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khadgar567
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04:09:06 AM Mar 5th 2014
edited by 78.171.166.11
can any one update itachi's chessmaster trope because he has same success as Aeolia Schenberg from gundam 00 Aeolia Schenberg's plan completed after his dead and itachi 's plans success when he is dead
BlackReaper
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02:25:12 PM Sep 3rd 2013
About expies, I've been hearing a lot of people were comparing Pein/Nagato with Light Yagami, Zechs Merquise/Milliardo Peacecraft, Schneizel, Char Aznable and Lelouch. Do you mind I put that? I just feel like it'd be interesting if it was there. As for Tobi/Obito, mostly Char Aznable as well. See my Obito and Char comparison: http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=867186 Some of them will be updated so don't worry

Nithael
12:57:31 AM Sep 4th 2013
Those aren't expies, just characters who share 'some' similarities. And all Pain has in common with Light, Schneizel and Lelouch (I don't know about the others) is that they're Well Intentioned Extremists / Knights Templar. Besides that they all have different personalities, appearance, backstory, motives, abilities and roles in the story. They're not expies.
kresnik
12:51:08 PM Jun 25th 2014
edited by 71.104.209.130
Include Zechs Merquise, Treize Krushrenda, and Shinobu Sensui (Whom he has mostly in common with) as well.
kresnik
12:51:10 PM Jun 25th 2014
Include Zechs Merquise, Treize Krushrenda, and Shinobi Sensui (Whom he has mostly in common with) as well.
NeoChaos
topic
08:30:09 PM Feb 6th 2013
Any problems with adding an image of unmasked Tobi under his profile?
lu127
moderator
topic
10:02:09 AM Nov 26th 2012
There's an Edit War over these:

  • Villain Forgot to Level Grind: Deidara, Sasori and Kakuzu. When they were alive were S-ranked ninjas, but when they were revived, they were easily defeated by Jonins and Chunins.

    • Badass Decay: Deidara, Sasori and Kakuzu. When they were alive were S-ranked ninjas, but when they were revived, they were easily defeated by Jonins and Chunins.

Settle it here without going back and forth.
theweirdKiddokun
10:15:31 AM Nov 26th 2012
Badass Decay. You can't level up if you are dead.
cclosina
11:32:09 AM Nov 26th 2012
edited by cclosina
Badass Decay / Villain Decay: Edos versions are much weaker than their original versions.

Shlugo_the_great
11:55:12 AM Nov 26th 2012
Badass Decay: It's nowhere mentioned that they've been summoned weaker or that everyone leveled much in the meantime, but there's no questioning that they somehow became much less effective.
Eagal
03:43:43 PM Nov 26th 2012
edited by Eagal
Near as I can tell, Badass Decay has nothing to do with a villain's threat, but more with how he's treated and his general character.

Nor does Villain Forgot to Level Grind specify that the villain has to be alive.

Villain Decay is quote when villains go from "real threat" to "real joke", and when it happens over time after multiple appearances. Deidara wasn't treated as a joke, he just didn't win. It was his third major appearance and comparing to those three appearances he did not become noticeably more ridiculous. If anything he became noticeably more of a threat. Infinite regen + nuke scale Action Bomb. Crazy stuff.

The premise that the people who beat Deidara are weaker than Gaara is a completely meaningless distinction. Whether or not they are weaker than Gaara they still won, and it wasn't treated as a humorous event. They level grinded and Deidara did not. Almost as if he, a villain, forgot to level grind. [lol]

Similarly, the Edos weren't much weaker than the originals, they were just as powerful as when they were alive. Key word, just as powerful. But the heroes aren't. They got stronger, so previously fearsome villains are no longer as significant a threat as they were previously.

The article for Villain Forgot to Level Grind describes the situation exactly. There is no way it is anything but.
cclosina
10:26:38 AM Jun 1st 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
Nope, When Deidara was live was able to give to Gaara and Sasuke a good fight. When he resurrected was defeated by Sai and Kankuro that are much weaker.

Even with grinding kankuro and Sai are still much weaker than Gaara.

Alive Deidara = Gaara >> Kankuro and Sai > Edo Deidara
Eagal
11:04:14 AM Jun 1st 2013
He gave them good fights because he was in an advantageous position and had extensively prepared for fighting them or someone like them.

Kankuro et al being weaker than Gaara is meaningless. They still won and it wasn't treated as a joke. It was simply a matter of being strong enough and being able to exploit Deidara's weaknesses.

Just because they weren't overwhelmingly more powerful doesn't mean their advancement didn't play a part in their victory, as did Deidara's lack of advancement.

At best, the case could be made that Sasori's lack of puppets made him less of a threat because he was deprived of his weapons, but that's still neither Badass nor Villain Decay.
Eagal
topic
09:30:04 AM Sep 28th 2012
edited by Eagal
Pulled Good Is Not Nice, Big Good and Good All Along from Itachi's list. His goals may have been good, but that doesn't mean Itachi wasn't evil.

Also, Driving Question, which is a central plot point, not a question of what Ass Pull technique he used to escape an inescapable trap.

P.S. What's the story on the color coding? It's really annoying...
Rondomi
02:29:19 PM Sep 28th 2012
I was asked to do so for the consistency with the Straw Hat Pirates. They are color coded based on ring colors.
Rondomi
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04:29:51 PM Jul 19th 2012
When Tobi's true identity comes out, what will we do? Will we combine character pages with whoever he really is? Like, let's say he's *flame shield* Obito. Will Obito be removed from Other Leaf Village Members? If that's the case, someone not caught up will notice he's no longer there and deduce his identity. We have to prepare for this to prevent massive editing (I'm a hypocrite, I know). So, I would like to say that when Tobi's true identity comes out, leave the character page of whoever it happens to be unchanged, and then add the post-revelation tropes to Tobi's (spoiler-tagged, of course).

If one were to go to Obito's character page and see tons and tons of spoiler-tagged text, revelation will be obvious.
Rondomi
03:20:50 PM Aug 29th 2012
edited by Rondomi
Thank you so much!
Toxin45
topic
08:47:09 PM Jul 3rd 2012
Five Bad Brad ?

Well Akatsuki is a bit mixed
Nithael
01:31:16 AM Jul 13th 2012
Which means they're not an example. As surprising as it may sound, a group of ten people doesn't fit a trope which is about groups of five people.
Toxin45
06:33:00 AM Jul 15th 2012
What about the Black Beard pirates there a 10 man group
Telcontar
moderator
06:56:20 AM Jul 15th 2012
Do you mean that there is a page that lists Black Beard pirates as a five-bad band? If so, they should be removed as it's misuse.
Toxin45
09:34:28 AM Jul 15th 2012
a yeah on on piece the the five bad band
Telcontar
moderator
10:21:07 AM Jul 15th 2012
Thanks for pointing it out; I've removed a few of the "examples" from that section which were extreme misuse. I haven't the time to do more, and it'd probably warrent a thread somewhere to define how flexible the trope is and clean things up.
Syrus
topic
07:34:31 PM Jun 28th 2012
What if Tobi is an imprinted Zetsu clone of the original Madara? It would explain how he could summon Kyuubi, but couldn't use any of his stronger moves. It explains why his arm had white goop seeping from it after being ripped off. Also, his "split" personality.
ccoa
topic
10:05:39 AM Jun 13th 2012
Pulled:

Immortality was split into subtropes. Types are no longer acceptable to use. Type II became Age Without Youth, however, it was frequently misused for Type VI, which became The Ageless. there is not enough context here to tell which was meant.

Please read Zero-Context Example and return this example to the page with the correct subtrope and enough context to be a good example.

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