period in his past with his love for Lily being a redeeming quality.

As for the main Trio, I don't think they qualify. Breaking rules definitely puts them in Neutral Good-territory rather than Lawful good, but that doesn't automatically make them morally questionable in the sense Anti-Heroes are supposed to be. Besides, their most serious crimes (breaking into the ministery and later Gringotts, etc) are comitted when the wizarding government has collapsed into a muggleborn-hunting inquisition run by Voldemort's puppet. Apart from that, most of the rules they are breaking are school regulations and instructions from teachers, etc. So yeah, they do break a lot of rules, but they do few morally questionable things to cement them as Anti-Heroes.

That's my take on it, anyway. :)