08:58:05 AM Feb 24th 2012
Would it be appropriate to consider Dawn a Cloud Cuckoo Lander? I have two reasons to possibly justify this: 1) Other characters view her as weird or creepy. 2) In episode two, she states that disaster will befall Dakota if she remains at Camp Wawanakwa. Six episodes later, Dawn's prediction came to fruition (not going to spoil it for those who haven't seen it), possibly invoking the Cuckoolander Was Right or a similar trope.
06:58:17 AM Mar 1st 2012
Being considered weird doesn't make someone a Cloud Cuckoo Lander.
01:43:36 PM Jan 22nd 2012
I hate how every new character is automatically an Expy of someone else, just because they're new. Can I delete some?
11:37:39 AM May 17th 2011
I think there's a glitch when pages become redirects that doesn't move the discussion pages, so I guess we'll probably have to make a new one.
09:32:50 AM Apr 28th 2011
What's with all the tropes for the new season's characters? We know pretty much nothing about them! How do we know if those tropes will actually apply to the new characters? With the exception of a few tropes that have to do with physical attributes, we really don't know whether or not those tropes will apply to those characters, and I think those tropes should be removed.
02:34:10 PM Apr 27th 2011
And now, just trying to straighten something out. For TDROTI, the blonde with the green shirt is Dawn and the redhead with the flower in her hair is Zoey. Or... Dakota? Does anyone even know anymore?
01:38:18 PM Apr 25th 2011
Go to the main page's discussion area. There has been a supposedly official trailer for season four.
10:35:15 PM Mar 25th 2011
On some removed tropes:
- Karmic Death (or "Elimination") - This refers to a situation where the villain is dispatched by the script in order to avoid having the hero commit murder. You could come up with an elimination equivalent, but it hasn't thus far been used in the show. It would essentially require a villainous player to be eliminated under circumstances that were not at all facilitated by their chief antagonists. The voting system generally makes this unlikely, but it would basically have to be something along the lines of Sierra's elimination being applied to a villain.
- Not So Different - Gwen and Duncan never have differences between them played up; hence, Birds of a Feather. It's not every case where characters are similar.
- Evil Counterpart - Harold and Duncan contrast with each other in essentially every aspect. An Evil Counterpart is someone who is similar to a good character in pretty much all essential points except morality.
08:25:31 AM Mar 15th 2011
I have another question... Do we really need Five-Man Band tropes for all the contestants? Some of them certainly fit one of the roles, but they aren't all easy to put into a category, and some fit more than one. For example, Eva. I just think we should remove those tropes. What does everyone else think?
12:42:15 AM Mar 23rd 2011
I'd say not. Most of them seem to be pretty Square Peg, Round Trope attempts to reinterpret every team into a Five-Man Band. Remember, not all teams with various roles are Five Man Bands, and most of these roles are much more specific than their use here would imply. (e.g. The Hero is explicitly not an Anti-Hero.)
07:54:01 AM Mar 25th 2011
09:38:16 AM Mar 25th 2011
Well some teams like Team Chris Is Really Really Really Really Hot actually do appear to be Five Man Bands (and Noah and Owen's roles at the very least are obvious and constant), but I find it odd that people have tried to shove the ELEVEN person teams into these roles. What?
01:16:03 PM Mar 25th 2011
I'd debate Team Chris. Owen definitely is not The Big Guy (it's defined as the physical powerhouse, which he clearly is not), and you run into issues trying to pin it on the other characters, particularly for the essential Hero/Lancer pair. One might say Owen's The Chick, but even so, two well-defined roles isn't really enough to make the Five-Man Band.
09:08:52 AM Mar 26th 2011
Maybe we could put the Five-Man Band stuff on the YMMV page? Or would that just be stupid?
12:36:52 AM Apr 5th 2011
I'd vote against that. While the theory works, putting them on the YMMV page will just attract people to restore them, citing the fact that the tropes are not strictly classified as YMMV.
07:42:53 PM Mar 14th 2011
Would anyone object to including Big Bad in Heather (season 1), Justin (season 2, though he was more of a Disk One Final Boss), Courtney (season 2), and Al (season 3). Reason being, while Chris is the overall villain and defiently the Big Bad, that doesn't mean he's the only one who can have the title. This seems like a prime example of a Big Bad Ensemble. They're each a bigger threat than the individual contestants and are the main antogonist of the season in question among them. That and the trope Big Bad Ensemble does say one villain can be more dangerous than the other and this still work. A series is not limited to a single Big Bad, so I don't see why they shouldn't be counted as Big Bad as well.
08:19:22 AM Mar 15th 2011
Just make sure you specify which season they're the Big Bad in and it should be fine. If not, we'll find out soon enough.
06:59:43 PM Mar 19th 2011
To clarify because someone reverted the edit and their justification shows they didn't understand the meaning of Big Bad Ensemble means one villain can come out over the others and them all still be Big Bad, should I put it back or just leave as is? Because in my mind, the justification they used shows they didn't read Big Bad Ensemble because the reason they removed it is perfectly in line with that trope.
01:46:54 PM Mar 20th 2011
Well with Big Bad, once they are defeated, that's it, the good guys win the arc.That's not the case with Total Drama. The goal isn't to defeat so-and-so, but to win Chris's show. Defeating Heather and Courtney didn't end the arc. Maybe Alejandro because he lasted till the end. The writers said Chris is the TRUE villian and none of them are anywhere near as dangerous or threatening as him. They fall victim to him as well.
09:13:03 AM Mar 13th 2011
10:04:25 AM Feb 20th 2011
Also... should the Out of Focus trope be added to some characters' descriptions? Someone put it on Izzy's.
10:20:46 AM Feb 20th 2011
Re: Expy; I don't know what happened to it. It might have been accidentally deleted, but I can't find any evidence that that happened during either Spell Blade's YMMV cleanup or mine. If you have good information on it you can probably put it back. Re: Out of Focus; I don't see why not. It's already on several characters' lists (like Noah, Eva, and Ezekiel.)
10:38:08 AM Feb 20th 2011
I don't know how to fix the Expy thing... it says she's an expy of 6Teen instead of Nikki Wong FROM 6Teen like it used to, but both parts are still there when you go to edit it. And, okay then on the Out of Focus thing.
01:56:11 PM Feb 19th 2011
Why did you block me??? I assume it was PPPSSC who did it, and I thought you were on my side! Please let me edit again! This is so not cool.
02:19:45 PM Feb 19th 2011
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I reported you because you went and undid Spell Blade's cleanup work—which I'll have to take his(?) side on because it was following the rules—to not only go against the rules but complain about them too. I see you have already found the edit ban appeal thread; that's your best bet to getting editing priveleges again.
04:15:29 PM Feb 19th 2011
Look, I'm sorry if I wasn't following the rules, but to me this just seemed really wrong with a lot of the tropes he deleted! Many of them were invoked or used in-universe, or don't seem like they should even be "subjective", while others that are considered "normal" are actually less objective. I actually did leave out a few of the subjective tropes he deleted, because for THOSE ones it was correct that they weren't clear enough and didn't belong there. I'm sorry if I came off as very defiant but I really do think our policies on zapping "subjective" tropes, and the definition of such tropes, needs to be revised. Plus, that edit of mine had some original content as well, which you've let stay. I know that you yourself have been editing this page while allowing those tropes to stay on there, and they've been there for a LONG time until just now. It wasn't really considered a "rule" until this Spell Blade guy brought it up! Come on, this is the first time I've done anything like this, I wasn't even aware it was that serious!
04:30:57 PM Feb 19th 2011
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04:46:15 PM Feb 19th 2011
Also, the text "in-universe" needs to appear in the example to avoid triggering the YMMV flag.
05:04:08 PM Feb 19th 2011
It's not my authority to judge what is or isn't a rule, and I personally was indifferent enough to the whole movement to just not bother fixing it, although I have helped when the sheer number wasn't cumbersome (also, I don't think the "while you're here" message was on the Character Sheets yet during those times; I don't remember it being there). Note that there is a significant difference between not caring enough to fix it, and changing it back after it was already fixed. I read every one of the tropes I re-removed, and if you notice, I revised and let stay the in-universe use of Fan Dumb. The truth is that I might not personally agree with some of them being called subjective, but the site does think so. The Audience Reactions, which most of them were, at least in part, also don't belong on the page. My editing of the subjective tropes on this page terminated after learning that it was against the rules, so anything that showed me talking about one of them (like Courtney's Character Derailment entry, for example) shows an outdated, ignorant view of the rules. I may add that some of the ones I re-removed were examples that I either wrote or expanded upon significantly myself. And like I said, the thread is the best place to appeal. I just reported you; it's not my place to deliver or undo punishments. I'm not a mod. I wasn't unilaterally upset at what you posted; and the reason I let the legitimate examples stay is because they were well, legitimate. I only removed the tropes that were listed as YMMV because they didn't belong there.
05:55:55 PM Feb 19th 2011
Well the thing is, TDI is a series that encourages, is hugely involved in and is clearly aware of shipping and fan stuff. So a lot of these fan-related tropes are either invoked in-universe or clearly intentionally referenced. Is there a way to specially flag certain subjective trope examples without having "in-universe"? Maybe you could make it so the same happens if you put "Intentional(ly)" in the example.
06:49:42 PM Feb 19th 2011
Like I said, I don't make the rules, but I will point out that a lot of the examples you put back were very clearly external fan phenomena that may or may not have been referenced in-universe (if they were you could say they were "referenced in-universe".) As for what is or isn't intentional, I think we should avoid assuming that it was. If Word of God said so, provide proof. Otherwise, just let it be on the YMMV tab; many of the tropes were already listed there and I added the others in.
08:39:18 PM Feb 19th 2011
Alright. But first, I need to be unbanned! Please, It's lonely and cold out here! :[
10:15:50 PM Feb 19th 2011
I don't have that kind of power. The fact is that you can only be unbanned if the mods say so.
11:54:25 PM Feb 19th 2011
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As far as I can tell, things like your most recent post in the forum thread have been good enough reason to lift bans in the past. And if that doesn't work, the mods will probably tell you why not and then you can use that information to try again. Edit: It seems as though people aren't reading the entire content of your post and are distracted by your comment about how you'd like to discuss what does and doesn't count. If that post was limited to the second paragraph, it would probably be easier to get your point across. The fact that you have shown sincere remorse is generally enough for them, and if it's not in this case, there's nothing here you've said to me that you haven't already said/can't say to them yourself.
09:24:00 PM Feb 23rd 2011
Okay, I don't know what's going on, but I'm still banned. PPPSSC, I need you to back me up in the forum!
04:19:14 PM Feb 8th 2011
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I don't know; maybe Insufferable Genius for Noah is too vaguely alluded to, but I didn't forget its definition. There were three reasons I put it there. 1) Gwen called him "know-it-all" in her insult rant, implying that was part of the reason people didn't like him. 2) He may have gotten voted off for being lazy, but could probably have avoided being pelted with marshmallows if he didn't say he was the "only one with any brains on [his] team". 3) The entire reason he was sitting out in the first place is because he thought the challenge was too intellectually inferior for him. If that's not good enough, that's fine. I just wanted to get my reasoning out in the open.
10:59:08 AM Feb 16th 2011
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Hm, may I offer a rebuttal? 1) Gwen was referring more towards his smugness and overconfidence than his actual intellect, and nobody (other than Duncan of course) seemed to have a problem with him in the episodes/moments before the dodgeball game. 2) True, but the comment was stated well after he managed to annoy them via rudeness alone, he was throwing a temper tantrum at the time so we can't really put much stock into it, not to mention he doesn't bring it up ever again. Since the trope description mentions that an Insufferable Genius "doesn't mind telling you repeatedly what a talented person he is" I hardly think one single comment can qualify him as that. 3) I definitely have to disagree with your third point, he specifically says he doesn't want to play because he isn't good at sports. Yes, his comment before it started indicated that he doesn't find them intellectually-stimulating, but the main reason is that he simply dislikes physical activity, a trait that anyone from an Insufferable Genius to a Dumb Blonde can have.
02:07:01 PM Feb 5th 2011
Does anyone know who labled Gwen as a "Slut Woobie"? It's been removed now, by me, but why was it on there? I thought the main problem we had now was Courtney bashing.
02:45:49 PM Feb 5th 2011
12:26:40 PM Feb 6th 2011
12:30:33 PM Feb 6th 2011
I don't think you're wrong, not in the slightest. She's Parody Sue all the way until the last three episodes or so. :-p
01:05:20 PM Feb 6th 2011
01:31:23 PM Feb 6th 2011
Still, Sierra is NOT a relationship sue... which is why I removed it.
01:48:05 PM Feb 6th 2011
Yeah, you don't even need to read past the first sentence to see that Sierra does not even REMOTELY qualify. "A perfect mate for a character". Terrifying stalker that he doesn't like until she proves herself to be more attentive to his life than his parents are, and even then only likes her as a friend? Not even close.
10:08:00 PM Feb 6th 2011
Yeah, sorry about that, that one was my bad. I was confusing that trope with Shallow Love Interest there, I guess.
12:03:57 PM Jan 22nd 2011
Should I add Sadie to Harold's Ship Tease description? There were small hints at it in the first season.
09:33:31 AM Jan 27th 2011
I really didn't see it. what episode(s) had that ship tease in it/them?
10:20:53 AM Jan 27th 2011
I think TDIA is talking about in Up The Creek when the two (plus Duncan) went to Boney Island in the same Canoe, and the cooking episode when Harold volunteered to work with Sadie.
02:39:06 PM Jan 13th 2011
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Okay, so I got Todd Kauffman to answer the question about Katie's ethnicity. It turns out she's supposed to be Caucasian. Should I put But Not Too White on her description? If not, is there another good way to signal this once and for all?
05:43:51 PM Jan 15th 2011
yes, you should put that trope there- but also PUT AN EXPLANATION, and a link to what Kauffman said if you have a way to do that. also, thank you for finding out the answer- for the last two months i've been trying to get the "ambiguously brown" trope to stay on her description cause no one knew what she was.
07:49:12 PM Jan 15th 2011
I was going to put the explanation on anyway; I just wanted to avoid Square Peg, Round Trope.
06:22:40 PM Jan 9th 2011
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04:45:32 PM Jan 11th 2011
09:17:21 PM Jan 15th 2011
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I made a mention of the recent Edit War on Ask The Tropers a while ago. There hasn't been any response, though. It might not be the appropriate place for the request, though; I see now that there's a "this article needs moderator assistance" box in the Tools section (new addition?). Might try there to get help, but I've never really been clear on what the appropriate way to deal with these problems is.
09:58:43 AM Jan 22nd 2011
I am just sick of Moleman9000. He is clearly a Courtney basher. Overblows everything. I do want the editwar to end. But if someone posts nice things about Courtney he erases them and makes her out to be a monster.
11:29:07 AM Jan 22nd 2011
Honestly? I agree with you. I hope the Edit War does end with Moleman 9000's controversial/downright wrong edits not there.
11:49:04 AM Jan 22nd 2011
Is there a way we can inform the moderators about this? I too hope it ends with his edits not there. Even if I get banned myself.
05:44:32 PM Jan 22nd 2011
Yes, seriously, I've had enough of this edit war! You're damn right I'm a Courtney basher, and with good reason! But I am NOT "overblowing" everything; I've revised and toned down my argument several times since this Edit War started, and at this point my edits aren't inaccurate at all. I've been compromising with you a good deal jollyrancher, but at this point you're simply trying to deny the facts. Several of my edits you repeatedly revert are not subjective at all. And also, I've been making TONS of other, proper revisions and additions to this page for all the other characters. You seem to also be ignoring that and not giving me any credit for all my well-accepted contributions.
09:34:42 AM Jan 27th 2011
how about putting all the varying opinions in either the discussion or YMMV page?
11:36:44 PM Jan 29th 2011
Is there any particular reason that Moleman 9000 keeps reverting my compromise on Courtney's Character Derailment? Does it seem too pro-Courtney (somehow)? I tried to keep it impartial, but if I didn't, explain what seemed inaccurate please.
11:34:21 AM Jan 30th 2011
Doesn't seem too pro- or anti- Courtney, but it does say she wasn't derailed as badly in World Tour as in Action- which some people might argue with. She was derailed in parts of both seasons, but in different ways- in Action she became a Jerk Sue, and was pretty terrible (not saying more), but in World Tour she lost her ****ing mind, turning into a Gwen-hater and trying to LOSE CHALLENGES to get rid of her, which IS a major derailment of her character- throughout the first two seasons and parts of the third, normal hyper-competitive Courtney would NOT have acted like that for the sake of revenge. Thankfully it was only temporary. Just voicing my opinion, sorry...
12:12:10 PM Jan 30th 2011
That was jollyrancher's new revision, not mine. Mine said that some people thought that her Character Derailment returned in the second half, and others did not. It went along with the entry on Alternate Character Interpretation, that said some people thought she was justifiably angry and others thought she went completely off the rails again. I can see how that entry appears biased/controversial, which is what I'm trying my best to avoid. And I would not call that a "compromise" either. I haven't re-edited mine in since posting the question.
02:19:26 PM Jan 30th 2011
My latest revision says that she arguably got either better OR worse. That works, right?
02:43:47 PM Jan 30th 2011
Well, it has the same problem as the earlier one, where it said "In Action and everything that happens between her, Gwen, and Duncan in World Tour". It isn't as controversial as many of the recent ones on either side of the issue, but the matter of degree in Action vs. second half of World Tour is a new issue (well, new to the actual edits at least), and it was already being warred over just by calling the second half of World Tour Character Derailment at all. I don't actually think it's that bad, but it still seems like Edit War bait.
05:11:02 PM Jan 30th 2011
how about just saying she got derailed in Action and in World Tour, but in different ways in each season, and leave it at that? would that be upsetting, too brief, or something else bad?
05:25:59 PM Jan 30th 2011
YMMV tropes do not belong anywhere outside of YMMV pages, so it's right out.
05:33:00 PM Jan 30th 2011
"YMMV tropes do not belong anywhere outside of YMMV pages, so it's right out." That's not true. They're allowed in character pages.
05:40:58 PM Jan 30th 2011
Also, if that were/is the case, we wouldn't/shouldn't even be having this conversation here- maybe in the discussion page for the YMMV section, but not THIS discussion page. (FYI, I don't know if Spell Blade is right or not)
07:48:27 PM Jan 30th 2011
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^^ Read this. Scroll down to "YMMV (or Subjective Tropes)," it says they're not allowed on character sheets.
02:48:36 PM Dec 24th 2010
What's wrong with putting Character Aligments on the page? They were deleted.
08:23:06 PM Jan 12th 2011
The general consensus from previous discussions I've seen on the subject is that Character Alignments aren't appropriate to list for works that don't explicitly implement the chart. A lot of it ends up falling to judgment calls on the part of a specific troper otherwise. More to the point, the trope pages also have the "Please don't list this on the work's page . . ." banner.
07:10:22 PM Oct 30th 2010
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!!! I tried to edit the page and then somehow the entire thing was deleted!!! I don't know if it was my fault, but if it was, please don't kill me!!!! I'm sorry, I'm sorry...
05:54:50 PM Aug 20th 2010
Now that Blaineley has been confirmed as being in the competition should we move her character entry to the 'New World Tour Contestants' section?
03:50:09 PM Jul 12th 2010
Are there any objections to rewriting the character descriptions? A lot of the information barely comes up in the show itself, and doing so would allow us to add information on what the characters did during the competition. I don't know that I'd ever really get around to doing it, but I thought I'd ask just in case I managed or someone else decided to.
04:39:47 AM Jul 21st 2010
Sounds like a good idea. I also think we should have an 'Other Characters' bit at the bottom for recurring characters that don't fit anywhere else like Blaineley, DJ's Mother and the interns (collectively).
12:13:55 PM Jun 22nd 2010
Should we add Blaineley and Josh from the Celebrity Manhunt special? Blaineley at least has appeared in the TDWT season promo so she'll be back for at least one episode.
01:20:18 AM May 11th 2010
I'm doing a bunch of removals, since a recent set had quite a few Square Peg, Round Trope and I Thought It Meant problems. It's four tropes, and I want to go into some detail about why they aren't cases, so I'm doing this here instead of in the edit reason box. Chris - Acquired Situational Narcissism: He's ALWAYS Narcissistic, but one particular example is to show a slow-motion replay to point out how he looked like he had just got out of bed, all the while Goeff is flying through the air with his pants down in the background.
- The trope is about some rise in status (getting rich, becoming famous, getting in with the popular crowd, etc.) causes a character to become egotistical. The scene isn't an increase in status or a change in Chris's character; it's just a moment that highlights his narcissism.
- The "power" referred to by the trope is physical — generally superpowers, occasionally something more minor. Promotion to team leader is not a case. Even if that weren't the case, she acted like a ditz well before being put in charge; the power didn't cause it.
- Bit of the odd one out here, but this one actually is more or less literal. Being sent to the couch is not symbolic in this case; the trope is actually about sending your partner to sleep on the couch.
- The trope here is about the tendency of characters in fiction to say each other's names as a way to express emotions. My Name Is Not Durwood is more along the lines of what you're thinking. It's currently listed under Lindsay's section, mostly because it's a quirk of her character to get people's names wrong.
08:49:54 AM May 11th 2010
I realized they didn't quite fit entirely but they were the best tropes I could find to fit those situations. I can't find a trope to describe that Chris is a narcissist. That's the only trope with the word in it, and the only one that comes close to describing him. Same with Lindsay letting her self-appointed leadership status going to her head. That's the best trope I can find. If you have one that better suggests how Owen missed out on his chance to score, then please put it in.
04:17:11 PM May 11th 2010
That's a big part of why Square Peg, Round Trope is an issue, though. It's not really a goal to list all events as though they have a relevant trope; the goal is to list tropes that actually do appear in the work. Not everything is a trope, and there's not anything inherently good about an event demonstrating a particular trope. You might try Lost and Found if you can't find a trope that accurately describes a situation (when you think one exists), or You Know That Thing Where if the trope isn't listed but you can think of a few examples (when one doesn't exist, but you think it should). They do sound like they should be listed somewhere or another, but I haven't yet found anything that quite seems to describe them. (I'm not totally sure what sentiment you're going for with the Lindsay bit, also.)
07:49:53 AM May 14th 2010
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Well, Lindsay appointed herself as the new team leader, raided an army surplus store for a high ranking uniform, and started flaunting her "Knowledge and Leadership" over her team while they did all the work and she mostly did nothing. That's gotta count for something.
12:10:47 AM May 15th 2010
What I mean is: How would you describe the hypothetical trope her situation represents. I'm putting her down as a Stupid Boss — is that what you mean, or is it something else?
10:41:34 AM Apr 2nd 2010
Alright, no sense in putting this off any more than we have to. What in the name of Samuel Clemens are we going to do about those new characters? The page as written now is good for season one, but these new challengers are going to require some action.
03:29:17 AM Apr 14th 2010
I posted a bit about them (It will have to be checked by someone who has watched the action aftermath)
09:56:54 PM May 1st 2010
It does look we need to do a major overhaul. The best way I think is to make a new article, like, Total Drama Series and rewrite parts of it to make it fit.
01:36:16 AM May 11th 2010
I agree with Satanic Hamster
07:32:03 AM May 14th 2010
The overhaul I'm envisioning might require dumping the current style and giving it radical use of quoteboxes.
07:14:03 PM May 28th 2010
I don't know what a quotebox is, but I still think that calling the page the Total Drama Series (instead of Total Drama Island) is a good idea
09:16:00 PM May 28th 2010
Here's an example of quote boxes.
06:28:27 PM Jul 8th 2010
Fixed formatting for the two new characters. Also, the bios I've gotten from the Cartoon Network and Teletoon bios.
01:46:36 PM Nov 26th 2010
Has anyone (who knows how to) considered making a Character section for the interns, or maybe just "Billy"?
06:04:24 PM Jan 23rd 2011
There's a section for the interns under the "Other Characters" folder now.