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Fan Fic The Conversion Bureau Discussion
Why isn't the original author (Blaze) listed anywhere on the page? I understand it's a shared universe, but the first sentence is about the original story.
Okay, is there a trope for this?
In The Other Side of the Spectrum, the group Ponies for Human Life (PHL) started out as a non-violent protest group, then moved into sabotage and then finally became a full-blown army.
- Its All About Me: Chatoyance is extremely self-centered about her works, her fanon and even the genre itself.
- In this blog post
, Chatoyance officially gives permission for others to use her setting in their stories. However, she states that what she has written is what she considers a detailed umbrella codification of the Conversion Bureau universe.
It isn't the 'Chatoyance' version of the Conversion Bureau, not to me. It's just the Conversion Bureau Universe. - Around the Bend purports to explain the differences between the first and second season of the show. Instead, Chatoyance uses the setting presented in her own stories as the original, genuine version of Equestria, and explains why the show differs from it.
- After Blaze was interviewed by the Pony Fiction Vault, Chatoyance interviewed herself for them, with an introductory header bemoaning her lack of celebrity status, and openly disparaging the intelligence of the fandom for their failure to give the Conversion Bureau genre as a whole proper recognition.
- The opening couple paragraphs of the interview practically worship her works as a world-building masterpiece, praising it much more thoroughly than most Pony Fiction Vault interviews praise the works of those they interview, while giving a Take That to season 2 for not being good enough for the "Chatoyaverse."
- She has claimed that her works are closer to "Lauren Faust's original vision" than the show itself is.
To those that read my stories here on FimFiction, I want to make it clear that my Equestria is my best understanding of Lauren Faust's vision
- This blog post supposedly states what is and what is not a Conversion Bureau story. However, the way that it is written makes it seem like the only "true" Conversion Bureau are the ones that she likes. In addition, there is a Take That towards people who write TCB War Fics or other such stories.
- In this blog post
Ehh, it's all true but let's keep it off the main page.
Aaand, looks like we've got another apologist putting in justifications and justifying edits while referring to it as removing natter and "balance", who has, according to edit history, come to the wiki exclusively for the Conversion Bureau.
Anybody volunteering to look through and fix (possibly by just deleting the entries with justifying edits alltogether, which would admittedly leave a very short page)?
Chatoyance claims her TCB stories are about Transhumanism. Would this fit under:
Hey, ya'll think Blackmesh Security is an expy of Blackwater?
So I rewrote the lead section to better summarize the series.
I don't quite like the misanthropy paragraph, but I couldn't figure out how to mention TCB's bad reputation without being quite that biased. Maybe someone could improve that, though.
Thoughts?
Can anyone point me to where the request leading to the recent changes to the main and quotes pages was made?
To answer my own question, there hasn't been one.
Alumnus' six-day-long editing history has been spent changing entries on the Conversion Bureau pages to be entirely positive – especially ones relating to JDR – and he's straight out replacing negative or critical entries on the quotations page with ones of lofty praise.
He's almost certainly somebody from FimFiction's Conversion Bureau group, seeing as he replaced Dalek Ix's quote with a post JDR made there only a few minutes earlier.
has been spent changing entries on the Conversion Bureau pages to be entirely positive – especially ones relating to JDR – and he's straight out replacing negative or critical entries on the quotations page with ones of lofty praise.
He's almost certainly somebody from FimFiction's Conversion Bureau group, seeing as he replaced Dalek Ix's quote with a post JDR made there only a few minutes earlier.
I really want to say this about Chatoyance but I know it contravenes Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement... even if from my encounters with her and from reports by other people, these appear to be true.
- Small Name Big Ego: She's one of the most popular and well known Conversion Bureau authors. However, she has a a grossly overinflated sense of self-importance. See the section Its All About Me for details.
- Narcissist: Interviewing yourself and heaping praise on your own work is pretty damn narcissistic.
I like to read this trope page, since I don't follow ponies nor read any works, perhaps it's Bile Fascination, but I found something: Is Chatoyance this person?
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Having seen the fandom (both pro and con) of TCB as well as having read some of the stories (pro and con, including the vile ones by JDR), I have this to say:
Corrections, comments?
- Demonization: Occurs in-universe and out-of-universe.
- In-universe: The HLF are shown as bloodthirsty, xenophobic savages. The ponies, and especially the PER, are shown as utterly uncaring conquerors with zero empathy or respect for human life or free will.
- Out-of-universe: TCB fans and authors have been depicted as insane misanthropes who genuinely want the ponies to wipe out humanity. On the other side of the coin, those who don't like TCB are depicted as either Hate Dumb who don't like show or idealists who don't really understand human nature.
Corrections, comments?
In Tales of Los Pegasus, the potion is stated to set the drinker's sexual orientation to pansexual.
It's already mentioned in the YMMV page under Unfortunate Implications.
What trope would the potion fit under?
Cure Your Gays
Het Is Ew
Bury Your Gays
There are a lot of things that I feel that are wrong with the tropes associated with the original story. Some of these tropes are more about the Conversion Bureau Universe in General rather than the original story. Before trying to make these changes myself, I feel that it's best to discuss which tropes belong in the original story and which ones belong in the general so there wouldn't be an edit war or Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement. Here's a few that I believed that belonged in the general or should have their explanation changed:
- (This should be changed or added while the current explanation should be moved to the General)Humans Are The Real Monsters: In the original, Celestia discuss one of the world leaders about why she wouldn't allow humans into the their world without being ponified, this is one of her reasons.
- (Not sure if this should be moved) Not Himself: This doesn't happen seem to happened, at least not the way I've read in the first part of the story. Despite Twilight's quote, the characters themselves still seemed to be themselves, everyone else actually go through classes so they can understand pony society more there's no brainwashing happening in there. It's more or less like learning about different cultures of other lands. In fact the main character and his friend are brought into Equestria without the teaching by the mane cast after being ponified to figure out the humans' reasoning for trying to get through the barrier without becoming one of them and how to deal with them. The real conflict in this story is that if humans can turn people into ponies then humans can find a way to get combat the barrier. The main characters and the mane cast must either prevent an all out war or get ready for it.
- (Should be changed or added and duplicated)The Sadistic Choice: The current explanation and the general conception of the expanding deadly magical barriar is probably due to people misinterpreting Twilight's phrase of "becoming a pony is crucial to expanding the peaceful, friendly aura that surrounds Equestria every day of every month of every year." I think the 'peaceful, friendly aura' she was talking was more about figuratively (it was actually more about the figurative atmosphere of Equestria) rather than literally. The real part of The Sadistic Choice is deciding to whether or not to stay in a dying world as a human or become a pony so you can live with both worlds. There's no danger of losing your personality since Everfree forest is still just as dangerous as ever. I'm sure that sounds like it has nothing to do with my point but it's just a little evidence to prove that there's no need for the ponies to alter someone's personality to be a more submissive if there are still monsters around. Look, the point is that The Sadistic Choice is more about losing your body and culture rather than losing your mind or die pointlessly as the world itself dies apparently.
- (Should be added) Scary Dogmatic Ponies: Just an addition, Celestia points out to the leader of the United States that she did trusted the humans once but the mixed reaction and backlash from doing so made her believed that all humans are evil and so does almost all of equestria. Meaning this could be a justification for why ponies hate humans or a discussed trope about why ponies believed that all Humans Are The Real Monsters. Although Celestia also tells the leader that the ponification is mostly for the humans who symphasized with the ponies but it's not like she enjoys doing all of this.
- (Not sure if this should be moved) MST: This trope really belongs in the general reaction because it is more about them than the original story. The moral issues are mostly discussed through the story. This is also the kind of trope that I feel it should be moved to the General section but shouldn't due to that could be the reason why people are hesitant to read the original.
- (Should be changed and duplicated)Les Collaborateurs: Actually (like I've been saying in this entire post) Celestia has a conversation with the leader of the United States, so it's more like they have little or some interest in stopping what the ponies are doing rather than none. The current description is more for the general stories.
- New Trope For The General Section= Advancing Wall Of Doom: Basically this is what writers and JDR got from Twilight's quote about the "friendly" aura, and is making the barrier take over Earth while in the original it's actually stationary. I don't think Blaze would make Twilight joke about the only reason people came to be ponified is because they have "a gun pointed to their head." I'm pretty sure choosing to be ponified because of a deadly barrier to humans qualifies as a gun pointed to their head.
I added Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement tags mainly because I've seen conversations about these fics (and JDR) get really nasty.
Because this particular work tends to arouse strong emotions, especially with regards to the author JDR, please keep Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement in mind.
Because this particular work tends to arouse strong emotions, especially with regards to the author JDR, please keep Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement in mind.
YMMV articles
- Canon Defilement: How some of the fanbase feel about this 'verse. And we will say no more about this.
- Complaining About People Not Liking The Show: It occurs. Let's leave it at that.
- Fan Hater: These people exist. Let's leave it at that.
- The Scrappy: Deserved or not, The Conversion Bureau has a reputation as one of the most hated MLP:FiM fanfics around. No additional detail is needed.
Main Article
- Mad Artist: This accusation has been leveled at JDR. No elaboration is necessary.
Alright, seriously guys. This is out of control. You may not like JDR, I'm not crazy about her myself, but let's try to keep the tropes focused on the works and not on the author?
What can I say about the fic and its spinoffs being Canon Defilement?
Okay, these tropes need expansion:
Original
- Cant Argue With Ponies (Cant Argue With Elves)
- Scary Dogmatic Ponies (Scary Dogmatic Aliens)
JDR
I'm looking at these tropes, and whatever the ponies opinions about the human race this seems like a massive attempt to paint the ponies black.
Genocide? Sounds more like an extinction event that the ponies are trying to insure some or everyone survives.
And there's plenty of sci-fi that involves humanity becoming something new. So it's an equine instead of energy
The fact that the potion modifies the mind and that the ponified must abandon their country and culture makes it Genocide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide
Should we add a separate section for especially notable TCB fics, like Ten Minutes/Ten Rounds, Not Alone and The First year?
On FimFiction, there seem to be a substantial Hatedom for the The Conversion Bureau. Should I count it?
I thought I'd make this. Granted, the Humans Are Bastards setting upsets me, but giving how many fics this thing spawned, I figured it deserved an article.
Though the problem is, my articles are not that great, if someone could clean it up and add tropes, I'd appreciate it.