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Tanokki
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12:24:12 AM Apr 23rd 2014
I'd like to propose moving Garret and Ward to the Centipede/Hydra page. We know that Garret isn't coming back from the dark side and I doubt Ward will without a redemption equals death moment. In addition the promos have sufficently advertised both Garret and Ward as bad guys now, so there's no need to keep the masquerade going.
VeryMelon
07:27:48 AM Apr 23rd 2014
I don't think that's wise. Both are still Walking Spoilers so keeping them on their relevant subpages and getting rid of the more spoilerly tropes is the best solution.
Wilahelm02
10:33:32 AM Apr 23rd 2014
I think they do need to be moved. Blocking out spoiler info for a little while is one thing but we need to decide how long do we keep them on their subpages. I say after the end of the season we start moving characters around to their proper place.
SMARTALIENQT
02:38:41 PM May 6th 2014
At the same time, should Triplett be moved to Team Coulson? Obviously we haven't reached the end of the season yet, but assuming he lives - this is a Whedon show, after all - it looks like he's replacing Ward as The Big Guy.
Wilahelm02
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04:15:25 PM Apr 22nd 2014
At this point I think we should change the Centipede group to HYDRA since its been shown that Centipede was just a subdivision of HYDRA. Also maybe move some of the characters around now that their true loyalties have been shown.
VeryMelon
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06:08:45 PM Nov 20th 2013
I'm curious how long we can keep adding one-episode characters here.
Larkmarn
06:21:18 PM Nov 20th 2013
I thought that was weird from the get-go.

It'll eventually need to be its own page.
VeryMelon
06:04:20 PM Nov 26th 2013
Well Mike Peterson is coming back, so that opens the door for an "Other characters" sub-page in the future.
Elevas
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06:15:09 AM Oct 5th 2013
Is it just me or is Skye not that much of an audience favourite? I'm seeing posts like this one cropping up all over facebook. https://www.facebook.com/CarpeClunes/posts/656212227736014
VeryMelon
08:27:59 PM Oct 5th 2013
Becuase a single facebook post is relevant here. Yeah, really something the Characters subpage needs to take note of.
ArkadyDarell
08:32:33 PM Oct 5th 2013
Is the snotty attitude really required? The OP said they've seen more than just the one post, and she hasn't been very popular over on Tumblr either.
Larkmarn
08:40:24 AM Oct 6th 2013
Well, Audience Reaction tropes go on YMMV, not character pages. I made a discussion thread about her there... I think she's a contender for The Scrappy.
Discar
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10:05:17 PM Oct 1st 2013
I'm thinking we need to merge Fitz and Simmons into a single entry. They already have a lot of duplicate tropes spread between them, and they are referred to as a single character in-universe pretty often. Plus, there's precedent with similar examples of Those Two Guys on other character pages.
Larkmarn
01:01:59 PM Oct 2nd 2013
I just doubt they'll stay The Dividual for long. As soon as one of them gets their Day in the Limelight it'll be tough to keep them as one unit.
Discar
02:26:46 PM Oct 2nd 2013
Personally, I doubt that, but it doesn't matter. Obviously they're two separate people, but groups that are similar enough to have nearly identical trope lists are often merged. See Characters.Girl Genius has Da Boyz, the Generals, and the Heterodyne Boys, Characters.Gunnerkrigg Court has Zimmy and Gamma, Red and Blue, Cooke and January, Characters.The Legend Of Korra Enemies has Desna and Eska...the list goes on.

Currently, they have a grand total of two tropes that don't apply equally to both of them: Ditzy Genius for Fitz, and Nightmare Fetishist for Simmons (and Simmons is pretty ditzy too). Even their character descriptions are identical. I see no value in keeping them separate.
ArkadyDarell
03:05:46 PM Oct 2nd 2013
Personally I see no reason to really worry about it until the sheet gets long enough that duplicate tropes are worth worrying about, TBH.
Discar
03:13:38 PM Oct 2nd 2013
They should b merged because it's silly to have two nearly duplicate entries, not because of page size.

Can we get some other opinions on this?
Poptard
07:34:32 PM Oct 2nd 2013
I'd say keep them separate for now. We're only 2 episodes in and I doubt their characters won't be fleshed out in the future, so it'd be wasteful to merge them now only to split them up again a few episodes later. Keeping the duplicate entries isn't hurting anyone so far, and if they really stay essentially the same character throughout the season, we should again consider combining the entries.
VeryMelon
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06:32:08 AM Sep 27th 2013
edited by 71.241.255.226
Right, I'm going to delete the Five-Man Band tropes fro the Agents Of SHIELD TV characters becuase they aren't a straight example. You can't have 2 people as The Smart Guy and one person be The Chick and The Sixth Ranger for example.
ArkadyDarell
06:55:30 AM Sep 27th 2013
edited by 74.67.22.81
Considering that Fitz and Simmons are The Dividual, I think this is a case where you can have 2 people as the Smart Guy. And Skye being the Sixth Ranger isn't quite the case anyway.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, those tropes can be used individually even if there isn't an overall Five-Man Band. Someone can obviously be The Smart Guy or The Leader or whatever of a team even if there's only 3 or 4 characters or whichever.
Discar
08:50:54 AM Sep 27th 2013
Yes, you can have multiples of the component tropes. It's Five-Man Band as a whole that has the problems; the rest are fine. I'm gonna add them back.
Discar
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11:48:18 AM Sep 25th 2013
I think we need to move characters who aren't in the tv show back to Characters.SHIELD. For characters that show up in both the cinematic universe and the show (like Coulson), we can give them a folder, but the folder points people to Characters.Agents Of SHIELD.
ArkadyDarell
12:15:02 PM Sep 25th 2013
Seconded.
TropeLicious
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07:17:59 PM Sep 19th 2013
Technically, since people thought Coulson wouldn't return, it did start out as Killed Off for Real, but it ended up becoming a subversion.
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