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TheNinth DataAngel Since: Nov, 2009
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Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:14:32 AM •••

Is the rule about not putting the trope name inside a spoiler tag still standing? There are a lot of them on the character page.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Apr 2nd 2015 at 8:07:01 AM •••

Yes. Despoiler them, plz.

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isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011
Lord of the Blue Star
Jan 17th 2014 at 7:49:44 AM •••

Is there a reason Katheryn Drummond was deleted?

DataAngel Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 16th 2013 at 7:06:04 AM •••

Is there really any reason for Moriarty to be completely in Spoiler tags? The character isn't exactly a secret.

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caughtbluehanded Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 19th 2013 at 6:18:25 AM •••

Are you referring to the repeated uses of "M[spoilered out]"?

DataAngel Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 19th 2013 at 6:47:31 AM •••

I mean the fact that the entire section on Moriarty is in spoiler tags.

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caughtbluehanded Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 19th 2013 at 10:21:51 AM •••

I see. I think it has to do with the reveal in the episode "M" that Vinnie Jones' character isn't Moriarty, but Moran.

I've just spent a couple minutes going over the Handling Spoilers page, but I'm still not sure what to do when it comes to character pages. Additionally I'm not sure about the statue of limitations here—"M" aired only a few months ago, so it doesn't seem right just to unmark all the spoilers.

Should we just remove that whole section until Moriarty actually appears on the show?

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DataAngel Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 19th 2013 at 10:39:00 AM •••

I'd think so. Considering there's no information on Moriarty... there's nothing to list. He's just an unseen big-bad at this point. And may not even be a man at all.

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caughtbluehanded Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:16:11 AM •••

Okay. I'm gonna just go for it and put "Moriarty has not yet appeared on the show" as my edit reason.

caughtbluehanded Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 24th 2013 at 1:23:23 PM •••

Aaaaand as of late last night, that whole section is back again, with the following edit rationale from troper Billy Dee Williams: "Just because he hasn't appeared doesn't mean he's not a character. Moriarty didn't appear in the first two episodes of Sherlock, but he was definitely a character, because he was shown to be behind the events of those episodes. And all of those tropes apply, and yes, his very existence is a spoiler. The purpose of a character page is to catalog characters, no matter how spoileriffic."

I...guess I see his point? It's only a matter of time before Moriarty does appear, after all.

DataAngel Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 25th 2013 at 6:14:08 AM •••

Thing is... Moriarty isn't exactly a spoiler. He's been mentioned in-show. Anyone even passingly familiar with Holmes canon knows about him. His appearance isn't a secret. What he's capable of isn't a secret. I don't think we can have tropes for someone who hasn't even been seen yet. It's like trying to trope something that doesn't exist.

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caughtbluehanded Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 25th 2013 at 2:54:57 PM •••

I agree with you for the most part, but having Moriarty on the page at all spoils the fact that the "M" in the episode "M" is not Moriarty, since he's listed just below "M[oran]" on the page. (Again, what's the statute of limitations?)

I don't know. I think also perhaps the key words are "passingly familiar with Holmes canon," words which describe fewer people than you'd think.

I am still inclined to wait until the character actually appears on the show.

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