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Karxrida
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12:47:09 PM Aug 5th 2014
Can we please stop adding Lightning Bruiser, Mighty Glacier, Fragile Speedster, etc. to the Mons if the tropes only apply due to Status Buffs? Otherwise literally any Pokemon can apply and it becomes akin to People Sit on Chairs. Or something. You guys probably know what I mean.
SeptimusHeap
12:58:50 PM Aug 5th 2014
It may be a better idea to potholing these tropes under their Status Buffs examples, if the buff gives them the abilities laid out in these tropes - similar storytelling purpose.
Karxrida
01:16:19 PM Aug 5th 2014
That sounds good to me. We also need to cull (am I using that right?) out examples of those tropes when they shouldn't be mixed, like Mighty Glacier and Glass Cannon (the entry to Tropius comes to mind). I can't work on it now, but I'll go through all the pages when I get a chance.
SeptimusHeap
01:33:29 PM Aug 5th 2014
Yeah, these tropes are more like archetypes than one-off buffs. However, noting their relationship to the buffs seems fine.
VeryMelon
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09:08:32 AM Jun 15th 2014
edited by 72.66.98.196
Signature Move has been misused on these pages. I've replaced them with Weapon of Choice since that is the idea behind the original entries.
Karxrida
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08:50:54 PM Jun 14th 2014
edited by 104.34.219.208
Would it be okay to add the base stats of each Pokemon? It would allow for better comparisons when listing the Lightning Bruiser/Mighty Glacier/Stone Wall tropes. We could list them as HP/Attack/Defense/Special Attack/Special Defense/Speed (i.e. for Garchomp its stats are 108/130/95/80/85/102).
PDL
09:17:37 PM Jun 14th 2014
I wouldn't like it at all since TV Tropes isn't supposed to be a game guide.
Karxrida
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04:54:59 PM May 30th 2014
edited by 104.34.219.208
Now that we have a page on the types, does anybody think a page on the recurring groups of Pokemon should be added (Starters, Fossils, Pseudo-Legendaries, Title Legendaries, Event Legendaries, and Mew Clones)?
DrakeClawfang
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02:09:41 PM May 8th 2014
what would people think of putting the Pokemon char pages into folders for each family? Even split these pages get pretty long.
Karxrida
02:28:56 PM May 8th 2014
That sounds reasonable since each page is so large, but we should see what other people think first.
DrakeClawfang
05:54:10 PM May 16th 2014
Added them to the first page so people can see how it'll work on the rest and can give an informed opinion now.
Karxrida
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12:34:38 PM Mar 21st 2014
edited by 76.90.17.49
Now that we have a character page for the types, I think we need to do another clean up removing tropes based off Typing and movepool on the main page, unless there are outliers (ie. the Latis avert Playing with Fire despite being Dragons, Rotom-W is the only Water-Type to avert An Ice Person). Also, too many Pokemon are listed as Lightning Bruisers because of Status Buffs, which also need to be fixed (otherwise everything with a boosting move is a Lightning Bruiser, when their base stats say otherwise).
Karxrida
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03:07:35 PM Feb 2nd 2014
I know that the pages are being cleaned up right now, but why are tropes like Jack of All Stats, Lightning Bruiser, Stone Wall, etc. being removed? These aren't Fandom Reaction Tropes or YMMV, so they should stay in.
SeptimusHeap
03:12:40 PM Feb 2nd 2014
Without specific pages, I guess because they are written like they are audience reactions.
Karxrida
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01:37:59 PM Jan 26th 2014
Could we maybe make a page specifically for the individual types and specific recurring groups of Pokémon (Legendaries, Pseudo-Legendaries, Starters)?
MagBas
02:47:15 PM Jan 26th 2014
About the former, exist many dual types and some type combinations are too rare and other type combinations are too common.
Karxrida
06:21:59 PM Jan 27th 2014
I don't mean for every type combo in existence, I mean each type individually. For example, you could have a entry on Dark types in general, one on Water types, etc.
MagBas
04:02:19 AM Jan 28th 2014
edited by 200.187.116.2
Considering the quantity of dual types, this will create lots of duplicate examples in both.
Rotide
12:07:48 PM Mar 15th 2014
I don't think they were talking about listing the Pokemon of each type, rather listing the character tropes of each type on its own, a la the Magic: The Gathering Colors page.
Karxrida
12:54:31 PM Mar 15th 2014
Exactly. I'm not very good at explaining things, thanks.
Karxrida
12:47:26 AM Mar 16th 2014
So can we get on this, please?
Rotide
06:04:35 PM Mar 16th 2014
I'm on it.
Rotide
06:15:56 PM Mar 16th 2014
Okay I started up the page, but it's going to need some Wiki Magic-with 18 types, there's a lot of tropes.
Karxrida
06:43:25 PM Mar 16th 2014
I'll get on it as soon as I get home.
JTroper
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11:21:01 AM Sep 13th 2013
Alright, this is something that has to deal with Gen 1 and Gen V. I don't think they should be divided into separate categories by pages. I think they should be divided by folders on a page. would this be a better idea then what we've got?
PDL
03:06:14 PM Oct 9th 2013
Both Gen I and Gen V have so many mons each (and it keeps growing when a new generation adds new members to the families), that putting them all on a single page each would make the page too big. If a page gets large enough, folders won't work any longer and the page looks like a mess. Its also impractical to use folders in these pages because that would only cause arguments over how the monsters should be grouped.
Dvandemon
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11:15:16 PM Jul 26th 2013
In regard to the Dark type certain Pokémon seem to split the line between it's Casting a Shadow and Combat Pragmatist qualities. For the sake of brevity and clarity couldn't we just put them down where they apply? I'm asking because I see Scrafty listed as Casting a Shadow when hardly any Dark type moves involve using actual darkness and Scrafty heavily leans to the Combat Pragmatist side with it's Fighting type duality.
ctempire
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09:38:42 AM May 14th 2013
I don't see a reason why there is a spoiler notice for the Pokémon list of Generation VI. The game isn't released yet, and there seems to be no story detail revealed yet.
PDL
03:31:12 PM May 14th 2013
Some people may want to play the game blind and not want to know what kind of Pokémon they'll encounter.
Anomalocaris20
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11:55:40 AM Sep 14th 2012
edited by Anomalocaris20
I think it may be best to reorganize the (human) character pages here. Currently, there's a lot of separations and redundancies due to the characters being sorted by game even if they appear in more than one game or have ties to characters in other games, especially for the Kanto Gym Leaders and most of the characters in Black 2 and White 2 who return from the first set. I think it may be best to instead sort the character pages by things like Protagonists, Gym Leaders, Elite 4, Champions, Villain Teams, Professors & Other NPC's, ect. This would be much more efficient than the current system.

Characters who "change jobs" between games, such as Koga being promoted from Gym Leader to Elite 4, will be sorted by their most recent prominent role, so Koga would appear on the Elite 4 page, Lance and Wallace would appear on the Champions page, ect. In light of recent (At the time of writing) Black 2 and White 2 spoilers, I will take necessary measures, such as leaving a character on two separate pages or spoiler-marking certain tropes until the spoilers are no longer considered spoilers, ect.

This wouldn't be an unprecedented reorganization; the Ace Attorney series sorts its character pages by categories such as Defense Attorneys, Prosecutors, Victims, ect. rather than by the games they appear in.

If this is agreed to be a viable move, I'd be more than glad to handle the copypaste moving and merges on my own (Though I will need help with things such as properly indexing and creating the pages themselves).
rmctagg09
12:20:53 PM Sep 14th 2012
Well, the Elder Scrolls page has a character page for characters that appear in more than one game, so perhaps we could do that with the Pokemon character pages.
Adannor
12:25:21 PM Sep 14th 2012
edited by Adannor
Yes, it sounds good.

Creating a new page: input the address of it into the bar, that'll get you to the empty page, then you just click edit and go on. For example go to, say, Characters.Pokemon Gym Leaders or Characters.Pokemon Protagonists and edit.

Indexing: find an index page, edit and just plug it into the list. Just like Pokemon pages already on Characters.Video Games and Characters.Anime.

Don't forget to put the fact of moving into the edit reason and cutlist the old pages when you're all done.
BadWolf21
12:31:38 PM Sep 14th 2012
The problem with simply with having a page for characters who appear in more than one game is that it would include nearly everyone, because of the World Tournament. Even discounting that, it would cause random omissions on pages people would expect to see certain characters. If you wanted to add a trope about Jasmine, you might look for her in the G/S/C/HG/SS page, not knowing that she was in D/P/Pt, and not be able to find her.

I like Anom's idea, personally. It's a very intuitive system, and will make navigating the pages easier.
Anomalocaris20
12:34:33 PM Sep 14th 2012
edited by Anomalocaris20
Okay, now I just need to know what categories to sort them into. I mentioned it in the Pokemon in General thread on the forums.
Roguemind
01:20:01 PM Nov 24th 2012
edited by Roguemind
The character pages are now a massive confusing jumble where you can never find anything compared to the various games.

If I want to look up character things on Black and White, I don't want to sort through the first four generations just to find it. Having five or six different pages out for one game isn't very useful.
Karxrida
03:05:44 PM Feb 2nd 2014
edited by 76.90.17.49
EDIT: Ignore.
Karxrida
12:46:30 PM Aug 5th 2014
edited by 104.34.219.208
EDIT: Ignore.
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