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"everybody accepted" Lisa becoming a Buddhist? all Marge did was either punish her for it "Buddhists don't get any dessert" or make really ignorant comments "Is this about some boy who doesn't like you?"

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I have just altered the above offending example so that it reads "the writers went with an Everybody Laughs ending, with many characters finding the whole thing hilarious." What I removed, which I did because it makes for an untrue sentence when included, is the following, which was written in the above sentence where "many characters" is now: "everyone - even Homer himself, who thought he was going to die for a murder he didn't commit-"

I have another idea: show the scene where Homer beats up the TV. "Stupid TV! BE MORE FUNNY!"

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• Here's another thing that was wrong with that episode. I know we already discussed the whole "secret depression" thing the Simpson women seem to have going for them on the It Just Bugs Me! page (with the exception of Maggie, of course), but this particular part of the episode still just bugged me. Where were Marge's parents? Shouldn't they have been around to, I don't know, reprimand Patty and Selma for picking on little Marge just because they could? Or what, did Patty and Selma brainwash their parents into thinking that they're perfect angels who can never do any wrong? And if that's the case, how did I miss that class?

• I don't remember what the episode is called, but the plot has Lisa taking a test and completely spacing on all the answers. At the end Skinner shows up and says the test is meaningless (this isn't the bad part, just a quick explaination of the episode). Right after this he also decides to lift the previously unmentioned ban on dancing and everyone dances. Note to the writers: We all know Family Guy has been shamelessly copying you for years, but that doesn't mean you should try to copy them. Throwing a completely irrelevant joke in for the hell of it works for them (well... kinda), but it's far above a show that has been a success for as long as you.
  • I actually liked the episode, or at least the plot with Skinner, Bart, and the other kids. With the Lisa plot, I just thought that was bad, and was waiting for the moment where Lisa would give in and cheat. But no. She just angsted throughout the time she could have spent innocently cheating over the fear that she might lose her loner status.
• The episode where Alan Moore and some other guys guest star. No, the Alan Moore part was awesome. What WASN'T awesome was the cutaway gag of Homer saying "Mmmm...porkpies." Not only was this joke not funny but, considering that the creators hate everything having to do with Family Guy, using a cutaway gag this late in the game seems lazy and stupid.
  • The Simpsons has been using "cutaway" gags since the beginning. In particular, some Season 4 episodes have almost as many cutaways as the average Family Guy episode. They haven't used them for so long, though, that it does feel awkward when they do it these days.
• What did it for me is the episode about gay marriage. The entire plot was a device solely to lead to a single political statement. If I want a political cartoon, I'll turn to the newspaper, thank you.
• Homer's Odyssey, way back in Season 1. I know Matt Groening lists it as one of his favorite episodes, but I find it unwatchably awful. The animation is hideous (even for Season 1 standards), the idea of Homer committing suicide is uncomfortable, and the third act is stupid (must be a slow news week if Homer can be up on the front page for a week for putting up road signs).
• For this troper it was the episode "Papa Don't Leech", where Lurleen returns that represented another very annoying Flanderization of Marge. While it's entirely justified for Marge to be more than a bit apprehensive about Homer's past relationship with Lurleen and the fact that Homer basically kept her in the dark about it, she begins acting like a four year-old about it and not the mature, balanced character that basically every previous episode had shown her to be. Both extreme Character Derailment and Flanderization of Marge from the meek housewife into the petulant, jealous woman the writers seem to be making her into.
  • From the same episode, we get the part where Homer dreams about smothering his father to death instead of dialing 911, after they have a car crash in which both are only slightly injured. Homer comes across as a Complete Monster rather than the character we loved for seasons past.
    • Come on! It was just a dream! One could interpret it as a nightmare of Homer's, or that the dream was originally a lot more gruesome, and that Homer is trying to self-censor it with slight injuries. But hey, you can believe Homer's a Complete Monster if you want. I just think he was having a VERY weird dream.
• In the episode where they go to New York to retrieve their car, whilst Homer was trying to get the car back, the family decides to go sightseeing in New York. They were walking in Chinatown and something caught Lisa's attention. It was a couple of dead rabbits hanging next to the window on display. And Lisa asks and I quote, 'Mom, are those rabbits dead?' To which Marge replies, "No, no, Lisa they're just sleeping, upside down and inside out'. Ok, I understand this little scenario was played for laughs but a couple of things.
  • 1. It wasn't funny. Upside down and inside out? That's the joke?
    • The joke is Marge's inability to white-wash the sight with an off-the-shelf "only sleeping", and the manner in which this fact gradually dawns on her even as she attempts to maintain the lie.
  • 2. Lisa of all people asks if they were dead? You're kidding right? Lisa Simpson, the brains of the family, a child with a high IQ who will at one point even become a member of Mensa in Springfield, doesn't know that yes, if something is hanging on display at a butchers and completly skinned, ready to be sold as meat, it is generally DEAD.
• Two words: "Simpson Gene". That is to say, from the episode "Lisa the Simpson". Basically, it's a hereditary condition throughout the extensive (if only seen in that particular episode) family, which, on the surface, erodes the intelligence as they get older (God only knows what happens in severe cases). Lisa spends the whole episode worried she'll wind up a dumb imbecile like her father, and questioning whether or not it really exists. So where's the dethronement? In the last minutes of the episode, when she learns that it does exist, but it's only on the Y-chromosome, meaning only men will have their intelligence slowly rot away. Meanwhile, Bart, who only had a passing interest in this, is distraught by this, because he legitimately has a right to be concerned for his future as a man, but who cares?! Lisa's now able to solve that brain teaser from earlier in the episode and can rest easy knowing she'll be o~kay. Yippie!!!
  • Also in the episode where the family goes on vacation to England, Homer learns he has a half-sister named Abby. While there is no evidence to suggest she is stupid, she does not seem like a rocket scientist.
  • The worst thing by far about that episode is the fact that Lisa spends her whole time resenting Homer for giving her the gene, and never learns. The episode seemed perfectly set up for a moment where Lisa realizes that she loves Homer regardless, and could say a "even though being your daughter made me stupid, I'm still proud that you're my dad" speech that the writers are capable of making heartwrenchingly touching, and learn that there are far worse things than being cursed with stupidity, and being sorry for poor Bart; Lisa is consoled ONLY by the revelation that only the men get stupid. That's ALL that makes her happy. Doesn't matter that her father loves her or went through all this trouble for her, her love for him is conditional until she finds out she won't be stupid. Way to go, little misandrist jerk.
  • The casual misandry in her actions left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
    • It's not really misandry on Lisa's part as much as pure selfishness. The writers on the other hand...
  • For this troper, the episode generated a second dethroning moment of suck later on, with the revelation that there are no genes on the Y Chromosome. The sole purpose for its existence is to produce maleness, and anyone who's taken high school biology should know that. If there were important genes on the Y Chromosome, all women would miss out on important genetic traits, and that doesn't happen. It's a pretty obvious scientific fuck-up that pours salt on the wound even further on this terrible episode.
    • The very reason the Y-chromosome is sex-determining is because of the sex determining genes on it, so claiming that they got it wrong, because there are no genes on Y.. well, actually you got it wrong, there are 86 genes on the Y-chromosome. Perhaps we could fan-wank that one of the ones that deal in sperm production is faulty and the resultant "flawed" protein somehow interferes with proper neural function?
    • ...what? As the above troper said, yes, there are in fact genes on the Y chromosome. If there weren't, it would in no way "produce maleness" as it would do nothing. In fact, there have been cases where people had a defective Y chromosome that did not contain the SRY gene, and you know what? They developed as completely normal females.
• The episode "Once Upon a Time in Springfield", but only for the plot's sudden shift from "Krusty trying to get his show the way it was" to a romantic plot that comes out of nowhere and has no foreshadowing. Then Krusty breaks up with his would-be wife because every wife he had started to hate him... but then they get back together? And the worst part is, nothing about the Krusty show is resolved (and as of this writing the episode, the next one hasn't aired yet), so... status quo isn't God? If not, then what was up with all the snap backs in previous episodes? (Great Pikmin Fan)
  • The DMOS for this troper came during this episode. I've taken a lot of crap from the Simpsons over the years, including the atrocious "Dude, Where's My Ranch", but this episode....this episode had a moment that topped them all. "BEFORE HER UNTIMELY DEATH, EARTHA KITT RECORDED..." For God's sake, that's the most graceful way you could do that line? Either have Eartha Kitt as a character saying that line or leave the line out and dedicate the episode to her, don't shove that....GARBAGE in our faces. How much are these writers getting paid?
• Maude. Flanders'. Death. In a terrible stupid way, in a terribly unfunny episode to boot. Couldn't see the series with the same eyes anymore.
• The episode "Bye Bye Nerdie", the one where the female bully beats up Lisa. The fact that they made her aggressive behavior based on scent was obnoxious and insulting, and just plain dumb. So apparently, bullies have an instinctive desire to beat up nerds? Even though Bart is not a nerd, and he still gets relentlessly picked on. (We're looking at you, The Boys of Bummer)
• Now that this troper thinks about it, "The Boys of Bummer" was a Dethroning Moment, too (or at least a very big Wall Banger, not that it would alleviate anything). Just like "What Makes Bobby Run?" (the King Of The Hill episode with the whole mascot fiasco), I just couldn't stand seeing the torment Bart went through. There's Serious Business, and then there's freakin' psychopathy.
  • Yeah, that episode was TERRIBLE. I mean, what? Okay, they lost the baseball game because of him, and it might have been avoidable, but do you really need to start to act like the Third World War broke out because of that? Not to mention, in another episode, when Marge says that she loves baseball during a town meeting, the citizens boo her out. CAN YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND, DAMMIT?
  • Also the citizens of Springfield continue to boo out Bart after he tried to commit suicide and ended up in the hospital. Good grief.

    • Oh boy! Glad I'm not the only one who hated that episode! I'm generally extremely forgiving about even the most hated moments in Simpsons history (even Principal And The Pauper had some funny moments, and that Ke$ha opening didn't anger me the way it did most people, though it certainly did throw me for a loop). But this episode just went WAAAAYYYYYYY TOO far; while a character getting that much abuse over something so minor wouldn't have looked so out place on Family Guy (I could totally see that sort of thing happening with Chris), The Cleveland Show (with Cleveland Jr.) or American Dad (with Steve) heck I pretty much expect that sort of thing on those shows, as it fits right in with their humor style, but on the Simpsons it just looked so incredibly out of place and contrived that it made the whole episode difficult to sit through, and it's one episode I flat out refuse to EVER watch again for as long I live. Oh yeah and after the long and incredibly unfunny scene of Bart repeatedly trying to hit the ball, the writers just had to throw in one last wallbanging moment with a really lame flash-forward joke. Way to go writers! I sincerely hope that this show will never sink as low as this episode did.

• The ending to the episode "Miracle on Evergreen Terrace". The citizens of Springfield rob the Simpson family blind and steal everything in their house, except for a dirty napkin... And there's no explanation for them to get everything back by the next episode. The episode just ends with the family inside their empty house, with their possessions back in the very next episode with no explanation. This episode was so bad, it actually drove me to tears, and made me swear off watching the show almost permanently.
  • I was young when I saw that, and while I still like the show, I remember hating the ENTIRE SUPPORTING CAST for that for a long time.
• "The Principal and the Pauper". Skinner having a Dark and Troubled Past as a street punk Armin Tamzarian who stole the identity of the real Seymour Skinner. Mrs. Skinner not realizing he wasn't her son, even though he doesn't resemble the real Skinner. Not to mention it completely contradicts "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish", where we saw Skinner's father who looks like the Skinner we grew up with. The saddest part is, it was completely unnecessary. They could have easily given him a past as a street punk without CHUCKING HIS COMPLETE HISTORY OUT THE WINDOW. To add insult to injury, the show pulls an In-Universe Status Quo Is God. It's like the writers knew the episode was ridiculous and had to cover their butts.
  • In my opinion, the saddest part was the other Skinner's fate. Black comedy, only without the comedy.
  • How about the fact that they gave the "real" Skinner the Principal's job. Why? The man is a total stranger! Sure the "original" Skinner wasn't very good, but that's an established element of the show.
  • For what it's worth, it's strongly implied that Mrs. Skinner does realize he's a fake. Seymour isn't really her son, by telling him where his bedroom is when he clearly doesn't know. She probably just wanted a more subservient son, and then repeats the lie to herself so often that she thinks it's true, which is why she's shocked when the real Seymour returns.
  • Actually, after listening to the DVD Commentary this episode had a bit of Fridge Brilliance. The episode is about a group of people who don't want things to change and get angry when a small facet of their lives was seemingly randomly changed, and then all collectively decide to forget it when the problem goes away. After the episode aired, a group of people who didn't want things to change got angry when a small facet of their lives was seemingly randomly changed, and then all collectively forgot it. The episode, as the writer Ken Keeler put it, was about the people who hated it. Still wasn't a funny episode, though.
    • So they shit all over their established character rather than have any sort of organic growth, in order to mock their audience when they're called on it?
    • Well, Ken Keeler specifically was targeting the more obsessive members of the fanbase from what I can recall in the commentary. And besides, the point (so far as there can be said to be a point) of the episode was that there was no character growth or change in it; that's why there's a big universal reset at the end of the episode. In-verse, Skinner is still Skinner because everyone collectively decided that he was (not counting the "real" Skinner, of course). No dynamic in the series was changed by the revelation, and besides for a few continuity jokes later in the series, it's never acknowledged as having happened. The change to Skinner's character is inconsequential and hasn't affected the show in any way outside of the one episode, but it got everyone mad anyway. And continues to do so. Granted, the episode was still terrible for other reasons, not the least of which was its complete lack of jokes.
• Those of you who are not from the lovely but obscure country of New Zealand have little reason to know this, but the episode where Lisa befriends a girl named Juliet is based on an incident that happened in my home town. Two girls met, made friends, created a fantasy world together, and then murdered one of their mothers with a brick in a sock. I personally do not think this is funny. The episode was probably parodying the Peter Jackson movie, Heavenly Creatures, which I haven't seen, but yeah, still not funny. I'll take a lot from a show, but that whole thing kinda got to me. There was actually a point towards the beginning where I seriously wondered if they were going to try and kill Marge.
  • Fortunately, there was no killing of Marge. Unfortunately, there was demonization of Homer (i.e., turning him into an ogre). Uh, Lisa, is there something you're not telling us?
  • I got hugely annoyed at the end of the episode where Lisa mocks her friend crazy when she tries to reassure her that a dreamworld is better than sticking up with the Crapsack World. So, they just ignore the fact that Lisa agreed with her and enjoyed it about 90% of the time? And the cruel and immature way that Lisa disowned her with. God, I just wanted to punch her to the face after that. They tried to get a "Too much daydreaming is bad for you" message across, but to my ears it sounded like "Life and world sucks, if you try to cope with it by fantasies you are stupid and insane" after that scene.
• Although the movie wasn't that bad, I would like to ponder what sort of real life super-dense black hole of an Idiot Ball the writers were tossing around when they decided that showing us Bart's weiner was a good idea.
  • My question is NOT "Who said 'let's show Bart's penis'?", but rather, "Who heard 'let's show Bart's penis' and said, 'YES!'"
• The extended musical couch gag for the 2010 episode "To Surveil With Love." Sounds like an interesting idea, right? Not when the chosen track is "Tik Tok" by Kesha.
• Homer the Heretic, from season 4. Everyone turns on Homer the minute he decides to change his faith. Everyone tries to pressure him into going back. Marge even goes so far as to imply she is beginning to love him less. The message of the episode seems to be that the only acceptable belief systems are mainstream ones. Sure, you could argue that Homer's motives for changing belief system (i.e, not having to get up for church in the morning) are poor at best, but the fact that when he does return to church he doesn't change at all as a character - he's asleep during the sermon in the next shot - completely undermines this. He didn't become better or worse for going to church. Hell, earlier in the episode he made a compelling argument (admittedly, in a dream and to God) about loving his wife and kids, despising the banality of the sermons, hating having to spend his days off doing things he hates for no discernible reason, and how he should be able to worship God in his own way. He never really goes against God. He even becomes more spiritual after his change! Springfield just goes against him for not conforming! If you change it to him, say, becoming an atheist instead, the suckiness of the episode becomes so much clearer - Springfield is prejudiced, but that's A-OK!
  • For a DMOS from that episode, this troper votes for this line from Lisa, as it is now an in-show "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, since we all agreed that "She of Little Faith" is a DMOS:
  "Why are you [Homer] dedicating your life to blasphemy?"
  • This coming from the little girl who abandons an entire religion just because the local church in one small town in the third largest country in the world (or fourth, depending on who you ask) was filled with tacky modern conveniences. Yeah, that has faith written all over it.
• "The Homer They Fall"... Not only do the bullies get away with stealing Bart's Star Trek belt, but the lousy storyline is dropped after one act. Screw Homer boxing, I wanna see Bart get some damn justice!
• "Million Dollar Abie". Not only was the first act a proto Boys of Bummer (Grandpa accidentally gets Springfield's chances of Pro Football ruined and everybody hates him, to the point where Firemen throw him into a building fire), but the part where Grandpa tries to commit suicide was simply disgusting. Why the writers think that trying to play suicide for laughs is a good idea is beyond me. Finally, we have this completely unnecessary third act where Grandpa becomes a Matador, and Lisa turns on him for killing bulls. He frees the bulls who beat the shit out of a bunch of people. Episode over. This episode honestly made me feel miserable after watching it.
• While the episode as a whole is a classic in all terms of the word (not to mention my personal favourite), Marge's side story in You Only Move Twice rather annoyed me. Is Marge completely incapable of leaving the house once her housework is done? She's in a whole new town, why not go enjoy herself? Maybe make the friends you couldn't because you were too busy cleaning!
  • That might be more of a Wall Banger than a true DMOS, but you're right. Marge's obsession with housework is a little ridiculous even for a TV show character. Case in point, "Skinner's Sense of Snow", where she says watching the female contortionists assume their unique positions gave her ideas...for housework. I hate to sound mean, but why do I get the feeling that if Marge were in the same situation as Cinderella, she'd be happy about it?
    • Let's see now. Ugly sisters bullying her throughout her childhood, a missing father, an apathetic mother. Though there was no fairy godmother or glass slippers and instead of a handsome prince, she got an incompetent, lazy husband.
• This troper stopped watching the Simpsons entirely with Season 13 Episode 21 episode: "The Frying Game." Best summary of that episode: a reason is concocted for Homer and Marge to go to jail. They strap Homer to the electric chair and get ready to throw the SWITCH... and the episode implodes. It's revealed immediately that everything that they went through in this episode was part of a REALITY SHOW, starring Carmen Electra! Wow! What a waste of time! Long story short: haven't watched the Simpsons since. THE SIMPSONS: 1989 - 5/19/02 RIP.
• A combination of this and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The episode, in which Homer decides to get a new job so he can fly with private jets. He proceeds to drive to work, only to drive past and stay the entire day at Krusty Burger. Maybe my expectations were a little - no wait - way too high, but This troper thought they actually wrote an interesting plot again, finally recovering from the Seasonal Rot and showing the viewer something challenging and intelligent for once. Yeah, it sounds stupid and over the top, but the way they played it made it look really promising. Then we discover that Homer didn't get the job at all because he (who would have thought) acted like an idiot, and it becomes your typical and forgetable Simpsons episode as we've seen it so many times before in the newer seasons. Thanks, Groening, for building up my hopes for a decent episode, just so you can crush them.
• "The Bob Next Door", featuring Sideshow Bob, reveals that he escaped from prison by...switching faces with his cell mate. Seriously. He only uses a textbook for teaching, and uses crude equipment to do it. He just cuts off both their faces and stitches them on. No copious bleeding, no infections, no issues relating to real face transplants (only one of which has been done). This might've been good as a joke in a Halloween special, but it's taken seriously in a regular episode. I'd call it jarring, but I'm afraid of insulting jars.
  • This troper was very disappointed in that episode. Let me put it this way: for me, the gross-out humor was to such a degree that I couldn't tell if I was watching The Simpsons or South Park.
• This Take That! moment in The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show was when this troper, a long time and diehard Simpsons fan, decided he was no longer a fan.
  Bart: Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you have to complain?
  Comic Book Guy: As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me.
  Bart: What? They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them.
  Comic Book Guy: (pauses) Worst episode ever.
  • Sure, writer guys. We owe you. That "thousands of hours of entertainment for free" claim rings hollow when I'm positive your yearly pay has at least one number more than the average fan.
    • Never mind that the viewers are the ones who've made the ratings so high in the first place, allowing the producers to charge a king's ransom to companies who want commercial time. Oh, and what about the sheer amound of merchandise fans buy? Board games, video games, books, T-shirts, school supplies, food, and God knows what else. The Simpsons shills itself to an extent that would embarass the creator of Garfield.
      • Mike Scully was asked about this exact line in an interview and claimed to be mystified by how fans could have any justification in being upset by anything the show's staff did. It wasn't aimed at Fan Dumb in particular, it was directed to basically anyone who has disliked a production decision on a favorite tv show, ever. I actually thought the joke was funny when I first saw the episode, but after hearing Mike Scully (the man who nearly killed the Simpsons) petulant explanation I wasn't laughing any longer.
• While most of the Homer getting mutilated jokes in the later seasons were pretty bad, Homer getting his intestines ripped out by a badger in "A Tale Of Two Springfields" was just the worst in my opinion. This isn't South Park or Family Guy where characters can be messily killed only to come back later, Homer isn't Kenny, the regular episodes of the Simpsons are supposed to have some basis in reality. Keep the Happy Tree Friends type humor in Itchy and Scratchy, don't let it bleed into the actual plot. I feel bad that The Whos showed up in such an awful episode.
• "That 90's Show". Between obnoxious reminders that this episode took place in the '90s, a completely disregarded continuity with Homer and Marge's courtship (not to mention a vexing sliding timeline), and a plot that's been done before for all means and purposes, it's one of the few episodes this troper turns off when it appears in reruns. It's so bad that a later episode, "Take My Life, Please" essentially retcons "That 90's Show" out of existence.
  • Another thing that made that episode a DMOS was the professor Marge went out with. Man, I don't know where Marge got her taste in men, but it stinks.
  • The professor is what got me too! It's bad enough the episode basically took a shit on the existing continuity (which was pretty loose to begin with) but the plot makes Marge the biggest bitch I've ever seen on TV (and I watch Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia!). Marge wants to go to college and Homer helps her pay for it by not only giving up his dream of being a musician but taking a job that is basically him getting beat up all day. How does Marge respond to this sacrifice and charity? She borderline has an affair with her professor who ANYONE with eyeballs can see is a huge tool and then dumps Homer by pretty much claiming he isn't good enough for her. And the episode also fails at simple math: the show makes clear Bart is ten but now he was conceived in 1999. This would all be well and good if not for the fact it aired in 2008.
• Some fans would consider the episode "Crook and Ladder" to be the beginning of the end. They may be right. Marge was being paranoid in the beginning (as is now her usual), the episode had too many storylines and went off the wall with it, and the jokes were either not that funny or didn't make much sense.  ^*
  ^{Homer eating all the food in his sleep is plausible, but tying toy cars to the dog's feet and setting up video cassettes like dominoes still requires cognitive thought and concentration, something you just can't get when you're under the effects of sleep medication}
  . Plus there was a solid gold grandfather clock. I think that's the very definition of Awesome, but Impractical.
  • You couldn't have said it better. I didn't like the episode much either, but mostly for Bart's OOC status (not supporting Homer stealing? Blasphemy!), the constant Overly Long Gags, and the few moments in which plot points have been said by the characters. It's like the writers thought we were too dumb to acknowledge that all of the fire department was injured...
• The new (2009) reanimation of the opening sequence. It looks like it was done in Flash.
  • Hey, now you're insulting flash animators.
• The ending to "No Loan Again, Naturally." The episode is not bad per say; the Simpsons lose their house, Flanders bail them out, and the Simpsons remain jerkasses throughout the episode. Fair enough. In the end, though, Flanders kicks them out for not paying rent only to feel bad about it and lets them return. That's it! No development on the Simpsons and it just made them out to be the worst ungrateful people ever.
  • Seriously? The worst ungrateful people ever? Last time I checked, it wasn't the Simpsons that were being jerkasses (they were actually pretty sympathetic, compared to Flanders), but the one-time extras that TREATED them like the worst ungrateful people ever. I seriously got more pissed at their reactions to the Simpsons moving back into their house than I was at Flanders letting them stay!
    • To elaborate: Homer acts stupid, Simpsons lose house because of said stupidity, Flanders buys their house allowing them to stay and says they only need to pay with what little they have, Marge asks him if he can fix a few things in the house, since he's the landlord he agrees, Simpsons take advantage of this and begging bothering him for every little thing, he gets angry, Homer tells to stop being lazy, Flanders demand they pay rent, Homer gets mad and gets the media to do a bad report on him ruining his reputation, Flanders kicks them out (justified), feels bad and lets them move back in. That's the whole plot; the Simpsons didn't learn a lesson through this and still remained ungrateful that someone is bailing them out.
    • Another elaboration: it was Homer doing all those awful things to Flanders. Marge wasn't in the wrong by asking him, as their new landlord, to check some things—it's part of a landlord's job. But Homer went too far, as too much of a jerk-ass, and the entire family suffers for it and is blamed.
• "Large Marge." UGH. This episode not only makes plenty of boob jokes that even Family Guy fans would consider childish, but manages to demean BOTH genders in the process. Children in imminent peril? Not as important as looking at boobs because we're men!
  • The B-plot was also terrible. Krusty ends up in hot water because Bart and Milhouse imitated a stunt they saw on the Adam West Batman show that Krusty had a cameo on. The stunt goes bad, which causes Milhouse to knock over a flag and puke on it in front of veterans of Iwo-Jima. Because Bart said they saw Krusty doing this, all of Springfield comes after Krusty, trying to end his career. Krusty said it best in that episode, "Would you people get a life?!"
• "Brake My Wife, Please." Basically Homer loses his license and as a result becomes happier than ever. So, of course, since the show seems intent on making us hate Marge, she subconsciously starts hating and tries to murder him. And the episode ends with Homer throwing a party for her as an apology. Yes, Homer isn't the best husband ever, but she tried to kill him!

The main page says:

• ...Deconstructions of tasteless jokes don't really count.

Homer's personality isn't a tasteless joke if I'm not wrong, and I'm afraid I don't have a clue about this Frank Grimes person.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, the statement was supposed to be aimed at editors who were just taking jokes apart rather than giving specific moments, given the sentence that preceeds it.

I saw the film two years ago, so on second thought I might have actually been incorrect. I stand by some of my other edits, because they did ignore some key points in the episode. In Bart gets Hit by a car, Marge would have been commiting a criminal offense by lying under oath, so Homer sort of was being the villian there. The poet episode also established that Moe betrayed Lisa's trust and blatantly broke his promise to her. So he wasn't exactly innocent. 3.) The Bart jesus reference doesn't really count since...we actually see God in a couple of episodes, and as such is a firmly established character. And Bart's a complete idiot. So I doubt that is what they were intending. I also read that deconstructions don't really count, (although I might be wrong). In short, I thought that the dmos's were blatantly false, and the rules say we are allowed to do that. I'm sorry if I caused a mess, that was definately not my intention. If i'm unbanned it won't happen again.

The Bart/Jesus thing is something I'd like to discuss. I am aware that:

• Homer once met God in a dream.
• God once turned winter into spring.
• Bart nearly went to Heaven, but spat over the side of the escalator so got sent to Hell...who then decide they'll take him back later.
• At the end of one episode the Rapture happens, the Flanders are beamed up to Heaven and the Simpsons take the steps down to Hell.
• I think this was a Treehouse Of Horror, but in one ep, Homer ends up in Hell, cracks his skull open and we see a note like "I.O.U. God" (Homer is shown not to have a brain).
• In the movie, a light shines on Grandpa Simpson and he has a sort of religious experience where he blurts out words like "A thousand eyes! Epa!"

I am also aware:

• In the one where Maggie is revealed to be a genius (and it transpired she wasn't) the woman holding the test scores says that they are "not bad for a Christian".
• In the movie, I can't remember the exact line but Homer rubbishes the idea of God (ironic considering what happened to Grandpa).
• From what I've read on the wiki, in the one where Homer gets the crayon unlodged from his brain, he manages to mathematically disprove God's existence.

Alright, I get you, we're not meant to take Bart's line seriously because The Simpsons will do whatever for the sake of a gag.

And you're right that "Deconstructions of jokes don't really count".

Now I feel as if I've made a mess. Well, I suppose I'd better tidy things up. Scratch that, two others have tidied up.

And it's freaking Bart who said that. If the troper who posted that knows, Bart's an idiot prankster who gets F's on nearly every test, so it's more like an insult to those that don't beleive in Jesus if anything.

He was not banned because of making valid reasons against DMOSs. It was for something else on this wiki. Alright, I admit, I jumped the gun. I hereby apologise to Pirate King for calling him a troublemaker, because I was being a [insert something here].