11:01:41 PM Mar 9th 2014
We have a problem. The "Antagonists" page has over 400,000 characters and needs to be split. But how should we split it?
08:52:47 PM Dec 13th 2013
It occurs to me there are a lot of one episode characters that don't fall under "Antagonist" "Ally" or "Batfamily—like Sid the Squid. Does this warrant another category, or just a renaming of an existing one, considering neutral characters are being put in the "Ally" space already?
10:59:51 AM Dec 29th 2013
Moving Sid's profile here. He is not an antagonist. An antagonist is someone who impedes the progress of the protagonist, or runs counter to them. The only thing Sid does to Batman is accidentally drop him off a roof, and from there tends to either wander around the criminal scene or get shoved around by actual antagonists. Furthermore he is the protagonist of his episode. He is not an ally, and he is not a member of the Batfamily. Should there be a page rename, or another category made?Ferris Boyle is another character that does not fit either of the categories, as, while a terrible person, he is a character being acted upon in the episode, an thus not an antagonist. Also not an ally or Batfamily member.
Sidney "Sid The Squid" Debris
- Voiced by: Matt Frewer
- Anti-Villain: He is a criminal, but he's not evil.
- Apologises a Lot: “Sorry” is practically his catch phrase: He apologizes when he ruins Thorne’s couch, when he trips over Batman, when he explains what happened at the roof, but the most extreme example may be when Joker placed him in a Death Trap for ruining Joker’s right to kill Batman.
Will it help if I say I’m sorry? I’m really really really really really really sorry!
- Badass on Paper: Current Trope Illustrator for that page!
- Bumbling Sidekick: Eddie G. set him up as bait for Batman. Sid managed to ruin that plan.
- Deconstruction: Sidney deconstructs the Mooks showing what kind of person would assume the daily risk of working for the Joker or Thorne, or confronting Batman as part of his job:
Like a hungry predator, Sid the squids stretches his tentacles throught the Gotham’s underworld. Yeah, good! I’m on my way, Nothing gonna stop me now.
- Evil Minion: Subverted, Sid is useless at battle, so he could be this trope, but he is also useless in anything else he tries. He is just not useful enough to be a minion.
- From Nobody to Nightmare: His true dream is to be a Big Shot at Gotham’s underworld. This is the kind of perverted dream all those Mooks share to justify their voluntering to the Mook Horror Show. And the worst part is that Sid get his wish in the only place he could be a winner: At Blackgate prison, surrounded by StrawLosers. Achieving his dream destroys Sid's life.
Please, Mister Thorne, you’re rich and powerful, I’ll do anything you say if you could get me out of Gotham.
- Happiness in Slavery: Sid knows he is a Straw Loser, and so his only way of life is being a Sycophantic Servant:
- I Just Want to Be Special: Sid’s only motivation, he wants to be special… somehow… that doesn’t involve him doing anything. Deconstructed because he specifically wants to be From Nobody to Nightmare.
- Man Child: When the Mooks gave him a chance to be the Look Out of a drug shipment, Sid behaves as a Surveillance Station Slacker more interested in making Impossible Shadow Puppets.
- Minion with an F in Evil: Sid was appointed as the Look Out of the drug shipment (but he really is The Bait). He behaved like a Surveillance Station Slacker.
- No Social Skills: Justified, Sid is a Man Child Straw Loser with a Friendless Background that makes him a Horrible Judge of Character. His only way to interact with others is put up with the abuse.
- Straw Loser: Sid has no talent for anything evil (or anything good either), not any proactivity, he is not good nor evil… to work for Thorne or the Joker is really the only thing left to him.
- Trapped in Villainy: As a Straw Loser, being one of the Mooks is the only way of life left for Sid, he will not suceed in any honest trade.
- Extreme Doormat: He lacks drive, ambition or even opinions. Things happens to him and he barely reacts. The only time he protests his fate is when Joker put him in a Death Trap.
- Friendless Background: Nobody likes him. The Mooks thinks he’s useless, Eddie G. set him up as bait, his mother doesn’t talk to him anymore.
- Horrible Judge of Character: He sincerely thinks Eddie G. is a true friend, and he asks for help from Rupert Thorne.
- Invincible Incompetent: Sid seems to be The Fool, but at the end of the story we discover that he was not being completely lucky, and given he ends in jail, Sid certainly has not Karmic Protection.
- Phrase Catcher: After the explosion at the costumes house, everyone salutes him as “The man who killed Batman”.
- Red Baron: “The man who killed Batman”.
- Seemingly Profound Fool: He has no personality of his own, so everyone else sees him as they want him to be: Thorne’s Mooks see him as an evil Idiot Hero even when he claims it was an Accidental Murder. The Gang Bangers defy him to fight even when it’s obvious he is hopeless. Joker is so upset by being stolen the chance to kill Batman that he claims Sid had Beginner's Luck, and Thorne, who has informants who rightly told him Sid is a Bumbling Sidekick, suspects Sid of trying to pull a Scheherezade Gambit on him using Obfuscating Stupidity.
- Surveillance Station Slacker: When the Mooks gave him a chance to be the Look Out of a drug shipment, Sid is much more interested in making Impossible Shadow Puppets.