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Unsung it's a living Since: Jun, 2016
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Feb 14th 2022 at 12:03:36 PM •••

I'm not sure if unbolding Giyera was intentional. Has he appeared somewhere else since AOS? Just checking.

TropeLicious Since: Dec, 2012
Sep 19th 2013 at 7:17:59 PM •••

Technically, since people thought Coulson wouldn't return, it did start out as Killed Off for Real, but it ended up becoming a subversion.

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Unsung Since: Jun, 2016
ProfessorGrimm Since: Nov, 2013
May 1st 2016 at 8:43:57 PM •••

Um, why do all of the character pages lead to dead links all of a sudden?

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Villanseacow Since: May, 2015
May 4th 2016 at 12:18:06 PM •••

I don't know, there are a bunch of redirect pages to new trope pages. Honestly its just a mess.

ProfessorGrimm Since: Nov, 2013
Mar 24th 2015 at 8:21:18 PM •••

Um, where do we put Robert Gonzales and "his" SHIELD at?

ForgottenJedi Since: Feb, 2011
Sep 26th 2014 at 10:00:55 PM •••

I think spoilers from season one need to be unhidden, otherwise certain characters (like Ward) are going to have pretty much all white entries. There is precedent for this with shows like Arrow and The Walking Dead.

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ForgottenJedi Since: Feb, 2011
Oct 24th 2014 at 11:12:47 AM •••

Nobody responded to this, so I figured I'd expand a little more on what I think needs to be done and hope somebody replies.

1. All spoilers from Season 1 need to be unhidden. Ward's entry is basically unreadable with all the hidden text, and from the exposed spoilers it is obvious he is evil.

2. Ward should be moved to Project Centipede.

3. Garret and the Clairvoyant entries should be merged.

4. Project Centipede should be listed as a subsection of Hydra.

5. Raina should be moved to the other characters page, since she is no longer associated with Hydra.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 24th 2014 at 11:24:55 AM •••

1: Pretty much, yeah. Throw in a warning at the top of the page that there are unmarked spoilers for season 1.

2: Agreed, but leave a folder with an entry here saying "please see his entry on Project Centipede".

3: I disagree. Leave entries for Garret (as he appeared) here, and the Clairvoyant as a separate entity. They're effectively different personae.

4: Agreed.

5: Sure.

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ForgottenJedi Since: Feb, 2011
Oct 24th 2014 at 11:39:33 AM •••

3. Are they? Most of what is listed under the Clairvoyant's entry are tropes directly related to Garret after The Reveal, including tropes related to his training of Ward and his death. The Clairvoyant was just a codename for him, not an entirely different personality.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 29th 2014 at 8:13:20 AM •••

Like what's been done about the character pages Forgotten Jedi.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Sep 23rd 2014 at 7:32:09 PM •••

I'd like to propose we finally make a HYDRA character page. The second season's antagonists are pure HYDRA as opposed to being a front for Centipede.

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TBNY Since: May, 2010
Sep 23rd 2014 at 10:14:05 PM •••

Agreed, though I would think with Centipede being part of that HYDRA sub-page. Of course I could be wrong.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Sep 24th 2014 at 12:39:40 AM •••

I would agree with it being part as well.

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Tanokki Since: Sep, 2010
Apr 23rd 2014 at 12:24:12 AM •••

I'd like to propose moving Garret and Ward to the Centipede/Hydra page. We know that Garret isn't coming back from the dark side and I doubt Ward will without a redemption equals death moment. In addition the promos have sufficently advertised both Garret and Ward as bad guys now, so there's no need to keep the masquerade going.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Apr 23rd 2014 at 7:27:48 AM •••

I don't think that's wise. Both are still Walking Spoilers so keeping them on their relevant subpages and getting rid of the more spoilerly tropes is the best solution.

Wilahelm02 Since: Aug, 2010
Apr 23rd 2014 at 10:33:32 AM •••

I think they do need to be moved. Blocking out spoiler info for a little while is one thing but we need to decide how long do we keep them on their subpages. I say after the end of the season we start moving characters around to their proper place.

SMARTALIENQT Since: Jun, 2009
May 6th 2014 at 2:38:41 PM •••

At the same time, should Triplett be moved to Team Coulson? Obviously we haven't reached the end of the season yet, but assuming he lives - this is a Whedon show, after all - it looks like he's replacing Ward as The Big Guy.

Wilahelm02 Since: Aug, 2010
Apr 22nd 2014 at 4:15:25 PM •••

At this point I think we should change the Centipede group to HYDRA since its been shown that Centipede was just a subdivision of HYDRA. Also maybe move some of the characters around now that their true loyalties have been shown.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Nov 20th 2013 at 6:08:45 PM •••

I'm curious how long we can keep adding one-episode characters here.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Nov 20th 2013 at 6:21:18 PM •••

I thought that was weird from the get-go.

It'll eventually need to be its own page.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Nov 26th 2013 at 6:04:20 PM •••

Well Mike Peterson is coming back, so that opens the door for an "Other characters" sub-page in the future.

Elevas Since: Jan, 2011
Oct 5th 2013 at 6:15:09 AM •••

Is it just me or is Skye not that much of an audience favourite? I'm seeing posts like this one cropping up all over facebook. https://www.facebook.com/CarpeClunes/posts/656212227736014

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 5th 2013 at 8:27:59 PM •••

Becuase a single facebook post is relevant here. Yeah, really something the Characters subpage needs to take note of.

ArkadyDarell Since: Dec, 2011
Oct 5th 2013 at 8:32:33 PM •••

Is the snotty attitude really required? The OP said they've seen more than just the one post, and she hasn't been very popular over on Tumblr either.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 6th 2013 at 8:40:24 AM •••

Well, Audience Reaction tropes go on YMMV, not character pages. I made a discussion thread about her there... I think she's a contender for The Scrappy.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 1st 2013 at 10:05:17 PM •••

I'm thinking we need to merge Fitz and Simmons into a single entry. They already have a lot of duplicate tropes spread between them, and they are referred to as a single character in-universe pretty often. Plus, there's precedent with similar examples of Those Two Guys on other character pages.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:01:59 PM •••

I just doubt they'll stay The Dividual for long. As soon as one of them gets their Day in the Limelight it'll be tough to keep them as one unit.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 2nd 2013 at 2:26:46 PM •••

Personally, I doubt that, but it doesn't matter. Obviously they're two separate people, but groups that are similar enough to have nearly identical trope lists are often merged. See Characters.Girl Genius has Da Boyz, the Generals, and the Heterodyne Boys, Characters.Gunnerkrigg Court has Zimmy and Gamma, Red and Blue, Cooke and January, Characters.The Legend Of Korra Enemies has Desna and Eska...the list goes on.

Currently, they have a grand total of two tropes that don't apply equally to both of them: Ditzy Genius for Fitz, and Nightmare Fetishist for Simmons (and Simmons is pretty ditzy too). Even their character descriptions are identical. I see no value in keeping them separate.

ArkadyDarell Since: Dec, 2011
Oct 2nd 2013 at 3:05:46 PM •••

Personally I see no reason to really worry about it until the sheet gets long enough that duplicate tropes are worth worrying about, TBH.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 2nd 2013 at 3:13:38 PM •••

They should b merged because it's silly to have two nearly duplicate entries, not because of page size.

Can we get some other opinions on this?

Poptard Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:34:32 PM •••

I'd say keep them separate for now. We're only 2 episodes in and I doubt their characters won't be fleshed out in the future, so it'd be wasteful to merge them now only to split them up again a few episodes later. Keeping the duplicate entries isn't hurting anyone so far, and if they really stay essentially the same character throughout the season, we should again consider combining the entries.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011
Sep 27th 2013 at 6:32:08 AM •••

Right, I'm going to delete the Five-Man Band tropes fro the Agents Of SHIELD TV characters becuase they aren't a straight example. You can't have 2 people as The Smart Guy and one person be The Chick and The Sixth Ranger for example.

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ArkadyDarell Since: Dec, 2011
Sep 27th 2013 at 6:55:30 AM •••

Considering that Fitz and Simmons are The Dividual, I think this is a case where you can have 2 people as the Smart Guy. And Skye being the Sixth Ranger isn't quite the case anyway.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, those tropes can be used individually even if there isn't an overall Five-Man Band. Someone can obviously be The Smart Guy or The Leader or whatever of a team even if there's only 3 or 4 characters or whichever.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Sep 27th 2013 at 8:50:54 AM •••

Yes, you can have multiples of the component tropes. It's Five-Man Band as a whole that has the problems; the rest are fine. I'm gonna add them back.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Sep 25th 2013 at 11:48:18 AM •••

I think we need to move characters who aren't in the tv show back to Characters.SHIELD. For characters that show up in both the cinematic universe and the show (like Coulson), we can give them a folder, but the folder points people to Characters.Agents Of SHIELD.

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