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gikerot
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02:00:08 AM Apr 18th 2014
edited by 75.23.224.114
This is just one opinion, but the current images are kind of small and cramped and the backgrounds are cute but kind of too busy. Most, if not all, characters have new art (including chibi versions), and it would be nice to update the character pages to reflect Himaruya's considerable art evolution. Don't know if this would count as major rehaul or anything, but I'll store the replaced images somewhere just in case this is an unpopular move.
gikerot
02:17:10 AM Apr 18th 2014
edited by 75.23.224.114
Also, should the pictures be oriented to the right or left? Right seems to standard for most pages on this wiki, but the images aren't that obtrusive when they are on the left and it would be more familiar to long-time visitors...

  • EDIT: Done! Right-oriented, though feel free to change that. Added an image for Bulgaria. Cyprus seems to be undergoing redesign so I left them alone.
    • I was wondering how consistent the designs have to be. For example, Moldova's image was already uploaded before; it is from Hetaween 2013, although he has images of his official design also available. Seeing this, would it be alright to forgo consistency in design for consistency in quality when new art of the usual uniforms can't be found? I did this with Francis because the FIFA uniform isn't too out there, but some pages (including China on the same page) might benefit if we could use alternate costumes, even if they are a lot more colorful (e.g. from Art Stella, Hetaweens). Not sure which element would give better coherence.
    • The new images are not consistent in dimensions. When I have free time, I'll go and fix them up unless someone else wants to.
    • Also added to the top of every page a link back to the character index, for convenience!
    • Should we add character descriptions in the space below the quote and leading into the individual tropes? I'm not exactly sure what they would say and it would kind of be a big project, but the option is there.
MaiaMaiden
11:05:19 AM May 10th 2014
Thanks for changing the character pictures, it looks much better this way!

Writing descriptions for characters is not only a big project (I can participate if we do it), but also troubled because there's so much room for interpretation about the characters. We'd better keep it very short and general. Mention their family relations and important alliances, perhaps the central events in their history. Describing their personality and such can be left to the tropes.
MaiaMaiden
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01:35:44 PM Nov 13th 2013
edited by 86.50.90.67
Ok. So now we potentially have Portugal. Where we put him?

I support radical re-organization of the whole character sheets. Rather than grouping them into families we should group them by their geopolitical place. I feel that would make the grouping less awkward and forced on certain cases (Monaco, Tonga, Cameroon, now Portugal), and would fit the nature of the series and its cast, also giving more credit to all the different continents and countries there are. May categories would still remain very similar.

If people are unwilling to let go of the Axis Power Trio and the Allied Five Man Band, then let those remain in their handy groups, and let's just re-organize the others.

A suggestion:

- The Axis trio

- The five main Allies

- Central Europe

- Western Europe

- Southern Europe

- Eastern Europe

- Northern Europe

- The Americas

- Eastern Asia

- Southern/South-Eastern Asia

- Near East

- Oceania

- Africa

- The Ancients

- The others subpages for non-nation characters

What people think? I'd like to hear at least some support before I do anything...
Luma
09:36:29 PM Nov 13th 2013
I do think that would probably be a better way of organizing some characters. We also potentially have an Ecuador now, so a Latin America category may be a necessity if that's the case.

Himaruya had posted some mysterious nation designs in the past that he's yet to assign identities to. Then there's also his hint of potentially designing Albania soon, which means that the categories for even just Europe would have to go through some re-organization and expansion. I wish you much luck with that, series with a ton of characters are fun but frustrating to organize trope sheets for.
MaiaMaiden
03:37:28 PM Nov 18th 2013
The proposition has met support on the forum and now here, so unless anyone disagrees I'll get on to it later when I have time.
MaiaMaiden
11:20:29 AM Jan 13th 2014
Okay. Two months, nobody has protested, and I've got the time. Here we go. *fingers crossed*
MaiaMaiden
01:04:34 PM Jan 13th 2014
edited by 87.95.154.217
Half time report!

I've now created the new character pages, but I haven't indexed them yet. I've also created two options for the Asian countries for people to choose from, if they care. So here:

Central Europe (HRE, Hungary, Austria, Prussia, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Hesse, Saxony, Bavaria)

Western Europe (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg)

Southern Europe (Spain, South Italy, Monaco, Portugal)

Southeast Europe (Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Croatia)

Eastern Europe (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine)

Northern Europe (Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland)

Asia (Korea, Taiwain, Hong Kong, Vietnam, Thailand, Mongolia, Tibet, Macau, India)

East Asia (Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, Mongolia, Tibet)

South And Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Thailand, India)

The Americas (Canada, Cuba, Ecuador)

Africa (Seychelles, Cameroon, Egypt)

Oceania (Australia, New Zealand, Tonga)

So notice, there's both option A) all Asian countries (sans Turkey) in one sub-category, or B) East Asians in their own category, and India and the Indichinese countries in their own. This happened because of troubles with categorizing India: he's not East Asian, but there's really no one to group him with but the Indochinese, who traditionally have been grouped with the East Asians.

Other issues:

- I've noticed there's something of a minor edit war going on about Romania and Moldova's placement. Please, please, please talk it through here. I've now placed them to Southeast Europe, where Wikipedia and most other sources put them.

- Central Europe and Eastern Europe are very shady terms, and there's many contradicting definitions for them. Strictly speaking only Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are certainly East European, but that wouldn't be practical for our purposes. Poland is usually counted as Central European, and the Baltic countries and Croatia are sometimes counted such as well. I've used the Hetalia tradition and mere despotism here in placing them.

- I'd like to rename Justice Destiny Strike Freedom as the Allies, to suit better the new system. Is that okay?

- Portugal and Ecuador now have folders for them, but for the time being there's no tropes listed.

Fine. I'll wait for a while if anyone has anything to say, and if they don't, I'll index these new character pages, replacing the old ones. In the mean time I'll hunt tropes for Portugal and Ecuador.
Pszczola
05:07:49 PM Jan 13th 2014
Sorry for the late reply; I don't always remember to check the discussion pages, and I don't hang out on the forums, so I wasn't aware that this was going on. I'm glad that these pages are getting rearranged, though, as what we have at the moment doesn't really work any more.

I'd prefer option B in terms of the Asian nations, personally. At the very least, it may save us some trouble in the future if Himaruya adds more Asian characters and it becomes too unwieldy to have them all on one page.

In terms of Central vs Eastern Europe... As you pointed out, one source says one thing and the next source you read contradicts it. I'm fine with the groups you've sorted them into here.

Renaming Justice Destiny Strike Freedom makes a lot of sense, so count me in favor of that.

If Hesse, Saxony, and Bavaria are going to be moved to the Central Europe page, should Picardy be moved to Western Europe? He's currently listed on the "Those Who Do Not Seem To Fit Anywhere" page. Or would it be better to make a page solely for the characters who represent regions/provinces/states?

MaiaMaiden
02:20:48 AM Jan 14th 2014
edited by 87.95.53.233
That's a good question about the regions. We could theoretically place Hesse, Saxony, Bavaria and Picardy in it, with the potential future regions. Prussia and South Italy are technically regions these days, but my heart would break a bit if we junked them like that... Or should we? How logical we want to be?

Oh, and what is the consensus in the fandom about the alleged character designs for Portugal and Luxembourg that we got during the last Hetaween? Are those canon, and are they really who we think they are?
Pszczola
04:57:32 PM Jan 14th 2014
Well, Prussia and Romano have had a lot more screen time and influence on the series. Plus, we've seen them at times when they've been independent nations, while the others have always been portrayed as the representatives of part of a nation. Well, the German states were sort of independent while still being loosely under the control of the Holy Roman Empire...

Basically, this series isn't going to make it easy for us to sort the characters no matter what we do.

I like the idea of putting Bavaria, Saxony, Hesse, and Picardy on their own page since they're minor characters, but leave Prussia and Romano where they are. As with the Asian characters, it seems like it might be a good idea to have a separate page for the regions in case Himaruya decides to create characters for more of them (several have been mentioned, like Brandenburg, Bayern, Quebec, Fujian, and Sichuan, so it's possible) and I rather doubt that any of the regions will become major characters at this point, whereas Romano and Prussia have already have stories focused on them and are very popular characters.

As to the possible designs of Portugal and Luxembourg... from what I've seen, fans are already treating the images Himaruya posted as though they are canon, but we're not 100% positive yet.

This is also true about Croatia, by the way. Himaruya never outright stated that the character who appeared was him. http://hetalia.livejournal.com/11829261.html?thread=226219789 As spaceinvaderdude pointed out here, we're pretty sure that it's him, but Himaruya has yet to confirm it.

And there's also the character who appeared in Birz episode 16 with Seychelles. We know she's an African nation, but Himaruya never told us which country. It doesn't feel right to leave her out... we have an entry for Fem!Sweden (who has never even appeared in the series) after all, but since we don't know which country she represents...

Then again, we have entries for a lot of Nyotalia characters who are not confirmed to be canon either. There are several (like Fem!Denmark) that might just be work-in-progress sketches. I've often wondered why they even have entries since A) They may not be canon designs, and B) They've never appeared in the series.

For right now, I think it's safe to add entries for Luxembourg and Portugal, since they've at least made brief appearances in the series. I would just hold off on including images until Himaruya tells us whether or not those sketches are meant to be them, though.
MaiaMaiden
09:11:17 PM Jan 15th 2014
edited by 188.67.129.133
Regions is now created, and Central Europe is edited accordingly. I'm in favor of treating Croatia, Portugal and Luxembourg as if they were canon. It's partially intuitive, but I really got the impression Kishi meant them to be them, and finished designs, not just doodled ideas. It's the timing: would he have teased us with mere concepts at such moment, and while posting them he promised us more characters (Croatia and Albania were mentioned)?

Anyway, HERE'S a suggestion for the new character sheet main page. It makes a distinction between the anthropomorphic cast and other kind of characters. For clarity's sake, and so forth. (Yeah, I made it of the Asia page which - now it seems - will remain unused. The content can be copied as it is to the current Characters.Axis Powers Hetalia page.)
Pszczola
10:34:55 AM Jan 18th 2014
Well, Himaruya does like to be a tease at times, but I agree that there's a very good chance that the Portugal and Luxembourg designs are canon, and that the guy who got into the EU ahead of Turkey is Croatia. So I'm fine with listing them as such. ^_^

The new character sheet looks good to me; it's much cleaner and easier to navigate than the old one. My only nit-pick is the "Things" title which sounds rather harsh. I think something like "Miscellaneous" or "Non-human Characters" would look better.
MaiaMaiden
04:06:06 AM Jan 20th 2014
Changed Things to Miscellaneous, and at the same time also Modern Classics into Ancient Nations to suit better the rest of the titles.

So... is this plan okay?
Pszczola
09:17:07 AM Jan 20th 2014
Looks good to me!
MaiaMaiden
01:24:27 PM Jan 26th 2014
"It's done. It's over."

The new sheet is here, then. I'm left waiting for complaints. In the meantime, what should we do of the old sheet? Pages like Neither Holy Nor Roman Nor An Empire and True Neutral still exist. Should we erase their content?
Pszczola
04:58:06 PM Jan 27th 2014
I think they're supposed to get submitted to the Cut List, but I'm not 100% sure. I do know that blanking a page for any reason can get you banned from the site, though. If all else fails, someone can bring it up at Ask The Tropers.
Vashiane
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06:31:24 PM Sep 2nd 2012
Now, Arla Gray said that because we don't have a lot of information with the 2P characters, as they're just sketches and fandom right now so making an entire page would be ridiculous, but only the gender flip versions seem to have anything regarding 2P. Is there a way we can compile some information about 2P for the male characters so that way the male characters have that information listed as well?
Stoogebie
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11:08:05 AM Jun 11th 2012
I'm not very keen on the 2p designs, but from what I know, they're both alternate color designs of the originals and (possibly) the Evil Counterparts to the original nations. Could a page be made for them? I don't care either way, really, but just wondering...
ArlaGrey
03:01:06 PM Jun 11th 2012
I like the 2P designs, but I think we might be getting a bit silly if we make a page for them, when all we have right now are the original pictures and a couple of extra sketches, with no indication Himaruya's ever going to do anything else with them. I think we should keep it as it is for now, just putting the tropes for them on the page with the normal designs, and if Himaruya goes back to them and does more pictures or strips, then maybe we could consider giving them their own section. But not right now.
MaiaMaiden
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07:02:54 AM Mar 24th 2012
Wait what, since when has there been both The Spanish Empire and The Empire Upon Which The Sun Sets In A Few Hours? Oh well, someone else can sort it out. I'd probably just manage to make them both dissappear.
MaiaMaiden
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10:33:10 AM Feb 13th 2012
Okay, why is Monaco back in the HRE section? I'm just asking what's the logic in placing here there. She has nothing to do with those characters at all.
MaiaMaiden
10:42:33 AM Feb 13th 2012
As a second thought: could we add her into the Spanish Empire section? After all, her roots are in Italy and for the longest of time she was under Spain's protection. (She was a protectorate of the kingdom of Sardinia, which was located on Italian lands under Spain's rule.)

As I don't want to start an edit war, I'll leave this idea here for two days and if nobody answers with dissagreement, I'll move her into the Spanish Empire.
SuiCaedere
03:05:48 PM Feb 17th 2012
I can't think of a reason to object this and, regardless of how much I respect him, Himaruya is an incredible procrastinator so the "Latin American project" he promise might as well be out in two years from now, so that section is pretty useless right now with only Cuba (because we can't put him anywhere else).
MaiaMaiden
07:31:36 AM Feb 18th 2012
Okay, with this mandate... Oh, and Cuba too is included in the Spanish Empire rigth now. Hopefully we'll some day have some Latinos to add there.

After this much meddling with the folders, I'll leave to you guys to decide wether to let the Benelux have their own folder or if they should join Spain and Romano.
SuiCaedere
05:45:25 PM Feb 19th 2012
edited by SuiCaedere
Now here is my only current problem: Neither Bulgaria, Romania or Moldova are Mediterranean countries (Croatia, on the other hand, is), what are they doing in the Istanbul not Constantinople sheet!? It doesn't make any sense. (BTW, interestingly enough Monaco is a Mediterranean country, so the other option was moving her there, but is not really important now).
MaiaMaiden
09:38:02 AM Feb 20th 2012
edited by MaiaMaiden
Oh, that. I've understood the "Istanbul Not Constantinople" is a sheet for countries that used to be under the rule or strong influence of the Ottoman Empire (hence the name). This means the South-Eastern Europe (Balkans region), the Near East and the eastern North Africa. Romania and Moldova have been added to this sheet because of their history dominated by their struggle for independence from the Ottomans (and Hungary and Austria). Notice that Bulgaria isn't Mediterranean either, and yet he undoubtly belongs to this sheet.

The western Mediterranen (including Monaco) is a world of it's own, as the kingdom of Spain and the Ottoman Empire used to be rivals, fighting for the control of the Mediterranean Sea.

But yeah, I understand the pain of deciding whether to divide the countries by their geographical location (which would be easier) or by their historic connections (which is more relevant for their "relationships" in Hetalia.) If it was up to me, we'd re-organaize this whole mess into nice little sheets "Western Europe", "Central Europe", "Eastern Europe", "Eastern Asia", "Southern Asia", "Oceania", "The Americas" etc etc.

So if you want to succest we collect all the Mediterraneans into one sheet, I'm all ready for it.

MaiaMaiden
09:40:41 AM Feb 20th 2012
edited by MaiaMaiden
Another second thought: could we really do it? Re-organize them by cold, hard geography? (I don't ecpect this to be a popular idea.)
SuiCaedere
07:44:02 PM Feb 21st 2012
Well, in some level I think that Asia is a big mess as well. The think is we should think how to fix the Istanbul not Constantinople sheet for now at least because, no mater what we decide to do, we can't predict what Hima will do! I'm still thinking what the hell we're going to try if he decides to introduce a bunch of new African nations. Or Antarctica! He's unpredictable.
MaiaMaiden
11:06:14 AM Feb 22nd 2012
edited by MaiaMaiden
What do you want to do about it? I've thought it fills its function of collecting together characters who interact a lot in the canon, who are historically connected and who otherwise wouldn't have any logical place to be put into (Bulgaria for example.) But people have went along with my messing with the sections, so I'll go with you here. What kind of sections you think would work better?

As for the new nations, I'd worry about it when they come. We can never tell what Hima-papa is about to design the next, and judging from his latest projects they're just as likely to be something like the mochis, cats and nyotalia girls as actual countries we're waiting for... If he does introduce more Africans, we can simply create a new "Africa" section and take Cameroon out of the British empire (where he really is out of place anyway) along with Seychelles.
SuiCaedere
05:40:14 PM Feb 24th 2012
I will be glad to help, but somehow I feel my precarious English would fell short for such task. Should we take this to the forums?
MaiaMaiden
01:19:52 PM Feb 26th 2012
Okay, to the forums. And don't worry about your English, I'm not a native speaker either.
SuiCaedere
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10:55:22 AM Jul 8th 2011
edited by SuiCaedere
Hi, I re-upload the nyotalya pictures with the new cards version of Prussia and Canada.
ArlaGrey
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01:16:16 PM Jul 1st 2011
Which page is Romania going on? I came here earlier and someone had put him on the Eastern Europe page, and knowing what I do of history, I thought that sounded right, so sorted that out properly. Now he's been put under Istanbul Not Constantinople as well. I don't want to delete either, because I don't know enough history to know which is more appropriate... Anyone better qualified to decide?
ArlaGrey
11:59:00 AM Jul 2nd 2011
Oh, apparently he's going in Eastern Europe.
MaiaMaiden
02:49:47 AM Feb 12th 2012
Moved Romania and Moldova into Istanbul Not Constantinopol, as they're historically and culturally more orientated towards the Balkans and the Ottomans than Russia. Romania has long history of fighting against the invading Turks (and Hungarians), while as far as I know Russia is a much later influence, mostly a Cold War era thing.
Vashiane
04:40:59 AM Sep 4th 2012
Last I checked, Romania's been moved back to the Eastern Europe page.
Stoogebie
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07:35:33 AM Jun 2nd 2011
I'm curious: Did anyone forget about Ireland? Don't tell me s/he's not a character in Hetalia!
Windsong12
01:34:54 AM Jun 9th 2011
...I won't tell you, then.
Orihime
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10:37:55 AM Apr 8th 2011
To whoever keeps deleting female!Austria and female!Prussia from the Gender Flips pages: Stop it. They're official genderbends, not fan creations. And you're not the only one with right to edit that page anyway.

Proof: http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/10628563.html
BlackSun
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10:37:50 AM Mar 17th 2011
Yes, it's late, but just recently bugs me: why is the Asia's section listed as "ASEAN SENSASEAN"? Maybe I'm missing a pun or something, but ASEAN SENSASEAN got me thinking about, you know, ASEAN (in which the members are ONLY Vietnam and Thailand).
Windsong12
04:25:28 AM Apr 5th 2011
Just for Pun. That bothered me, too. Does anyone have any suggestions?
SuiCaedere
07:06:18 PM Apr 8th 2011
THE LAND FROM WERE THE SUN RISES?

(I'm really, really bad at this...)
BlackSun
09:47:41 AM Apr 12th 2011
^ It will only apply to Japan and MAYBE the whole Southeast Asia since they were practically his colonies in WWII. But Japan went to Axis and IMO we should preserve ASEAN SENSASEAN for, well, ASEAN. Or maybe we can split Vietnam and Thailand now from the main Asia section and gave it that name, since as far as official pictures go they both are not in "China's big whole screwed up family".

But adding to your suggestion (because I'm totally original) : The Family Where The Sun Sets Upon?
SuiCaedere
02:33:53 PM Apr 12th 2011
Yes, I see what you're saying.

Perhaps if we go with something along the lines of "The Far East" or "The orient" but I won't even dear to suggest a pun, because I'm just that way.

Maybe should I go ask the crazy guys in CAPTALIA for re-name suggestions? (or, you know... the actual TV Tropes forum)
Windsong12
01:15:08 AM Apr 13th 2011
@Black Sun

Don't forget, there's already Cuba's section ("The Empire On Which The Sun Sets In A Few Hours"), so we might want to get something that's entirely distinct.

I liked "ASEAN SENSASEAN," though, and I agree that Thailand-Vietnam should probably get their own section (despite how depressingly empty that section would be) named that.

Got nothing on rename suggestions for the East Asia page, though.
BlackSun
11:27:34 PM Apr 16th 2011
Totally out of topic, Cuba's section bugs me too. A whole page for just a character that is not even remotely popular in the fandom? (no offense for Cubans out there that I know MUST be pretty patriotic)

In topic, we have one whole page for Swiss and Liech already (True Neutral), and Thailand has shown up a lot in recent strip so the page is prone to fill up sooner or latter.

Btw, seconding suggestion to ask CAPTALIANS, or TV Tropes forum in Geography section. Just not me, since I'm a total lurker for both.
SuiCaedere
10:08:31 AM Apr 19th 2011
edited by SuiCaedere
Well actually is because that page is were the former Spanish Empire would be if, you know, they get characters. And is a bit unfair putting Cuba with "Those Who Do Not Seem To Fit Anywhere". The guy actually have a lot of dialogged and more appearance than say, Taiwan or Thailand and definitely more than TRNC, Australia or Vietnam so I don't see were else we could move him anyway.

For example we're still waiting for the damn official design of Luxembourg to move all the BENELUX to his own section and made "Neither Holy Nor Roman Nor An Empire" a little bit shorter.

So if I got the okey, consensus and all, I'll go to either CAPTALIA or the forums to ask about the re-name ideas, so someone just gimme the okey to go.
SuiCaedere
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10:03:04 AM Mar 1st 2011
edited by SuiCaedere
Hi, can someone split the Japanese Prefectures? With todays new additions they already reach critical mass.

Edit:

  • Done already.
Scorpendra
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11:46:44 AM Jan 10th 2011
edited by Scorpendra
When Asian countries besides the Far East and Indian Subcontinent get tans, are they going to get their own section or be divided between the Soviets and Ottomans? If it's the latter, the Eastern European Soap Opera is going to need a new name.
Barano
12:36:21 PM Jan 10th 2011
IMO let's worry about that when they get characters...
Scorpendra
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06:36:53 PM Jan 9th 2011
Who keeps adding Character Alignments? Especially with Macau: A guy who shows up for one panel isn't true neutral, he isn't anything!
Orihime
10:35:48 AM Apr 8th 2011
Hm, moved them to the YMMV tag to solve it.
Komodin
10:39:12 AM Apr 8th 2011
Liveangel
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01:43:41 AM Dec 4th 2010
Since the page is locked, I think now would be a good time to sort out the category weirdness. Some of the categories are fine as is, but others have weird names, and a couple need re-organizing. 11 characters in "Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire"? Really? (Some of these countries weren't really part of The Holy Roman Empire, yet Switzerland and Liechtenstein get their own category.)
Barano
02:18:10 AM Dec 4th 2010
What's wrong with that? It's a rather famous quote by Voltaire.

I agree that some countries don't belong there, though (Hungary, Spain, the Italies, etc.).
Scorpendra
06:38:36 PM Jan 9th 2011
edited by Scorpendra
It doesn't make much sense to break up Austria and Hungary. If she is taken out, though, she should be out in Istanbul not Constantinople.
Barano
10:57:10 PM Jan 9th 2011
Hungary was never part of the Holy Roman Empire, and the Ottoman occupation lasted for only ~160 years (when the country was split in three, anyway). Other than that geographically and politically the country is pretty far from Greece and Turkey (never mind Egypt), and is not part of the Balkans either.
Scorpendra
11:41:51 AM Jan 10th 2011
Spain, Italy bros and Hungary being there is obviously because of the relationship between the Holy Roman Empire and the House of Habsburgs. The question still stands though, of exactly where she should be placed if not there. The Useful Notes for Hungary shows nothing but relations with those two groups, unless you count early interaction with the Mongol Empire and I'm pretty sure putting her with the Asians makes far less sense than with either of her neighbors.

Actually, come to think of it, if she (and Austria and Bulgaria and Romano) was added to the Axis, it would bypass all that.
Barano
01:09:10 PM Jan 10th 2011
That may be so (but let's not forget that the Useful Notes offer only a very simplistic view of Hungary's history), but it's still a bit iffy seeing Spain, Hungary and the Italies (at least Romano) in a "Holy Roman Empire" group. The connection between most of these countries is not the HRE but the Habsburgs, but even that is connection is rather loose in some cases (Portugal, S.Italy...).

Scorpendra
07:13:20 AM Jan 11th 2011
edited by Scorpendra
Hungary's placement wouldn't be decided by something that couldn't be found in a brief overview.

How about if the Spanish Empire gets its own section? That takes Spain, Romano, Netherlands and Belgium out. If not, I'd like to hear some of your ideas.
Windsong12
01:23:30 AM Apr 13th 2011
Placing Hungary, Austria, Prussia, and Romano in the Axis wouldn't work out too well, considering that they're never shown "fighting" alongside Germany, Japan, and Italy. I always just saw this folder as a default for anyone European who wasn't a main character, Slavic, Nordic, or Switzerland.

"Central Europe," maybe (taking out Hungary, Austria, etc. and shoving them in with Swiss and Liech)? But then again, it doesn't make much sense to break up the Habsburgs.
BlackSun
11:30:17 PM Apr 16th 2011
Suggesting breaking up Spain, Romano, Netherlands and Belgium from the HRE section and merge them with Cuba's section AND renaming the page as 'Tomato Family'.

It's a kinda famous pixiv tag anyway. And lonely Cuba is forever alone.
MaiaMaiden
12:13:39 AM Jan 6th 2012
I support taking Spain and Romano out of the HRE section. The Habsburg connection isn't strong enough, as they're completely different cultural and historical entity. In the canon too they're usually shown separated from the Ausria-Hungary-Germany-N.Italy-Prussia family. The central Europeans and the Spanish Empire should be separated. Cuba can be there in the Spanish Empire category with them, waiting for the Latin Americans.

Now where should we put Monaco?

(Though the whole category system is rather out-dated. It made sense when there were less characters. If we would start building this page from the scratch, I'd arrange them geo-politically.)
MaiaMaiden
11:44:32 PM Feb 11th 2012
OH GOD PLESE DON'T KILL ME!!

Okay, so as nobody protested to the idea, nor did anything about it, I moved Spain, South Italy and Cuba into a new the Spanish Empire folder, wishfully hoping for Latin American characters to add there, or perhaps even Philippines.

I also took Monaco out of the HRE family, as she has zero interaction with any of them and has nothing do with them anyway. However, I had real troubles trying to figure out where she belongs. Logically she should go with France, but as the policy seems to be the Axis and the Allies folders are only for the classic Power Trio and the Five Man Band, I ended up putting her with the micronations. Technically she shouldn't really be there, as she's an acknowledged independent nation, but at least she's tiny and has intracted with them. Feel absolutely free to make other conclusions.
SuiCaedere
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10:22:38 AM Dec 2nd 2010
Ummm... The page is locked so, can someone add Mochimerica in the "Those Who Don't Seem To Fit Anywhere" section please? It's okey, he's American.
whereismytea
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04:34:17 PM Nov 27th 2010
Genderbender names:

I was just reading through the character sheet and noticed the genderbending section had quite a few alternate names for the flipped countries, but as far as I recall Himaruya had stopped giving "real" names to characters a long time ago. Then again, I'm not terribly up to date on the gender-bend stuff, so I don't want to assume, maybe he did in this case. However if they aren't from Himaruya then they really need to come down. Stick them under Fanon if you must, but really if they're not official why are they there?
Barano
04:39:22 PM Nov 27th 2010
edited by Barano
I haven't heard about any new human names either, especially not genderbent names... Edited the entry to weed them out.
whereismytea
09:41:45 PM Nov 27th 2010
Thanks for going ahead with that. :)
Windsong12
04:23:52 AM Apr 5th 2011
They were names that were posted by Himaruya as suggestions. But they aren't official.
SuiCaedere
topic
08:29:47 PM Nov 13th 2010
edited by SuiCaedere
I delete:

Portugal


Luxembourg


  • Gray Eyes: According to this preliminary sketch
  • The Ojou: Finland describes her as elegant in the Christmas Special. Might offer contrast with her standoffish brother and tomboyish sister.

Indonesia


Malaysia

The reason is the following post:

Sad sad sad. Yes. But if those "characters" remain in the TV Tropes page while not being official designs they will confuse many, many people. We've already a clear idea of this looking at Ukraine's and Denmark's fan names.
Barano
topic
06:34:29 AM Nov 8th 2010
edited by Barano
Just putting this here:

The mention in the link above is a mistranslation, in Japanese it says he spent his days bowing to Russia and serving him (someone confused "pekopeko" with "bokoboko"...). Given his relationship with Russia we can assume that Russia is the cause of the wounds but I don't remember it being confirmed anywhere.

SuiCaedere
topic
11:07:32 AM Oct 25th 2010
Deleted the following example:
  • Incorruptible Pure Pureness: Even after being tortured by Russia for decades two centuries, other characters constantly comment on the fact that he's still very kind.

We're talking about the guy who put a knife in Prussia's throat and freaks out every time he remembers how selfish Poland is.
DragonSigma
08:16:47 PM Nov 20th 2010
edited by DragonSigma
That was a threat during a war long in their past. Over the course of the stories he actually notices Sealand and cares enough to warn him to not try to become a nation, and he also puts up with Poland. (Who is begining to be a bit less self-centered)

bBut I get your point
Windsong12
04:21:31 AM Apr 5th 2011
edited by Windsong12
He is very kind, in fact - just very competent in a fight.
75.25.101.110
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01:38:20 PM Sep 19th 2010
Okay, guys? Shouldn't Canada be in with the Allies? Or did you 'forget' him?
Windsong12
01:24:34 AM Apr 13th 2011
He was never shown fighting alongside the other Allies. It's like Hungary, Austria, and Prussia not being in "The Axis" page.
Stoogebie
11:06:08 AM Jun 11th 2012
I don't know for sure, but if Canada was with the Allied Forces, it probably wasn't shown because people can never recall who Canada is anyway.
SuiCaedere
topic
12:31:18 PM Jul 21st 2010
Apparently Poland and Lithuania were married in canon looking at the latest scanlations of Vol 3, should we add it?
DarkTeamRush1
topic
03:25:28 AM Jun 23rd 2010
Did anyone think about adding the full chibis instead of the card ones? A couple characters, like Iceland and Belgium, have chibis but not cards.
SuiCaedere
04:26:38 PM Jan 21st 2011
edited by SuiCaedere
I've made some as per requested...
  • Australia, has a chibi sketch and I'm really hoping Himayura will update colored version in the future... maybe. For now I put up a fanmade version, they will be deleted when the official coloring goes out.
  • I add Taiwan and Thailand and re-upload Belgium and Netherlands with the Art Stella artwork. Now added Vietnam and Macau as well.
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