Not really because in the events of Death of X the royals were fully aware of the effects of the cloud on mutantkind, and took a stance based on the survival of their culture above the lives of mutants AND were preparing for retaliation from mutants over the clouds (a conversation Beast overheard).
All the Royals did prior to this was to give mutants a token helping hand by having Beast and Iso team up and see if they can come up with something, meanwhile the cloud was still going all over the place and still affecting mutants (as seen in other books).
So maybe the Nu Humans are more sensible and seeing both sides have a point, but then it still falls down on life-and-death vs drastic cultural change.
Also, Uncanny Inhumans #20 says that Black Bolt didnt know terrigen mist was toxic to mutants before setting them off during the events of Infinity, but there was a precedent following the events of Decimation where Quicksilver subjected depowered mutants to Terrigen Mists and did them harm, although did not kill them.
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
Wouldn't that change in the attitude of the Royals be exactly a zig zag? If it isn't, what trope would apply? I suppose Hypocrite if Medusa doesn't really mean it. The Both Sides Have a Point trope seems to apply to the general theme of the books, looking at the solicitations for the early ones.
At the end, both the Nu Humans and the Royals agree that avoiding drastic cultural change isn't a valid reason to keep the cloud, in other words, Emma was right.
In X-Factor, a group of depowered mutants attempted to use Terrigen to regain their powers. One exploded and rest nearly did so.
Since Black Bolt looks happy at the end, despite all the deaths he's caused (albeit unwittingly), does he count as a Karma Houdini?
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Even if it is a zig zag, it's changing your stance on a very weak argument to begin with — it's the writers that wanted to make it seem that both sides/arguments to be equal, when they're clearly not.
I'd say yes, Black Bolt is a karma houdini.
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
So would you put this change as a Zig Zag, Author's Saving Throw, or a Broken Base?
Author's Saving Throw, and a failed one at that because no one really buys it.
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
I guess this is a subversion. Following Prescriptive vs. Descriptive Language, the wiki uses descriptive language- in other words, that enumerates facts without making value judgments. Based in their description, the history treated both the sides as having a point before of the ending revealing that, not, one of the sides have not a valid point .
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But one of the sides not having a valid point was not the intention of the authors. The authors, both Lemire and Soule, were making the argument that both sides had valid point — it's just that the readers don't agree with that.
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
Nope, because the authors' intentions did not change.
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
whose statements? closest i can think of is actually heel realization
And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
I meant the writers. In the solicitations, they seem to be on board with Both Sides Have A Point until the final issue. It should probably be Author's Saving Throw with a potential Flip-Flop of God mentioned.
A couple of things that might apply as Fridge Logic (or Horror) if they haven't been addressed.
The first is, even if the X-men leave earth and miraculously somehow take all active mutants with them, mutants can't be neatly separated from baseline humans because the latter can give birth to the former. Most of the X-men had baseline parents. That's why people with the mutant potential in "Days of Future Past" were forbidden from breeding. Unless they're also sterilized, there would be a steady stream of mutant children born who die after their powers manifest.
Second, if you think about it, the Inhumans have to help the mutants deal with the Terrigen cloud. If it spreads out over the world, there are two possibilities. One is despite being strong enough to kill every mutant, it'll be too diffuse to cause Terrigenesis in Inhumans. Then they would have to use Forge's machine to gather it for their future progeny to have powers. The other is that it will be concentrated enough to cause Terrigenesis. Everywhere. All the time. Their children would undergo it soon after birth, maybe even in utero, and keep experiencing it for the rest of their lives along with the existing Inhumans. In addition, anyone with any Inhuman genes but too few to survive it like Inferno's mother and Flint's town would die.
Also, have the "Universal Inhumans" and their methods of gaing powers been mentioned?
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Since the X-men's plan relied on Forge's machine, would Storm only sending Logan as a guard count as an Idiot Ball?
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Definitely, especially since Forge clearly demonstrates they have hazmat suits that could protect anyone without a healing factor from the mist's effects.
Since Iv X went from Ms. Marvel asking who the good guys were and Iso saying that she wasn't sure if she still would have destroyed Forge's machine if she knew all the facts to Medusa saying at the end that Terrigenesis wasn't worth "one mutant life", can we say that the "Both Sides Have a Point" trope has been zig-zagged?
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