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07:40:24 AM Feb 28th 2016
Why was my edit taken out, save for some stuff at the start?
09:17:58 PM Mar 3rd 2016
I just did, and all the info I got was "None of this information needs to be here" which is debatable since I personally believe that more information is usually better and it will help any newcomers understand the content creator more. And since the person who edited it out is someone I can assume is not the creator, then really what power or authority does Alchorative have for the info I put be taken off? It's like if I were to take out the Melvin Brother of the Joker stuff from Doug Walker's pages since he considers it an old shame, or removing info of David Bowie's pages about his darker years in the 70s since it's somewhat uncomfortable. Even though I have no real authority to say "nope, you can't put that info there, the creator wouldn't like it I bet."
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09:03:47 PM Feb 27th 2016
edited by seminoles8
edited by seminoles8
Here's one thing I don't understand, even if none of you here agree with me on this, Lily still continues to bash South Park (especially on her tumblr), yet calls Family Guy a much better show, and even considers it among her favorites, despite being not that much superior to the former, objectively speaking that is.
03:52:48 AM Feb 28th 2016
She likes Family Guy more than South Park, obviously. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that.
06:37:13 AM Feb 28th 2016
edited by seminoles8
edited by seminoles8
What I have trouble understanding is how, she considers Family Guy to be a better show than South Park, despite many people knowing that objectively speaking, it really isn't that much superior to the latter.
11:03:46 AM Feb 29th 2016
edited by seminoles8
edited by seminoles8
So, you're pretty much saying that folks like me, Doug Walker, and yes even Seth Macfarlane (though he doesn't like the show either, he's at least much more tolerant of it, given his response about the Cartoon Wars 2-parter at 2007 Comic Con), are wrong for thinking that both shows are actually of more or less equal quality?
11:26:47 AM Feb 29th 2016
She likes Family Guy better because it does being a low-brow comedy better than South Park does at being a thought-provoking satire.
11:57:00 AM Feb 29th 2016
So you're saying that she's right, and that anyone who thinks that South Park is a much better show, or is at least more tolerant of it, is wrong?
12:08:25 PM Feb 29th 2016
That's only what she thinks, I don't really have much of an opinion on either show.
02:41:33 PM Feb 29th 2016
edited by Alchorative
edited by Alchorative
It doesn't matter. You're the only one taking her opinion of South Park and Family Guy so personally. Obviously she thinks anybody who views South Park as superior is wrong, that's how opinions work. There's not really much to not understand here.
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06:15:43 AM Jan 15th 2016
Jesus Christ there's people editing this page with a more pissy triad than me, and I didn't even edit that much.
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03:58:49 AM Dec 16th 2015
What happened to the main page? Why is the wallbanger page gone? Wnat happened to the YMMV page?
05:26:36 AM Dec 16th 2015
We don't trope creators like that. A page focused on a work might be suitable for such material.
07:44:36 AM Dec 16th 2015
Also who is the troper that made this entirely new page? Because I see the history, and the troper that made/edited this page also is the only troper to edit the Stockholm page. I just want to point that out, I will not edit either page.
04:22:06 PM Dec 16th 2015
What do you mean "we don't trope creators like that"? Mr enter has a wallbangers page so why is this page any different?
02:20:01 AM Dec 17th 2015
Mr Enter is better know for his video series. This page is a creator page so you can't make a Wall Banger pages for it.
11:57:02 AM Dec 18th 2015
I think I'm understanding the logic here, Mr Enter's wallbanger section are defiantly in relation to his work and his work alone, not for what he's done outside his work, while Lily Peet's page is only a creator page and discusses about Lily as a person here and there along with her work.
So then, I propose there should be a page made for her Glass of Water series and implement a wallbanger page there and make sure it only relates to that series (or for a new wallbanger page be made for Lily Peet and entries can only be about her work, including Go W, 3am Rambles, Minute series, lists, etc.)
While I get it'll be bad to directly insult the person, I think that having no way to criticize this bolt of controversy is not cool as there a lot of things one can criticize for her work (she's like a brony Movie Bob, and his Dethroning Moment page is still up, and they all talk about his work). It doesn't help that Lily is known to silence her detractors often, so there isn't too many areas where one can actually talk about issues with her work.
Though if the page won't be made, I understand, I won't try to make a new one, please don't suspend me again because I don't want to die...
06:25:18 PM Dec 18th 2015
On a side note, it looks like someone completely restored the YMMV page since the OP was written. Should that be taken care of?
02:21:36 AM Dec 19th 2015
The first entry (Acceptable Targets) looks like it's In-Universe, anyway.
04:13:38 AM Dec 19th 2015
The problem with the Wallbangers page was that, while Lily is not nearly as controversial as many people like to say she is (she goes after the safest targets in the book) she has a small number of very dedicated stalkers. The Wallbangers page was constantly being filled with things that either weren't true, were grossly misinterpreted, or in the case of one user making leaping conclusions (Lily saying Family Guy is better than South Park suddenly became Lily saying Family Guy can do no wrong). A Wallbangers entry cannot be based off false or inaccurate information and most of them were.
Lily is not known to silence her detractors, she has a strict approval system. This contention has already been covered under Base Breaker. People should be criticized, but the moderators separate highly subjective tropes from the main page for a reason. The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists for a reason.
You want to criticize everything you don't like about Lily, perhaps your own blog or Youtube channel would be the place for that. Not everything in the world is an open message board.
10:24:36 AM Dec 19th 2015
edited by Alchorative
edited by Alchorative
No I'm not Lily. I've been a viewer for a while and I like using TV Tropes. This is what I mean when I say people have a nasty habit of making strange, leaping conclusions. And if I was biased to making Lily look as good as possible, I wouldn't have bothered adding a Wallbangers page in the first place. Or kept the entries that weren't blatantly made up. Or kept half the crap on the YMMV page.
10:57:12 AM Dec 19th 2015
Okay... I'll believe you. I mean, to make it subtle you're not biased towards someone, you leave in some of the more divisive things about a person. And honestly, the YMMV isn't as "nasty" as you may think it is. And it's not a strange leaping conclusion at all.
If all my history was dedicated to a Z-list You Tuber, let's say a "Mister Elaborate Person" who is a fan of Larry King, Assassin's Creed, and Pound Puppies, for years on end, then it's only logical you'd be bound to suspect something, like "who's this person working on pages about Mister Elaborate Person, and the things he likes, kinda odd ain't it? And this person also edits pages for AC, Larry King, and Pound Puppies, just what MEP likes, hmmmmmm..." You see what I mean?
Plus I see you edited your response, so who knows what you said earlier.
11:59:40 AM Dec 19th 2015
Thing is: Lily has nothing to gain by maintaining her own TV Tropes page. TV Tropes Administration follows the same line of thought she does that a website doesn't necessarily have to let it's users run around unchecked and unmoderated. If I wasn't removing poorly constructed, agenda-driven edits, somebody else inevitably would be.
12:33:53 PM Dec 19th 2015
Everybody got stupid agendas. I should know because I had one, and I got punished. I learned my lesson, and hopefully I won't fuck up. Either way, I'm impressed with your dedication and I will give you a thumbs up. Unless you are Lily and you're trying really hard to prove to me you aren't Lily, or a close friend of hers, then I will give you a disappointing head shake.
And if you aren't Lily, what are some things you don't agree with Lily on? There's gotta be something, you can't just agree with her 100% of the time, that's total dedication right there.
01:11:53 PM Dec 19th 2015
I don't agree with her 100%, but that doesn't matter. If I had a disagreement to make, I'd take it up with her. She's not exactly difficult to get ahold of.
01:59:37 PM Dec 19th 2015
You have passed my "not-Lily" test... unless you're secretly referring to her RVI era, or to video's she's not too fond of anymore, which would technically mean you don't 100% agree with her, which means there could still be a connection!
THAT! OR I'M GRASPING AT STRAWS!!
(most likely the latter)
02:53:24 AM Dec 21st 2015
Hey Al, wasn't it just one guy who was constantly adding his stuff back to the dethroning moment page?
08:40:46 AM Dec 21st 2015
There were a couple of people making one-time edits that featured fake or misrepresented information, one in particular was really adamant about them.
04:38:48 PM Dec 23rd 2015
What I meant was that wasn't it one person who added back their edits, not a bunch of people adding back their edits?
06:55:21 PM Dec 23rd 2015
Yes, but as a moderator above said: Creators aren't supposed to have Wallbanger pages in the first place. That was my mistake to make it.
07:52:42 PM Dec 24th 2015
Wait, than shouldn't josh's dethroning moment page be removed?
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