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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
May 10th 2021 at 4:05:45 AM •••

Removed from main page, as there is a cleanup effort on Jossed underway and I am not sure what to do with this entry:

  • All There in the Script: There is much confusion naturally surrounding the actual name of the film's Narrator (as opposed to his twist identity). Many believe it is Jack due to his repeated use of the phrase "I am Jack's...", but is arguable that he only uses the moniker Jack because that was the one he saw in "Annotated Reader". Additionally, the press packages released for the movie, the back of the DVD, the DVD booklet,note  and the original screenplay also refer to him as "Jack."
    • On the other hand, this is frequently Jossed in other materials. The DVD Closed Captioning say Rupert (one of the fake names he uses to stay anonymous at support groups), the source material says "I am Joe's..." instead, and Chuck Palahniuk has announced he will be called "Cornelius" (another support group name) in the sequel. In the sequel, the Narrator has adopted the name Sebastian, but it's implied it's not his real name.
      • Reader's Digest actually had a series of articles about the organs of a man named Joe, all written in the first person. So it's not a reveal as much as a cryptic reference.
    • Infuriatingly, in his commentary track Ed Norton mentions all this confusion, then says the character had a real name, which he knew - and he doesn't reveal it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
NOTLD Since: May, 2012
May 16th 2012 at 3:21:05 PM •••

No doubt The Narrator is an Antihero Type I, but wouldn't Tyler be an Antihero Type IV? He isn't really a bad guy. He just doesn't give a shit about what everybody thinks is right or wrong. But he doesn't kill anybody, he just blows some shit up and scares the hell out of some people. The only guy who dies in this film, had the time of his pathetic and miserable life before that... and Tyler didn't kill him, some cop did. So, do I change Type V to Type IV?

Madcapunlimited Since: Feb, 2011
Nov 23rd 2011 at 5:51:00 AM •••

This is one of my favorite movies and it seems to have some controversial points of view between different people on this site. Specifically- how can Tyler be both an Uber Mensh and a Nietzsche Wannabe. My taking of the movie was ALWAYS that it followed the Camel/Lion/Child path laid out in Thus Spake Zarathustra:

-Narrator at the beginning is the Camel (Burden of following values). -Meets Tyler, becomes the Lion (destroyer of outdated values) towards his old Life. -Figures out that in becoming the Lion towards his old life he's become the Camel to Tyler's world view. -Becomes the Lion to Tyler's World View -Attempts to kill self, becomes The Child (Creator of his own values)

People get upset because Tyler rages against corporate control and the taming of the American male and then trying to replace it with Anarchy. That's sort of the point isn't it? Because the narrator is STILL following until he actually turns on Tyler, he doesn't become complete until he forges his own (Tyler Free path). I don't think the point is "without corporations there is anarchy" or something like that... but somehow people watch this movie and come out thinking Status Quo is (a good) god

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Lost in Space
Dec 24th 2010 at 7:55:45 PM •••

Algonquin Moose, why do you think the Paranoia Fuel entry needs spoiler tags? If you refuse to discuss it and keep edit warring with me, moderator action will be taken.

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Crowbar Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 4th 2010 at 12:38:23 AM •••

  • Palahniuk/Durden are not the first to point out that the upper classes truly are dependent on the middle and lower classes. Camille Paglia once even called the upper-class parasitic, pointing out that, sans poolboy and so forth, many rich people would be helpless. In a vacuum money is useless. There are a lot of people that do a lot of jobs that you never SEE them doing, but if they didn't show up for work you'd feel it. Take it from a truck driver.

I think this should be removed from the Misaimed Fandom section. It's kind of missing the point to bellow about how the rich are parasites completely dependent on the working classes for everything...just underneath the comment pointing out that it isn't the point of the movie.

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