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09:03:36 AM Sep 14th 2013
Hi folks I need a bit of help with an example(s) from a Special Efforts thread. See InstantDeathBullet Sandbox for more details Links to threads are in the description.

Any help, suggestions, or other info can be posted to The Special Efforts thread

Ok does this trope just happen at all in novels or does it occur elsewhere in the Anime and other media?

The example shown here is a not a proper aversion but may fit under another trope.

•Seen in the Robotech novels by Jack Mc Kinney; Roy Fokker meets his tragic end after having his cockpit riddled with bullets from Zentradi aircraft. Granted, he's taken to the medical ward once he lands, but he decides not to stick around for further tests, and goes to see Claudia instead. He ends up bleeding to death on her couch, just as she's finishing her pineapple salad.~deathisdramatic, or too dumb to live

03:24:19 PM Dec 28th 2012
QUICK QUESTION, since warner bros bought the rights from Harmony Gold... does that mean their free of the Legal snares and can use Robotech Macross (The first one) AND southern Cross??
06:30:58 AM Apr 7th 2017
This is completely untrue with regards to Super Dimension Cavalry: Southern Cross. Tatsunoko Productions (who is partnered with Harmony Gold) created it and owns it lock, stock and 2 smoking barrels. Studio Ammonite, who did the mecha designs, was the in-house animation design team of Hirotoshi Okura, Takashi Ono and Hiroshi Ogawa. They went on to do the designs for Robotech II: The Sentinels (many of which, incidentally, morphed into the designs for Red Photon Zillion that Tatsunoko also produced). Harmony Gold has used brand new animation (not recycled animation) using Southern Cross elements/designs/images in 3 of its 4 post-Robotech projects: Robotech II: The Sentinels, The Shadow Chronicles and Love, Live, Alive.

People are confusing the fact that Big West claims the Super Dimension line of titles, even though I doubt they claim ALL of them since Super Dimension SF: Legend of Rall I & II were Cream Lemon (aka hentai) episodes. Harmony Gold cannot make derivative works of only SDF Macross (they also gave up the rights to Mega Zone 23 Part 1 back in the 80s as I understand it). The ONLY rights HG and Tatsunoko don't have is the Original Author's Rights for when SDC: Southern Cross was still a Sengoku Jidaii in Space series. Reference Robotech Art 3 (among other things).
11:20:40 PM Nov 5th 2012
edited by Nohbody
Pulled We Could Have Avoided All This. Trope was renamed to Could Have Avoided This Plot due to misuse, but as a Zero-Context Example there's nothing to show how/if it applies.

If it does apply (been forever since I've watched the whole thing), please provide some context for those who haven't seen it before (or those with crappy memories like mine :P ).
06:02:02 AM Aug 1st 2012
Deleted, cause I seriously have no idea where this is coming from.

  • Lost in Translation: A strange case came about as part of the translation of Genesis Climber MOSPEADA to "New Generation". While in most cases the script rewrite is accurate enough (barring necessary rewrites for "protoculture" and bowdlerization) to assume the Robotech writers had translations of the Japanese scripts to work from, sometimes just having a script isn't enough. The writers were confused because there are Only Six Faces in anime and assumed that the superimposition of the deceased Marlene's face over the Invid simulagent Aisha/Ariel's in the episode where Aisha/Ariel was introduced meant the two characters were supposed to be identical save for their hair color (and so they ended up getting the same name and even the same voice actress, as well as some nonsense about cloning and genetic memories carrying over in the tie-in novels).

    In actuality, they weren't supposed to be identical—it was just post-traumatic stress flashbacks on Scott/Stick's part coupled with the general similarity of faces in anime. When Harmony Gold was working on the Shadow Chronicles sequel, which was mostly a direct continuation of "New Generation", Mospeada writer Shinji Aramaki made the mistake clear (and pointed out that the whole idea was actually rather creepy). As a result, in Shadow Chronicles Ariel got a new voice actress, and suddenly insisted Scott stop calling her by his dead girlfriend's name (among other retcons).

Yes, Marlene Rush and Ariel share a voice actress. Yes, the story makes it clear that Scott is doing some projecting, hence pulling a Dead Guy Junior when they realized that the amnesiac girl they'd met last episode really needed a name. However, nowhere is it ever implied that Scott believes New!Marlene to be the same person as Marlene Rush, and the series itself spills the beans about her nature pretty much immediately and provides her real name not long after. And voice aside (which is rampant across the entire series) I don't see how one can say that Marlene Rush and Marlene/Ariel are "identical": one is an amnesiac with what appears to be PTSD and no problem with getting nekkid, and the other is a staffer in spaceship who doesn't get much of a personality before getting killed off. What, exactly, is the similarity supposed to be here.

Yes, I get that the novels did try to establish that there was a greater connection between the two characters besides the name. That's on the books, though, and while it is a retcon, it's not an example of this trope.

12:25:42 PM Apr 4th 2012
Example needs context:

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