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Dethroning Moment Family Guy Discussion
Super Saiya Man, you've already got one on. This is your latest, so it's being pulled.
- Super Saiya Man: What, no outrage at the absolutely despicable Aisan Stereotype of 'Mr. Washy Washy' that was okayed?
Magic Man, I pulled the second of these — one moment per troper. I'm leaving both of your entries here in case you'd rather pull the first instead.
- Magic Man: In my opinion, that's not the worst part. For me, it's the fact that Stewie just takes it like some whipped dog! I mean, when has Stewie ever just put up with Brian's crap in the past? Even at the end when the status quo is returned, it just makes it look even more awkward because it's just inconsistent characterization. One minute he's with Brian he's all smug, confident Stewie (he's usual self), the next he's just some simpering little bitch.
- Magic Man: Also, the save-face scene with Joe pointing out that not all Muslims are terrorists and that Quagmire shouldn't be too quick to label all of them as such is alright, but it becomes kinda toothless when pretty much ALL the Muslims featured in the episode ARE shown as terrorists.
Removed extra moments for a single troper.
- EponymousKid: Ditto. Despite not being gay myself, I was very upset with that episode. At one point a bunch of gay men just start having sex with each other, total strangers, in public, because they hadn't been properly instructed on the use of baseball bats; that gag was insulting to the audience, irrespective of orientation.
- EponymousKid: Not only did Seth think the portrayal was sympathetic, he was surprised anyone had a problem with the episode. In fact, he said if he were in Brian's shoes and had slept with Ida, he would be disgusted, too, because he's not gay. I know Seth's involvement with the writing process is limited to pitching and vetoing jokes in the writers' room, but it just goes to show you how ignorant the staff is about the issues they try to tackle (well, lampoon).
Guys, we have a problem.
Some tropers apparently do not get the rules, which are pretty simple. One moment to a troper. ONE.
There are a few tropers which are ignoring this rule. I am going to Ask That Troper, and anybody with more then one entry at a time on the DMOS page will have their moment pulled.
If this keeps up, I will recommend this page be locked until the season is over, at least.
Quacky Trope, I pulled your moments because you posted two. Pick the one you dislike the most, and put it on.
- QuackyTrope: The first few minutes of that same episode, where Brian seduces a number of women and uses Stewie's time machine to make out with them during horrific events in American history; including the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, the Hindenburg disaster, and the segregation era. It makes you wonder why, out of all the places in time he could have chosen, did he go to the absolute worst? This troper found it absolutely repugnant and sickening, and what makes it worse is Brian and one of his dates saying that restaurants were quieter when they were segregated. I can't even begin to describe how furious that comment made me feel, but it, and the scenes before it were the reasons why I immediately changed the channel right after the opening credits were over. There's also Unfortunate Implications with Brian dating so many women at what seems like the same time. Just when I didn't think I could hate Brian any more than I already do, the writers keep giving me more reasons to.
- QuackeyTrope: Yet another one for Lois: In Friends Without Benefits, Meg is nervous about asking a boy out, so she comes to Lois for guidance. At first Lois makes it sound like she's about to say something motherly and reassuring but, of course, the moment is completely torpedoed when she delivers a textbook example of emotional abuse to Meg, basically saying, "With all that women have accomplished in this day and age, you shouldn't be worried about asking a boy out. Sure, it's stupid and desperate and something I wouldn't do, but your not me, are you?" leaving poor Meg to hang her head down and say in a forlorn tone, "No, I'm not." Absolutely disgusting. I turned the channel because I realized that once again, the writers can't do a single Meg episode without stomping all over her for no reason. Not to mention Lois just seems to get worse and worse to the point where she's arguably beyond redemption. It's no wonder this page is so full.
I know this may sound rather nit-picky, but in one old revision of the SSP episode's page on Wikipedia
, it was said that Meg allowing her family to abuse her just so they can be happy made her, and I quote: "something of a Christ figure". As a Christian, this really blows my mind. Now I understand that our Lord and Savior suffered all the while living on this earth and died on the Cross for our sins, but I cannot grasp whether the type of suffering that Meg allowed herself to endure from her family is the good kind, which Christ endured, or the kind that is totally unacceptable. It begs an explanation.
, it was said that Meg allowing her family to abuse her just so they can be happy made her, and I quote: "something of a Christ figure". As a Christian, this really blows my mind. Now I understand that our Lord and Savior suffered all the while living on this earth and died on the Cross for our sins, but I cannot grasp whether the type of suffering that Meg allowed herself to endure from her family is the good kind, which Christ endured, or the kind that is totally unacceptable. It begs an explanation.
Can someone do something about the last entry in DMOS - Family Guy (the one by Disney23)? It doesn't explain much, if anything at all. We don't even know what the DMOS in question is.
You guys, we really need to talk.
It says right there, and on many other pages, "One moment to a troper."
So why have I not once, not twice, but three times, possibly more, come across instances in which tropers have had as many as six entries to their names, one of which came up after I spent a pretty big length of time trying to get rid of just that?
Everyone who submitted multiple DMoS entries: I want you guys to pick one, and only one. Let me know which one it is, and I'll get rid of the rest of your entries.
I don't want to do this. I shouldn't have to do this. But if you guys can't be counted on to enforce the rules yourselves, it will pretty much be necessary for me to get myself involved.
And seriously, if you guys can't keep to rules, I am prepared to ask about adding this one to the list of locked pages.
It says right there, and on many other pages, "One moment to a troper."
So why have I not once, not twice, but three times, possibly more, come across instances in which tropers have had as many as six entries to their names, one of which came up after I spent a pretty big length of time trying to get rid of just that?
Everyone who submitted multiple DMoS entries: I want you guys to pick one, and only one. Let me know which one it is, and I'll get rid of the rest of your entries.
I don't want to do this. I shouldn't have to do this. But if you guys can't be counted on to enforce the rules yourselves, it will pretty much be necessary for me to get myself involved.
And seriously, if you guys can't keep to rules, I am prepared to ask about adding this one to the list of locked pages.
Some of the Seahorse Seashell Party entries incorrectly state that Brian suggested the "lightning rod" idea to Meg, when it was Meg herself when it came up with the idea.
P. S. Has anyone transcribed Meg's speeches from this ep. yet?
There's an entry on Road to the Multiverse by Jamilee. I think it should be deleted since it misses the point. Everything about the universe without Christianity is how the world is more advanced scientifically. So I'm pretty sure Meg is hot because genetic engineering got rid of any genes that lead to unatractive people. After all if it was surgery why stop while she was still one of "the ugly ones?"
Ugh. Just made a clean-up of the page. People, I don't give a flying toss how 'literally offended' you are at Family Guy: one moment, signed, without natter.
I don't watch the show, but do we need a picture? It looks like a good example, but since we have to sing entrys now it seems out of place.
Am I the only one who thinks that complaining about episodes like "Not all Dogs go to Heaven" and calling it "an anti-theist Chick Tract" is kind of missing the point? This show (and many shows of the similar kind) is about parodying cultural phenomena. They have parodied a huge amount of other groups of people, such as christians, gays, pro-lifers and whatnot. People belonging to such groups will inevitably get offended when they are getting parodied and their arguments are presented like straw men. Well, you know what? Atheists (or "anti-theists", or whatever you want to call it) are not exempt. They get parodied as well. And seemingly rather successfully, looking how much some people get offended by it.
Seriously, if we're just gonna delete everything on these pages except for 2 short entries, why does Family Guy, Simpsons, Zero Punctuation etc. even need their own DMOS pages. We should just re-add them to their parent pages if so many entries can't be tolerated.
Old entries that were cut
Old entries that were cut.
"Not all Dogs go to Heaven"
Well, here it is. The worst offender of the worst offenders. Enjoy.
- The episode can basically be described as an anti-theist Chick Tract, was the most jarring Dethroning Moment of Suck I have ever seen. There were so many Chick parallels; the old man in the sky "disproof" was similar to anti-evolutionist "I've never seen a monkey give birth to a human" sentiment, and after telling Meg her very existence proves no benevolent force exists, Brian tells her the physical universe is better than God, mirroring Chick tracts ending with "God is going to send you and everyone you know to hell for existing (one minute later) God loves you so much." I watched most of Moral Orel without getting offended (meaning I didn't see all of it, not that any of it offended me), so that should give some scope on how ridiculously hateful the episode was.- SNES Master KI
- Not to mention the above quote of "her very existence proves no benevolent force exists" is said with a complete straight face. It's not meant as a joke. It's not meant as an insult to her. It's meant as a fact. Danny Smith is the one that is the creator of this. Fridge Logic applies and means that he's therefore a non-benevolent individual that hates everyone and everything. I'll be completely honest, I watch Moral Orel and laugh at its portrayal of 'straw Christians'. Mostly because I know that most of them aren't like that, and it's a small vocal minority. But if the people who make the show want to focus on them so and empower them, it's their choice to do so. But this show, it truly hurt me and hurt my feelings. But then I've noticed that Family Guy has become more and more about being a mouth piece for far-left liberal and atheist beliefs and less about being funny. Really, if you're going to have a show be a mouthpiece, stop saying it's just for jokes, and say what it is: your own personal propaganda machine.
- I always saw the Meg statement as an extension of The Writer's general misogyny, interpreting "Meg" as basically "any woman who isn't hot". In this way, the statement makes vaguely more sense, but becomes so much more disgusting as a result.
- I think Brian shows his true colors here. He insults Meg for being ugly... this coming from a dog. I don't know what happened to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but Brian apparently doesn't care. What he sees as "ugly", is totally irrelevant to God because He created what He believes is actually good. It's also worth noting that Brian completely disregards Meg's Christian messages as a whole. Whether or not you agree with a religion, any at all really, a lot of them have genuinely good messages of not stealing, not lying, and so forth. Most people of any religious affiliation (including the non-religious) would probably attest to this. Furthermore, Brian comes off as a HUGE hypocrite when he criticizes Meg for being some "crazy, outspoken, conversion-happy Christian", but it turns out that it's okay for him to convert her into an atheist. Man I love double standards.
- Oh thank you for seeing the exact same problem I saw. The argument isn't even an attempt at logic, it's just "If God existed, he would've made Meg pretty." To sum up, if God existed then the atheistic creator of the cartoon would've have drawn a single character in an attractive manner. Dear Krishna, Mr. MacFarlane! Does he actually consider that a realistic reason to not believe in a God? The strangest part is that Brian's statement is accepted as a reasonable argument and the entire book burning is put to a halt and all the townspeople, who had started behaving like Nazis after becoming more religious, go back to being normal.
- Similar to how most atheists won't spend their entire time trying to prove that everyone who is religious is an idiot Nazi and most atheists are actually quite fine with people practicing whatever religion makes them happy. But Danny Smith is the exception that proves the rule.
- As an atheist, I was still somehow offended. It was either going far beyond the realms of parody in terms of portraying Christians, or it was the whole bringing great shame to atheists everywhere. It was just plain painful to watch.
- The whole town converts back instantly too. Apparently Meg's existence is a pretty strong argument.
- The really ridiculous thing is that in early seasons Brian was at least semi-religious. He had a Bible handy at times ("And the Lord said, Go Sox," in response to someone wondering what the bible verse people frequently referenced at ballgames was) and he was the only one who recognized the plagues when Peter made himself a false god, slapping Peter and declaring "God. Is. Pissed."
- The whole town converts back instantly too. Apparently Meg's existence is a pretty strong argument.
- As an atheist, I was still somehow offended. It was either going far beyond the realms of parody in terms of portraying Christians, or it was the whole bringing great shame to atheists everywhere. It was just plain painful to watch.
- Similar to how most atheists won't spend their entire time trying to prove that everyone who is religious is an idiot Nazi and most atheists are actually quite fine with people practicing whatever religion makes them happy. But Danny Smith is the exception that proves the rule.
- Not to mention the above quote of "her very existence proves no benevolent force exists" is said with a complete straight face. It's not meant as a joke. It's not meant as an insult to her. It's meant as a fact. Danny Smith is the one that is the creator of this. Fridge Logic applies and means that he's therefore a non-benevolent individual that hates everyone and everything. I'll be completely honest, I watch Moral Orel and laugh at its portrayal of 'straw Christians'. Mostly because I know that most of them aren't like that, and it's a small vocal minority. But if the people who make the show want to focus on them so and empower them, it's their choice to do so. But this show, it truly hurt me and hurt my feelings. But then I've noticed that Family Guy has become more and more about being a mouth piece for far-left liberal and atheist beliefs and less about being funny. Really, if you're going to have a show be a mouthpiece, stop saying it's just for jokes, and say what it is: your own personal propaganda machine.
- That episode doesn't even pass the Fridge Logic test - God and Jesus are characters in the show, as is the Grim Reaper! Brian's venturing into Flat Earth Atheist territory saying that God doesn't exist in a universe where God can be found picking up women at the bar, all for the sake of being a mouthpiece. Also, as a liberal agnostic who used to like Family Guy for totally non-political reasons, I've just gotta comment that sharing his world views doesn't make the recent Author Tract format any less preachy or condescending. The show just plain isn't funny anymore.
- Crap, at the end of the episode, it even showed that Brian's hypothesis that even though God doesn't exist (except that he does on the show), the universe is an amazing and wondrous place is wrong, as the universe was actually a molecule in the lamp on Adam West's nightstand.
- Wasn't there an episode where Meg became pretty and at the end of the episode it was concluded that being pretty wasn't good for her and she switched back to being ugly of her own free will? Which means that Meg choosing to not be pretty means there isn't a God because if there was a God he would've gone out of his way to interfere with her free will and force her to be attractive. Head Desk, Head Desk, Head Desk.
- Not to mention that they managed to get the entire Star Trek The Next Generation cast to cameo and barely used them in the weakest guest appearance comedy yet on the show. I had all but given up on the show for a while, but being a TNG fan decided to sit for this one, my blood pressure steadily increasing as it became increasingly obvious that I was subjected effectively to a bait-and-switch (though I don't blame Fox for promoting the cameo, given what a train wreck the entire episode became).
- The first line of the episode implied that Star Trek convention-goers rarely see sunlight. Guess they wanted to pull out the fresh material right away.
- For the first half of the episode it seems to explicitly set up the moral that you shouldn't discriminate against someone for their faith or lack of one, or that maybe Meg just happened to take her religious belief a little too far... but nope! According to Family Guy, Christianity = BAD and Atheism = GOOD.
- That was the same aesop they seemed to be setting up for the episode "Familiy Goy". If I remember correctly, it ended with Jesus saying "Six to one, they're [all religions] all complete crap".
- Either that or he's going with the flow of the overly passionate young people who blame religion for everything that's wrong with the Universe. Either way it's bad.
- Let's put it this way: this episode was so bad that even Seth had to eventually apologize for just how blatantly stupid this episode was in Jerome is the New Black (Quagmire's brutal tirade
against Brian, that many consider Glen's Crowning Moment Of Awesome). This is the same man who approved "Prom Night Dumpster Baby" and yet THIS was the thing he apologized for. Seriously, it's that bad.
- The worst part. The single worst part of all of this... is that at the end of the episode, where someone calls out Brian, FINALLY, someone calls his bullshit, he comes home crying...and Stewie comforts him and tells him it's okay and not to worry about it. Brian has always been Stewie's first target. Sure, there's some serious Foe Yay, but he ALWAYS goes the hell after Brian. And he comforts him. Comforts him and removes that nagging doubt that he's not a complete and utter failure of a character. Someone get me a beer...
- The biggest irony of this whole mess is that Brian's speech at the end of the episode was supposed to be his Crowning Moment Of Awesome. Instead it wound up here.
- One has to wonder what the point of this episode was: was it meant to turn Christians into atheists? Make atheists shun their friends and family if they believed in, well, anything? Were we supposed to agree with Brian and admit that the majority of Americans are evil idiots because they believe in something? WHAT. WAS. THE. POINT?
- The reason why Meg became a Christian in the first place was because her life was starting to really suck. In other words Danny Smith arrogantly assumed that the only reason religion exists is because peoples' lives tend to suck every now and then...never mind the fact that Brian's big argument that converts the whole town to atheism is "Peoples' lives tend to suck every now and then." So, um, the exact same thing except with atheism. Not much a difference, is it?
- It also implied that the only reason people believe there isn't a God is because people's lives suck. Not because atheism is what makes sense to some people or anything. Of course not. It simply must be that all atheists are what they are because the God they don't believe in is a jerk. This episode made this atheist want to scream.
- This atheist was extremely offended that the episode portrayed Christians as if they were total morons. This is not the 13th fucking century, very few theists are that radical; not all of them are going to try to convert you or run you out of town. Have some class.
- It didn't help that the only Christians they portrayed are the vocal, extreme minority. Yes, some Christians still practice book burning but the same logic can be applied to everything: some men cheat on their wives so does that make all men evil? No.
- Possibly, Brian's argument is what Christians refer to as the "problem of pain": why would God, who is Omnipotent and Omnibenevolent, allow for abusive parents, rapists, mustard gas, war etc? (In Real Life, it's a highly contested issue within the Christian faith alone.) Brian's argument might've held some water if handled properly. Instead, it came out as: "Meg, a fictional character has a really crummy life; ergo a benevolent God cannot exist." This episode, it seems, was nothing more than a logic-free Take That not only at Christianity, but any type of faith in the unseen.
- I want to say that first off, I am a hardcore Christian. However, this is my biggest problem with most of the quotes on this page...I feel like we're all totally missing the point. Brian's argument wasn't so much "Meg is ugly, therefore, God can't exist," it was more "Meg, why do you believe/trust in a God that allows all of these horrible things to happen to you?" (Her family hating her, her friends making fun of her, etc...) I think Brian's argument makes a little more sense than we give it credit for, but at the same time, he doesn't fully understand the Christian faith either to make a statement like that...in any case, it still fits nicely on this page.
- Yeah that's what I figured, it didn't seem like he was calling Meg "ugly" or anything, to me it seemed more like he was commenting on that the fact that nearly EVERYBODY that makes eye contact with Meg considers her ugly and is repulsed by her(not to mention the way overrused gag of her being mistaken for a guy), and he uses that logic to convince her that god dosen't exist-and that was more then enough to convince her to believe Brian, and when you consider all the abuse she's gone through, Brian's argument would naturally make perfect sense to her. I didn't have the same hatred for this episode that most people do, but it STILL definitely went too far with the ridiculously over-the-top scene with Brian being demonized by everyone just for being an Atheist.
- In somewhat of a direction toward the Fridge Logic/Wall Banger portion of this, the fact that Brian is an atheist was introduced and driven toward maddening levels, completely ignoring the fact that his atheism is a direct punch in the face of the admittedly inconsistent continuity anyway. Now to be fair, the dumb line about Meg being too ugly to allow a God to exist was said by an Author Avatar, Brian and the fact that he said something so insanely wall banging with a straight face may have been an attempt at making it funny. This didn't make it any less jarring at the fact that Brian apparently doesn't believe in God and Jesus after having seen them with his own eyes, spent an entire episode trying to convince Peter that he shouldn't try to take over for the real God, and on a less notable example been the victim of otherworldly/paranormal events in the past, such as his entire house being sucked into nothingness. So either the context of this episode is that the God that has been shown in the past in the show was written off as if he never existed just to make a point or one of Brian's head injuries throughout the series caused him to forget the fact that he's been confronted by God in the past.
- If we cut past all of Danny Smith's bad logic the moral of the episode was "If God exists then why does suffering exist?". The problem with that is that, at some point, nigh-everyone in a religious society thinks of this: we didn't need an entire episode just to hear the same question.
- Wait, Meg had just become a Christian in that episode. Last time I checked people who've just joined a new religion wouldn't be that good at defending it.
- The episode where Peter leaves his jobless housewife and three kids (one of which being a baby) because he suddenly turned gay. Yes, guys, we understand that it's okay to be gay, but that doesn't give you the right to abandon all of your responsibilities without so much as a token conversation about child support. Hell, Lois even agrees that Peter didn't do anything wrong! He fucking did! He left your ass with three kids and NO WAY TO SUPPORT THEM. HE DIDN'T EVEN WAIT FOR HER TO GET A JOB SO THAT HIS FAMILY (which he should still care somewhat about because, you know, gay people aren't amoral assholes) COULD SUPPORT THEMSELVES!! YES, THATS RIGHT PETER, GO AHEAD AND JUST &^!@#&*^!$&(@#*#!$YGHQSF!!!
- Considering that it was Peter, they were better off without him, which the episode hung a lantern on. It had good comedic value, but it shows that the writers failed once again at preaching political correctness in a Dead Baby Comedy. If he had proved South Park right about it just being a Gag Series, this Article would be a lot shorter.
- You forgot to mention the worst parts. Peter became test subject for genetic experiments because he couldn't afford to pay for the damages a horse he bought did, almost ruining the family. So Yeah, to ruin your family and then leave them without any kind of support just because you're now gay is the right thing to do, and if you dare to say otherwise, you're a homophobe. And the most shocking thing is that everybody was putting Peter's happiness before everything, despite Peter being the cause of all the problems. I wonder why there are still so many people who says that Peter is not a blatant Anti Sue.
- Some of you seem to be forgetting about Lois's billionaire father. Peter didn't need to support her, because daddy would just pay the bills.
- Did anyone forget that he was injected with gay person DNA?! Did fucking Chris-Chan write this?
- Eh, Peter's just lucky he's the main character of Family Guy. At this point, in any other show, he'd be the villain. No really, he would be. Just paint his skin a disgusting shade of green, put a nasty-looking sword in his hands, and you've got yourself an honest-to-badness Great Unclean One.
- At this time I'm reminded of "Superman At Earth's End", a comic where guns are used to solve all the problems, and then ends with an anti-gun message. Similarly, you can't have a pro-tolerance message in an episode that makes such egregious, un-ironic use of stereotypes. Things just work a certain way, and no amount of "comedy" can make up for that.
- Lois' line "I can't change your orientation, and it'd be wrong for me to try" absolutely made NO SENSE since they DID CHANGE Peter's orientation earlier. However, banging people's head with the idea that homosexuality is not a choice was more important.
- I simply love how Stewie suddenly takes the stance of staunch christian conservative (or perhaps christians in general, considering the show) for the sake of a temporary Author Tract.
- Not to mention that Stewie is gay according to the Word of God
- "Road to the Multiverse" is ten minutes of poop and fart jokes interlaced with a thin plot and several Meg-is-ugly jokes. Then, in the very end, Brian from an alternate universe wants to come back to the main universe even though he would've already gotten the chance to stay when he traveled with his Stewie through the Multiverse and didn't take that opportunity only to walk off and be hit by a car. The car was so predictable and obvious and that there wasn't a single person who didn't see it coming. Worse yet, alternate Brian would've been an interesting plot for a future episode but no, they killed him off instantly, which made the last seven minutes of the show worthless.
- This is exactly why the end of the Disney segment in the episode is so bad; this show is just as anti-Semitic as Seth purports Disney to be. Yes, we all know it's Disney, but don't fucking pretend that this show isn't as offensive as anything that Disney puts out.
- If it was a shot at "Uncle Walt's" anti-semitism, it wasn't a very good one. If they had an animated Walt leading the charge to kill Mort, then that would have made more sense. But there wasn't, everything was all happy-scrappy until Mort showed up. The regular characters had designs reminiscent of various Disney characters (the latest being Meg's, based off of The Little Mermaid's Ursula, which came out waaayy long after Disney's death) and it gives off the impression that the Walt Disney Corporation as a whole hates Jews. And as for Family Guy not being anti-semitic? Well, let's see: the recurring Jewish character is Mort Goldman, who is pretty much a walking-talking personification of almost every Jewish stereotype known to man, his lesser seen family are pretty much his clones, and that when Peter once put up a "scare-Jew" (i.e. a scarecrow made up to look like Adolf Hitler) to scare Mort away from the house so he wouldn't borrow anymore of the Griffens' stuff, Mort runs away screaming for everyone to protect Jon Stewart ("He's our most important Jew!") from the "reincarnated Hitler". So while Family Guy isn't anti-semitic per se, it does absolutely nothing to offset/subvert Jewish stereotypes. But yes, the Disney universe was a shitty joke, there is that too.
- This troper actually loved the Disney universe segment and considers it the series' Crowning Moment Of Awesome. But, since Seth MacFarlane constantly makes that stupid Disney joke (Brian at the beginning of "Movin' Out, Brian's Song", the cutaway in some episode saying that Goofy goes to Hell for being involved with 9/11, etc.), I have to agree that the end of that segment was stupid. I was expecting a meta-joke about the Disney universe being too expensive to animate, and that would be why they had to leave. Not sure if that would have been better. Though, the end of that segment was not enough to make me not like that scene, "It's a Wonderful Day for Pie" and the Herbert part were still gold.
- The thing is though, Walt Disney wasn't actually that racist, he was actually less racist than most people of his era. The reason him being anti-semetic became a popular belief was because of a comment Brett Butler made on Letterman. Brett Butler's a psychotic drug addict, and was so addicted at the time that her show went through five producers in five years.
- If it was a shot at "Uncle Walt's" anti-semitism, it wasn't a very good one. If they had an animated Walt leading the charge to kill Mort, then that would have made more sense. But there wasn't, everything was all happy-scrappy until Mort showed up. The regular characters had designs reminiscent of various Disney characters (the latest being Meg's, based off of The Little Mermaid's Ursula, which came out waaayy long after Disney's death) and it gives off the impression that the Walt Disney Corporation as a whole hates Jews. And as for Family Guy not being anti-semitic? Well, let's see: the recurring Jewish character is Mort Goldman, who is pretty much a walking-talking personification of almost every Jewish stereotype known to man, his lesser seen family are pretty much his clones, and that when Peter once put up a "scare-Jew" (i.e. a scarecrow made up to look like Adolf Hitler) to scare Mort away from the house so he wouldn't borrow anymore of the Griffens' stuff, Mort runs away screaming for everyone to protect Jon Stewart ("He's our most important Jew!") from the "reincarnated Hitler". So while Family Guy isn't anti-semitic per se, it does absolutely nothing to offset/subvert Jewish stereotypes. But yes, the Disney universe was a shitty joke, there is that too.
- I thought the whole Road to the Multiverse counts as a Dethroning Moment Of Suck. You can literally put all the jokes in three categories. Bowel movements, Meg is ugly, and violence. Mayor McCheese gets shot, alternate universe Brian gets hit by a car (predictable enough), John Hinkley (Reagan's attempted assassin) painted the Sistine Chapel, and Mort the Jew gets beat to death in the Disney universe.
- Wellesely Wild's anti-theism shines through again where he says Christianity holds back science here as well.
- What was really frustrating about it was the statement that without Christianity there would not have been the Dark ages. In reality, the biggest contributor to the Dark Ages was the power vacuum created by the fall of the Roman Empire, and it was largely the culture and technology brought back to Europe by the Crusades that ended them.
- Never mind the fact that Europe =/= the entire world. While Europe was enveloped in the Dark Ages, scientific advances still continued in other places like the Far East and the Islamic Empire (which reintroduced scientific and mathematic discoveries to Europe centuries after they had been lost there).
- This is exactly why the end of the Disney segment in the episode is so bad; this show is just as anti-Semitic as Seth purports Disney to be. Yes, we all know it's Disney, but don't fucking pretend that this show isn't as offensive as anything that Disney puts out.
- When they went to the world where Japan won WW 2. That joke was completely racist.
- This troper, a secular humanist, found the Christianity/Dark Ages joke in very bad taste.
- The worst part of the Episode was when Brian dates an older woman was when showed the younger girl a video of himself in Die Hard. It wasn't funny, and it was just another use of Limited Animation. Considering that this is coming from Family Guy, which has shown us four minutes of Conway Twitty singing with no animation at all, this can be seen as an improvement.
- The episode where Brian got involved with an actual elderly woman. You know, someone who's actually OLD and not just above 21 years old. Even though that old lady died at the end of that episode, that was treated with a lot more respect and pathos then this episode saw fit to treat a woman who was, horrors of horrors, MORE THEN FORTY YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!
- The supposed Aesop of this episode was broken beyond repair. Brian berates everyone for treating him poorly for dating an older woman, pointing out the hypocrisy of younger women dating older men and younger men dating older women. So, what happens? Again, the older woman tells Brian (who tells her he feels horrible for sleeping with another, younger, woman) that he's immature and that she's too good for him. Yes, according to the writers, it's not due to traditional sex roles, or double standards, or traditional reasons that the idea of a man dating an older woman is frowned on. No, according to this episode, it's because men are immature. OF COURSE! I'm not sure which sex should be offended more...
- Even though his family's reactions were jerkassy and his girlfriend seemed to suddenly and inexplicably turn into Grandpa Simpson, Brian's actions in that episode were pretty heinous. He pretty blatantly decided to propose in order to spite his family's prejudices, and though he apologized for cheating on her, he phrased it in a way that made it seem as though it was a good thing because it proved to him that SHE wasn't too old for him. Dethroning Moment Of Suck from both sides of the argument.
- Perhaps the worst part of this episode was the writing within it. The older woman in question is screamed at by Peter, who grabs her shirt and starts demanding her age, sending her off in tears. The family seems UTTERLY DEVOTED to destroying Brian's love life. From the perspective of one who has worked very hard for his love life, I would beat my own kin if they did that. So, Brian does a good thing, comforts her, makes her feel loved and beautiful. It's amazing, maybe Brian does have a soul. Besides, age difference isn't that bad - Brian goes back and forth between 49 and 7, so hey, whatever. So, moving on from that. The woman is actually a fairly likable character. Well, we can't have that in a one shot, can we? So, in the fastest fucking case of Flanderization I've ever seen, this woman goes from being fairly on top of things and even somewhat modern to basically 80 in mannerisms and speech processes. My mother is 50. She's not talking in 1930s lingo. This is placed in to make her unsympathetic. Oh, and let's not forget the complete and utter Critical Research Failure - a picture is shown of the woman as a young child with her mother. Brian picks it up and comments "Huh... there's not enough stars on this flag!" in a nervous tone, implying she was born before Alaska and Hawaii were made states (1959). The woman is 50 (the episode first aired in 2009). If she's 50...and the picture shows her as a young, bipedal child with her mother (see, at least two years old, probably more)... then there WERE 50 stars on the flag...hmm. Thanks guys. I confirmed the Alaska/Hawaii thing in two minutes on The Other Wiki. I'm GLAD you can do the same.
- Consider this: The entire family is ragging on her because she's "old." She's only fifty years old...In an earlier episode it was revealed that Peter is forty-two. There's only eight years between them, ten between her and Lois! And that is what they call "old?!"
- What's even more enraging is that Brian is about 49 in human years, which means that he's technically a year younger than her! Come on!
- Lucy getting the ever-loving shit kicked out of her in "Brian's Got a Brand New Bag?" You know, I know she screwed with Charlie a lot back in Peanuts but nothing she did could you use to justify her getting kicked the crap out of her. Especially since she's a child, to make matters worse Peter actually brings up the therapy shtick she used as another reason to kick her. I dunno, maybe it's just me because I liked Lucy and don't like the concept of children being hurt... let alone a small 8-Year Old Girl all brought about a Patrick Swayze movie and Seth paying homage to him. Thanks Seth, I'm pretty sure Patrick would've wanted to be remembered for inspiring some idiot to beat up children.
- Not having seen the scene in particular, it sounds like a literal curb stomping, which is bad enough, but the fact that they did the same joke years before, only using Louis instead of Charlie Brown, just makes it worse. Robot Chicken did something similar, but wasn't so bad, because it was so cartoonish, you could laugh at it.
- They did this joke already in Lethal Weapons (season 2), but much milder and to much better effect: Lois, in a martial arts training montage, runs to kick a football held by Lucy. The football gets yanked, Lois falls out of frame, then runs back to roundhouse Lucy, who cries. That's exactly the right amount of justice via cartoon violence that what Lucy did deserve. They knew how to do this joke right already, but have totally forgotten it since the pre-resurrection era.
- After watching a scene where Peter listed "all the brown people you can rape" as a benefit of joining the U.S. Navy in "Saving Private Brian", I swore myself off of Family Guy forever.
- When they started doing a rape or domestic violence joke at least, oh, once an episode if not more. LOL a woman is being horribly assaulted! I like dark humor, but there's a world of difference between say, Sarah Silverman's infamous bit in The Aristocrats and in Family Guy where there's no other joke besides...a woman being raped. Or horribly beaten. And Peter's "Oh get over it, it's a cartoon!" was particularly sickening cause I'm even more offended by the laziness and cowardice of that defense than I am the actual jokes themselves.
- "You shouldn't have led him on." I first saw that gag along with a friend that had been a victim of sexual assault. I had voiced my concerns with her about my own disdain over how Meg's abuse was being played for laughs, having been a child abuse victim myself, but that Aqua Man joke was the beginning of the end. Namely, the end of watching Family Guy ever again. We found that to be the turning point, sort of like Cerebus Syndrome for being incredibly distasteful. You can't just flatly mirror real-life ignorant statements for laughs. Some hate later episodes for basically saying "THIS IS A JOKE", but we hated the series far before then, when they started saying "THIS IS SEXIST/RACIST/ETC." and playing this ignorance for laughs. Like, when King Of The Hill is doing its usual thing, you're just like, "Ha ha, Bible-belt Strawman Political conservative hijinks!" When Family Guy tries something similar, your reaction is more like, "Ha h—wait, incredibly offensive hijinks with a touch of Truth In Television? Dude Not Funny." It's hard to classify this under a definitive episode, but the Aqua Man joke is definitely when I first started realizing just how badly these subjects were being handled.
- Next to Drawn Together, this is the animated show that defines Negative Continuity, but when it comes to the characters' backgrounds, you used to look for a little consistency. For most of the show, Peter was the son of an Irish-Catholic, but discovered that one of his ancestors was a black man who was enslaved by his wife's family. And since that ancestor was renamed "Nate Griffin", it is logical to assume that Nate was from Peter's father's side of the family. Even "Untitled Griffin Family History" acknowledged Nate as a member of the family. But then, in one extremely stupid episode, we discover that not only was Francis Griffin NOT Peter's father, but Peter's father was a drunk living in Ireland. So Nate's outta the picture, unless the writers pulls out of their ass an explanation that Nate went over to Ireland for some reason (which until he does makes Nate a complete waste of time). And then comes "Padre de Familia" where it turns out that not is only Peter at least three-quarters Irish, but he was actually born from a failed abortion in Mexico. So now all of a sudden, Peter is now technically Mexican and is an illegal. Putting aside that not only do immigration laws NOT work that way, having three biological kids and living your entire life in America would at least not make him an illegal. And he has to work with migrant workers on his father-in-law's mansion because he want to get in touch with his non-existent roots, only for a Snap Back at the end. I won't get into detail about Lois' family's changes. For the love of God (oh, wait...) guys, why do you feel the need to change what little you had established?
- In Family Guy, immigration laws (like everything else) work the way that would most effectively create an anvilicious strawman conservative.
- The episode "Business Guy". The episode didn't exactly do or say anything offensive but it suffered from major plot holes, poor writing, an arbitrary resolution, and had only a few mediocre jokes. This isn't the offensive episode that ruins a show, this is the mediocre episode that makes people realize a show has run out of steam. Peter takes over Carter Pewterschmidt's company after a strip club sequence, whereupon the episode meanders along for 20 minutes (with a mediocre Quagmire joke in it) then tries to use a Scooby Doo reference that Scooby Doo fans are sick of.
- I know it's Family Guy, and it lives to be offensive, but is anyone else starting to notice that the show has a bit of a fixation on Jewish stereotypes and antisemitic gags? We have Peter reenacting scenes from Schindler's List for laughs, an entire segment consisting of Mort Goldman coming up with dozens of ways to call Jews cheap.
- Here's something strange worth noting— when Mort Goldman would originally appear, his large "weakling" personality was the source of comedy from him. Probably three years later after the show returned in 2005, jokes about him started to focus on his being a Jew. I am getting such a bad vibe from that shift in humor.
- Honestly, it goes beyond antisemitic jokes. There is a ton of casual racism that's just played out for laughs, especially in regard to blacks. The first few times I noticed it was from Brian which, alright, fine; Brian's a staunch progressive with a hidden, slightly racist streak inherited from his father. But then the jokes started coming from Stewie as well. And then every other character. I know the entire cast has been more or less Flanderized into complete jackasses but when the racist jokes come so often and from every character, it starts to seem like maybe the writers have some issues.
- Is it just me or has there been a lot of Robin Williams bashing lately? The cutaway in "McStroke" was lame enough, but then in "Baby Not On Board" a cutaway showed the kids in Patch Adams killing themselves over Robin's jokes (Something Mad Magazine already did a decade earlier!), "Brian's Got A Brand New Bag" had What Dreams May Come as one of the DVDs no one wanted to buy, and most recently in "Big Man On Hippocamus" there was a lame cutaway gag where the joke basically is "Robin isn't funny anymore". Right. Because antisemitism, misogyny, and three minutes of Conway Twitty singing are much funnier than this. And don't think I'm complaining about all this because I'm a butthurt Robin fangirl. I'm complaining because these Take Thats are unoriginal and not clever at all. My only consolation is that they haven't done a Gorn-filled animated snuff film ala Futurama... yet. I wouldn't put it past them though.
- The second Star Wars parody managed to be surprisingly alright, its main flaw coming from missing out on the chance to make jokes (Missed Moment Of Funny?). The abortion joke, however, was just tasteless.
- In the episode "Extra-Large Medium," the first gag of the show is Peter skating around in circles shouting "Starlight Express" over and over. Apparently just saying the name of the thing you're making fun of counts as a joke now. Taking a page out of the Seltzer And Friedberg book of comedy?
- The entire episode is a slap in the face to a certain politician. Subtle political satire is good, but this is just pathetic. The whole concept of the plot is mean-spirited and completely unnecessary. Said politician understandably criticized the episode for taking shots at someone who was supposed to be miles away from political crossfire. In response the actor who portrayed the character in question proceeded to defend her position and attack the politician for being hyper-sensitive and treating her son poorly. But here's the punchline-Seth backs her up. Not surprising that the actor would defend her own character (she was paid to voluntarily act, mind you), and proceed to explain that the attack was on the politician, not the child, which is not only still in poor taste, but is also a terrible excuse. Not to mention, more unlikely than an episode without an anti-Chrstian/Republican undertone. Her whole "get a sense of humor" is about as weak of an argument as they come. I dare that actor to publicly tell that to every single parent with a Downs Syndrome child, or someone who actually has the syndrome. Just think about it.
- Did anyone else facepalm after watching Lois make fun of Brian for dating an idiot in Whistle While Your Wife Works? Especially since said idiot was only about as dumb Lois's husband, but much nicer, hotter and more infinitely more mentally stable and emotionally mature?
- Not just that Jillian is a much better companion than Peter, but considering that Lois knows that Brian has always loved her (Lois) since Brian in Love in Season 2 (and re-iterated in Play It Again, Brian), it was downright cruel for her to mock Brian for his romantic choices. The guy is trying to preserve his friendships with you and your husband, and your marriage, by moving on and looking for someone else, and you throw it back in his face?!
- For me, another DMOS has to be what they did with Connie's character. Originally she was just the popular Libby character who would make fun of Meg for her efforts to try to fit in with the popular kids. But nowadays she goes out her way to tease Meg even if Meg is just minding her own business, and even though Meg honestly wanted to be friends with Connie in the past. It just was fucking cruel in the "Stew-Roids" episode where Meg shows Connie the cuts she deliberately gave herself over the years as a result of Connie's cruel treatment of her when Connie asked Meg for help to make Chris "uncool". Because in later episodes if anything even after seeing how badly Meg has been hurt by her bullying (and how Meg cuts herself as a result of it) she still treats Meg like shit, if not more so.
- Ugh, the episode Baby Not On Board, we all knew Peter is an idiot but at least he has some plausible reasons for it. Here it just...I don't have the words for it but man I know I couldn't be the only person who wanted to punch out Peter for his mind blowing stupidity. But no, NO, that's not the worst of it. After all the crap he puts his family through, Lois finally blows up at him for it. And then...feels ashamed when Peter rebuffs her for it? WHAT?! No! Nononononono. Rule of Funny or not, I can't give this show that one. There are just some Karma Houdini moments I can't forgive.
- Someone should probably elaborate for those who are curious: Lois yells at him, and Peter responds with the speech John Candy delivers in Planes Trains And Automobiles. Yes, the entire speech— almost word for word. And Lois immediately forgives him.
- And don't forget they end it by explaining the joke with Chris going 'haa, movie reference'. Just in case ya didn't get it. DID YA GET IT?! He's stealing a monologue word-for-word from an infinitely better and funnier movie!...Futurama can't return fast enough in my opinion.
- Someone should probably elaborate for those who are curious: Lois yells at him, and Peter responds with the speech John Candy delivers in Planes Trains And Automobiles. Yes, the entire speech— almost word for word. And Lois immediately forgives him.
- For me, the Dethroner came in Padre de Familia, when, in a cutaway gag, it's revealed Peter didn't even know what 9/11 was until months after...he walked in, saw Lois watching the coverage with tears in her eyes, and he laughs and says it must be a woman pilot. THAT'S NOT F*CKING FUNNY!
- You'd think Seth MacFarlane would hold more respect for the victims of 9/11, considering he was almost one of them.
- Objection, Seth MacFarlane did not write that episode. Let's give the guy some credit, and assume he didn't read the script until after. But, yeah...that joke should have been vetoed quick.
- Overruled. He voices two of the main characters; of course he read the script beforehand.
- You'd think Seth MacFarlane would hold more respect for the victims of 9/11, considering he was almost one of them.
- For me, the DMOS showed up in the episode "No Chris Left Behind" when the family went to see the Nutcracker and Stewie turned to Meg and said "You know Meg, female ballet dancers are famous for anorexia and bulimia, and uh...seems to work out for them. So, hintidy hint hint." Um...ok I know Meg bashing is a Running Gag for this show but that wasn't even funny. Heck the first time I saw that part in the episode I felt disgusted. In part because I've had anorexia myself in the past, and looking back on it I can only hope that I don't ever go down that road again. Telling Meg, who was just minding her own business, that she should develop an eating disorder...could he have acted any more like a unlikeable jerkass? Oh, and that's not the first time...he also deliberately picked at Jillian's issues with her weight and the knowledge that she has bulimia in order to get her to throw up all so he could take one of her teeth to give to the tooth fairy. And Jillian has always been genuinely nice to Stewie! Oh, and basically just the fact that Stewie was getting his daily lulz out of something as potentially life-threatening as having an eating disorder.
- That was very off putting to me as well. Another thing about the situation with Jillian's eating disorder that upset me was Brian's way of dealing with it. His girlfriend is causing serious harm to herself, but Brian doesn't do anything to help her because it makes her look "so hot" to him. What a selfish jackass.
- I think we should start listing all the worst Flanderization moments that have degraded Lois from a loving mother and wife to a abusive shrew:
- "Go Stewie Go" had Lois trying to fuck Meg's boyfriend, giving the wall banging excuse that Meg's boyfriend was trying to "rape" her when Meg caught them in the act, and then having the gall to insist that she could easily steal him away from her daughter if she wanted to during her "apology". Wasn't this repulsive woman a mother?
- "Peter-assment" was an alright episode, as it made Peter out to be a much nicer guy than most episodes do (even counting him deciding to assault his boss), however, it finished off Lois as a likeable character for me...namely "It doesn't count as sexual harrasment if it's a woman on a man"...so let me get this straight. Men don't care if someone touches them if it's a woman, because we enjoy it no matter what, even if we really can't stand the person, and we are already deeply devoted to the woman we love? And because of that, it doesn't count as sexual harrasment? Coupled with her just ignoring the fact that Meg was, in fact, sexually harrased by a teacher...for god's sake, I never wanted a character to be permanently killed off so much.
- I'd say it's worse than that: some have noticed that Meg isn't getting as much abuse this season as before (maybe someone's been reading this page). This was, in a way, the case here, but the conversation was so obviously meant to set up either Peter or Lois laughing at and insulting Meg that it was as if the writers figured that if they can't abuse Meg, they're not going to try to write for her.
- Oh, Lois had an even worse moment in that episode! When Peter's boss called him to harass him over the phone, Peter begs Lois to tell her (his boss) he's not home. Lois calls him a baby, then gets back on the phone and says "Peter's in the shower...touching himself to your picture." All said with a smile on her face. So Peter has no choice but to take the call. What the fucking hell, woman?!
- The level of general Character Derailment is at the point of no return: I was aware that what Lois did was actually quite heinous, but I just couldn't feel bad about it. Considering that the last time Peter accused someone of sexual assault was his doctor for a digital rectal exam, it was impossible for me to feel empathy for him.
- One must remember in that episode, when Peter walked in the kitchen looking traumatised, Lois asks what's wrong, to which Peter says, "I was raped." Though it's true that Peter wasn't raped, one MUST remember that Lois's first reaction to this statement is that she LAUGHS! WTF Lois?!?
- The level of general Character Derailment is at the point of no return: I was aware that what Lois did was actually quite heinous, but I just couldn't feel bad about it. Considering that the last time Peter accused someone of sexual assault was his doctor for a digital rectal exam, it was impossible for me to feel empathy for him.
- There's also the massive gap in logic that Lois doesn't seem to care that another woman is trying to seduce her husband.
- Lois basically telling Meg that she should kill herself in the episode "Stew-Roids". At one point in the episode Lois attempted to comfort Meg who was denied the right to attend a party Chris was holding at their own house. However, Lois gives up trying to comfort Meg after 45 minutes, gives her a Sylvia Plath novel, a bottle of Ambien and leaves her to her misery, saying "whatever happens, happens." All because she couldn't be bothered to spend any more of her precious time on Meg. That moment pretty much made Lois out to be the ultimate Scrappy in my eyes.
- In the episode "Peter's Daughter" when Meg thinks she's pregnant, she refuses to have an abortion. Lois suggests Meg consider drinking and smoking a lot to cause a miscarriage, but not to "wimp out halfway through", because Lois ended up with Chris.
- Not to mention when Peter's actions put Meg in a coma Peter starts to feel bad and rethink how he's been treating Meg. And what does Lois tell Peter when he says he feels like he never treated Meg as well as he should have? "Oh, don't be too hard on yourself, Peter. We all do things that we're not proud of." It's just the idea that she basically doesn't think the fact that Peter put Meg into a coma is that big of a deal. F*ck THAT! It IS a big f*cking deal!
- The episode that consisted of Brian getting a pilot published which was then butchered by TV execs with a subplot of Stewie suffering a severe head injury and Chris and Meg have to cover it up while he's unconscious. The jokes ranged from mediocre to Dude Not Funny. I was horrified that they tried to cover up Stewie's injury by throwing him under the car while it was pulling out, and the incest joke that was included in Brian's butchered show was disgusting.
- It's completely understandable to have a subplot where a character gets knocked out and the others pretend he's okay, but when it's an infant that's knocked out, and the family shows callous disregard of the injury to the point of negligence (maggots growing on exposed brain matter, a goddamn raccoon gnawing at the wound), it just goes from being in bad taste to becoming completely, unrepentantly horrible.
- I would like to to point out that was Peter who threw Stewie under that car, because he wanted to make Lois think she was behind Stewie's injury for no good reason and and that Meg was going to take Stewie to hospital but Peter stopped. This leads to another example of Lois' character derailment when she immediately suggests a cover-up, just as Peter had been doing.
- The episode where Brian got angry over the Army being allowed to try and recruit at Meg and Chris's high school was it for me. I'd had enough of him at that point.
- Peter shooting the Native American girl (who was about to be raped no less) in "April In Quahog". Might as well rename the show to Misogyny Guy at this point.
- There's also when it's implied Meg strangled a cat to death. Seriously, Meg??? Great, now she's the Family Guy equivalent of Evil Manga Kaworu.
- The episode "Dog Gone". It was pretty much just scenes of dogs getting mutilated and killed horribly, paired with an animal rights aesop. It also shows that Brian's family would love to kill and eat him to see what he tastes like, but after hearing (falsely) that he died, they still manage to be sad about it. That was the episode that ruined the rest of the series for me.
- I seriously couldn't enjoy any part of that episode. Also, I found it weird that at the town meeting, Brian was demanding that everyone stop eating meat, even though he's a dog ... an animal that is, by nature, carnivorous. Even today, a dog's diet consists mainly of meat or meat based products and Brian's always been shown eating meat throughout the series, so from where did this come?
- This may not qualify, since it was technically on The Cleveland Show, but it was a crossover episode, and the DMoS moments apply to Family Guy characters. So in this episode, Cleveland finds out that his ex-wife Loretta had died, and he doesn't know why he is so sad about it, considering that he hated her in every way possible. This seems like a decent emotional plot to an episode, except for the cause of death. Quagmire travels down to Cleveland's new (old) town to tell Cleveland that Peter had accidentally dropped a T-Rex skeleton (don't ask) on Cleveland's house from Family Guy, where Loretta was living. She was in the bathtub and fell out of the house in that silly way Cleveland did a lot, except she broke her neck when the tub hit the ground. Instead of calling an ambulance, Peter stood there and laughed at her "gross boobs." This was a horrible thing to do, even for Peter.
- Oh, AND Quagmire took Loretta's dead body, put it in a French Maid costume, and then had sex with it before driving it to Cleveland's for a proper burial.
- At the end of the episode FOX-y Lady, Lois reveals that she no longer works for FOX, with no explanation given to how or why, then she gives a piss poor excuse that no one cares, to make up for the writers' inability to properly end the episode. As a writer, it's your job to atleast attempt to write a proper ending.
- The 150th episode begins with another Brian and Stewie episode. Brian eats Stewie's poo. And washes it down with Stewie's puke. Then wipes Stewie with his tongue. Squick does not even begin to describe it.
- For me, it was Brian trying to pierce Stewie's ear, and getting the pin lodged inside his ear canal and getting it stuck...I mean, my GOD.
- At the end of the episode Brian appears to say "I hope you enjoyed this very special episode." This merely served as adding insult to injury.
- There was also the incredibly hamfisted character drama between Stewie and Brian, especially Brian being suicidal which comes out of nowhere and is done in the most eye rollingly bad fashion imaginable. And then afterwards Brian and Stewie proclaim that they're best friends and they love each other...which makes no sense when just a few minutes earlier, Stewie made Brian eat his poop and outright said he did it just to see if he could get Brian to do it.
- I was excited to hear that the episode was supposed to have no random cutaway scenes. I wanted to see if Family Guy would be able to stand on its own without them, and boy was I not surprised. It was a 45 minute long bottle episode, taking place entirely in a bank vault. The other fifteen minutes was just old/unaired footage. Cheapest milestone event EVER.
- The episode did not even contain humor, nor make an attempt to. In a comedy show, they didn't even try to do anything funny, or even very entertaining.
- It was like they were just trying to see if they could piss off everyone watching the show...
- Considering the episode upped Brian's Sueness to previously unheard levels, brought Stewie IMMENSELY OOC, focused it solely on those two, I have a feeling it was more of a take that to everyone who complained.
- The only episode I turned off due to sheer boredom with it all, and I can't be the only one
- The episode "Quagmire's Dad" takes the Brian hate to a new level with the blatant, unprovoked one-sided "fight" between Brian and Quagmire (who I'd already lost respect for because of his The Reason You Suck Speech to Brian), not to mention the subsequent death threat.
- The entire plot of the episode was cringe worthy, it starts off with the portrayal of an Easy Sex Change that is Played For Laughs and Squick for the entirety of the episode. The sex change is shown to not only change sex but do everything else as well. I believe the character in question even became shorter due to the operation as she is seen in heels the rest of the episode. No one in the episode sides with transsexuals, they just seem to have varying degrees of disgust regarding the whole situation. Quagmire admitting he just wants his dad to be happy is the closest thing. To top it all of, there wasn't even a real ending, Brain and Quagmire fight and then Brain says "I fucked your dad". No resolution, No Aesop, just "Hey look! Isn't this gross?"
- This episode gets frickin' worse: Lois and Peter. I'm perfectly fine with Peter being an insensitive douche but Lois is Brian's friend. I mean I know his plots are boring but they totally treated him like garbage and chased him out and then laughed and laughed about how he was dating a transsexual instead of breaking it to him gently. Peter maybe but not Lois. And especially not after an episode where we learn Brian was contemplating suicide. My god these writers have lost all sense of shame and decorum.
- This episode shows Brian's worst descent from the likable voice of reason to Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist, and then enters outright jerkass territory towards the end of the episode. He starts out needy and harbours unhealthy levels of self-importance when Lois isn't on-board with his every move. Upon meeting Ida, he forces a mention of the pretentious-sounding seminar he's attended to strike up a conversation, and continues to label himself a "writer" despite recent episodes showing his woeful ineptitude. Brian makes out with Ida, and presumably reach fourth base in Ida's hotel room. Upon his return home, he's pissed that Lois is unable to show genuine interest in his seminar (did he ask anyone else what they'd be up to?), but is excited to mention the woman he met last night. Sure, Lois' reaction to the photo is uncharacteristically harsh, but when Brian hears from Stewie about Quagmire's (as-yet-unnamed) father having undergone gender reassignment surgery, he reacts just as brutally (and silences Meg when she does ask him about the seminar). Upon the reveal, Brian's disgust is a protracted Vomit Indiscretion Shot that was presumably meant by the writers to appear squicky, but if we could all take a moment to consider the long-running and unignorable quirk in the series' run of interspecies romance Brian has encountered: Ida may have a vagina that has been surgically constructed from her inverted penis, but Brian is a freakin' DOG! Brian has no right to be so vomit-inducingly disgusted (or require thorough scrubbing afterward) when he discovers that his partner was not born female, when he isn't even the same species as her. To top it, yelling to Quagmire, "I fucked your dad" confirms his unwarranted prejudice, and any remaining shred of sympathy dissolves hereon. Way to go, Brian. A real mature retort there.
- Sounds like another fail parody of a 90's pop reference. The Crying Game at least was treated well by Robot Chicken.
- Along with all this, let's not forget that Brian is the victim here, and he didn't even do anything wrong. He didn't know that was Quagmire's father. And Quagmire's righteous indignation and beating of Brian is especially hypocritical when you consider the fact that there are probably hundreds of people who'd be far more justified in beating him half to death for raping them and/or their loved ones. Or maybe one of those children he's fathered, but never sees, could give him a good beating.
- Me personally, this was the episode where I gave up on Quagmire. Yes, I could agree with some of what he said in "Jerome is the New Black" (even IF it made Brian cry), but senselessly beating the crap out of somebody who had no idea of what he did was wrong, and didn't EVEN want to fight back (and was RUNNING AWAY IN FEAR) is... just... WOW. Seriously, if there a REASON for causing friction between Quagmire and Brian, ok, fine. ...but god damn, Seth...
- The entire reason of Quagmire beating Brian makes no sense to me. Is it normal practice in Eagleland to attack your ugh... mother's boyfriend? It looks like they just thought it would be cool make Glenn beating Brian. But it's not just not funny it's not even an attempt to be funny. It's just horrible.
- Me personally, this was the episode where I gave up on Quagmire. Yes, I could agree with some of what he said in "Jerome is the New Black" (even IF it made Brian cry), but senselessly beating the crap out of somebody who had no idea of what he did was wrong, and didn't EVEN want to fight back (and was RUNNING AWAY IN FEAR) is... just... WOW. Seriously, if there a REASON for causing friction between Quagmire and Brian, ok, fine. ...but god damn, Seth...
- "Horton Hears Domestic Abuse and Doesn't Call 911". If they were going for Refuge In Audacity, they failed, because that is exactly how if works in Real Life. It's disturbing to watch and made me feel sick.
- The joke itself was pretty funny (Ha, Dr. Seuss wrote a book named "Horton Hears Domestic Abuse and Doesn't Call 911". This makes no sense, why would someone write such book for children? Thats makes me laugh) Manatee Gag just ruined it. It didn't add anything but disturbing context.
- I was really shocked when I first witnessed that cutaway, so nowadays, I would change the channel for a few seconds. They could've thought of a less painful cutaway to fill 22 minutes?
- All the put downs towards women in "The Splendid Source" literally made this troper say, "screw you" to her television.
- Seconded. I had given up on Family Guy, but decided to give IT one more chance. I thought this episode was kind of funny. Then I got up to the point where Peter is in the room with the smartest people in the room, and smugly comments, "Not a lot of women." Well, this woman is smart enough to skip this show and its lazy, misogynistic writers.
- I happen to be politically conservative, and swore off Family Guy after about seven seasons' worth of straw man arguments. Stewie in a Nazi uniform with a "McCain/Palin" button? Check. Peter repeating "We should bomb Iraq" at the 9/11 memorial? Check. I literally threw my Family Guy DV Ds away.
- Dude, Mac Phisto is a borderline MARXIST, and even he is disgusted by Seth's endless left-wing strawmanship (gives the rest of us a bad name). I believe that Sarah Palin is the worst thing to happen to this country since it was founded, and even I think "comparing-Republicans-to-Nazis" is both in bad taste and incredibly stupid.
- "Patriot Games", home of the infamous "Where's my money?" scene and the infamous "Shipoopi" scene. The sheer unnecessary-ness of the second scene was parodied five years later in a clip show, when Stewie cringes at the fact that they have to do "Shipoopi" again.
- The episode "Partial Terms of Endearment" (Unaired by FOX) made me so disappointed and disturbed. Not like I have anything to do with pro-life, but somehow they managed to convince me that probably they won't do abortion. I thought "Oh, it's like season finale, maybe they decided to add new character to family with hilarity and heartwarming ensuing. That must be great, even if it won't things can't get worse" but no.
- What's even more offensive is the way Peter keeps trying to induce an abortion on Lois.
- It gets even worse when Peter, for the sole purpose of providing a counter argument, is persuaded to become pro life after a 30 second video clip, even by his standards of stupidity, that's too ridiculous. Especially when he went from trying to kill the baby several times to being against abortion in the event of incest, genetic disorders, and even rape. What the fuck?
- This is made even worse, because abortion is a serious topic, and having the dumbest character on the show become the anti abortion strawman for no reason is completely offensive to a serious issue.
- This is going to be controversal: In one episode, Peter gets shipwrecked and Brian becomes Lois' new husband. We see that Brian has sexual interest in Lois, but she refuses to do youknowwhat, even though he is a way better father than Peter. In the end, Lois is together with Peter again and NOW she tells Brian that sie did wanted to move their beds together, elaborating on what kinds of things she would have liked to do with him. Don't get me wrong, dog-on-woman is creepy and just gross. But do you really have to tease him with this? Goddammit, he got your daughter a date with a famous sports reporter (which had one of the few funny lines in this episode BTW)! It just feels like she was saying "Yeah, you were nice, but I don't feel like you should be rewarded for it. So FUCK YOU!" This scene makes me want to pay somebody to do a Flash animation in which Lois gets repeatedly stabbed with a rusty knife.
- "Go Stewie Go". The episode was basically justifying Lois and her Wallbanging motivation of trying to fuck Meg's boyfriend, being so selfish to ignore the fact that this was apparently the first normal guy Meg has ever dated (which the episode also goes out of its way to exaggeratedly point this out). Does she take a moment to respect her daughter? (or her husband, but she's already cheated on him before, so...) No! She just continues on in her already Scrappy Flanderization. And she gets off the whole ordeal with giving a simple (and horrible) apology to Meg and Peter (wait ''silly me'' she didn't apologise to Peter, '''she blamed him''' for the whole thing!).
- The A-plot of "Go Stewie Go", I understand they were trying to do "Tootsie", but seriously, all they did was replace "soap opera" with "kids' show." That's it, that's all it it was, other than the "band aid" gag, there was ZERO originality.
- Peter exhibiting incestuous attraction towards Meg in the episode "Go Stewie Go" was downright disgusting and made this troper rather uncomfortable, especially when he made Meg kiss him on the lips. Given that Peter is already filling in the verbal and physical abuse aspects of being an abusive parent we can now add sexual abuse as well!
- But the ultimate DMoS of the episode was the bar scene. Did Brian just try and hit on a baby girl? It may have been Stewie in drag, sure, but the point of the costume was to fool the producers that he was ''A ONE YEAR OLD GIRL!'' Wouldn't Brian also think that this is a ONE YEAR OLD's hand that he's trying to place on his other tail?
I think Not All Dogs go to Heaven should be the only one with a folder as of now. Let's compare the entry numbers of the episodes folderised as of this writing (note: some of the numbers may be off a little. But only by a little):
- Not All Dogs go to Heaven: 26 entries.
- Family Gay and Road to the Multiverse: 8 entries.
- Brian's Got a Brand New Bag: 7 entries.
- Go Stewie Go: 4 entries.
- Meg bashing (although that one shouldn't count, they can be seperated to their respecive episodes).
- Lois derailing (again, that could be seperated).
- Quagmire's Dad (not 10, but rather long).
can someone please explain why my entry of "Declaring Maggie Gyllenhaal and Jake Gyllenhaal to be the the ugliest people in Hollywood" keeps getting deleted?
Seriously folks, why the occultic obsession with Not all Dogs go to Heaven here at Tv Tropes? I expected to find it mentioned on this article (it's mentioned everywhere else Family Guy is mentioned on this site) but jts two sections: Not all Dogs go to Heaven and... all other episodes?
On the archived protest over blaming Seth Mc Farlane for everything, when he allows his views to interfere with the show then he deserves blame.
No explanation was given for this removal:
- As if other hinted it with this episode proves Peter is now a sociopath as if his character derailment wasn't bad enough, he apparently beat up Chris and Meg all the time when they were Stewie's age and covered up their wounds and tells Chris and Meg that he's proud of them for covering up Stewie's accident and makes it even worse by throwing him under Lois' car making his wounds even worse and blames it all on her that is downright evil.
I'm not sure that the Dial Meg for Murder is a good example. It's established that the reason she changes back is because the article describes her as being sweeter and kinder then the average american girl despite all the hardships endured. It showed that she was SUPERIOR TO THE AVERAGE AMERICAN GIRL.