Those were removed because those examples belong on the Character page.

Thanks! I have moved the Demon Head and It Belongs In A Museum entries to the appropriate Character pages.

Alright, moved to the Quotes page. I'll put it back if anyone disagrees.

For 1: #s 2, 3, potentially 6, and especially 5 could fall under Character Exaggeration, but I'm not so sure about #s 1, or 4. (For 1: Fiery Redhead Battler to Tsundere, believable and exaggeration. Self-esteem issues to Beauty Queen... more of an inversion. Also, contrary to what many think, May and Max are not creepy.)

It's an in-universe example; Pokemon battles are akin to sports, after all, so Complacent Gaming Syndrome can apply in the context of the series. I'll add it back, but feel free to remove it if anybody objects.

I added the In Universe tag so that the wiki would stop recognizing it as YMMV; YMMV only applies to things out of universe (for more meta tropes, such as this one) or aren't lampshaded, after all.

Oh. sorry, i planned put the Hoenn gym leaders, but, well...i forgot. Sorry.. Well, in either case, between the Kanto Gym Leaders mentioned, the more similar to their game counterparts are Koga and Lt.Surge. the problem is that i was in one hurry when put them there and... well...

...U-um, I think you might want the Just Bugs Me page, not here. I can't tell if you're trying to say you'll like the name when Cilan/Dent's brothers get named too (???) or you just don't like it in general? I've seen a lot of positive responses to the name though, actually.

Basically, I'm saying that there could've been a good pun that the dubbers could have used. Which, by itself, is IMO not enough to warrant an IJBM. (Especially since I could have made too much of the potential connection.)

As for the name itself, given the franchise's problems with Pronunciation, I wouldn't be surprised if its pronounced as a "k" rather than an "s"; which to me would have Unfortunate Implications. (Even if it turns out to be a Dragonball reference.) But if it's pronounced "sil-an", (or "si-lan",) then it's a reference that I don't get.  ^*

^{And I'm in my thirites.}

It may well be that his two brothers could bring it all together. Until then... this post is basically a Stream Of Consciousness until such time as the brothers are named, in which case, it'll go to the respective page.

EDIT (2/2/11): The other names have now been revealed... Cilan refers to Cilantro, i.e. an herb that starts with C. Chili is a fiery food that starts with C. And Cress.. starts with C and is 1 letter off of Crest. But they probably chose that name because that was already an established RPG name.

Better than the Japanese names at least, just taking 3 english words starting with "tri-" and dropping the "tri". In which case, I would've thought that "Dent" should've been the name for the Water-Type, not the Grass-Type.

"Cress" is referring to watercress, for the record

...If you're talking about the games, it already is. If you're talking about Best Wishes, why should it? It follows in the same continuity as Ash's previous travels. It may be retreading Kanto episodes slightly (apparently), but that doesn't make it a reboot.

Yeah, was talking about the anime. I'm watching it raw and I misunderstood the introduction.

It does seem different from the past seasons though, Team Rocket seems to be getting stuff done. :Shrug:

I added a somewhat good picture from the ending credits, but it has annoying text covering up some of it.

Hmm...i guess that you is right. Dissident opinions?

Went ahead and pruned as follows:

• There are sadly actually several examples of this trope, but mileage is always varying as to which ones count and to what extent.
• Actually, Lt. Surge was a lucky one:
  • In the games, Jasmine is an extremely shy girl and the only gym leader without disciples. In the anime, she is not shy and is one of the few gym leaders with visible disciples.
  • Erika is a soft-spoken and somewhat vain girl in the games, but in the anime she was much more assertive and down-to-earth.

Covered by the anonymous poster.

Kept (and promoted to the reference line) Liza & Tate because when you can use "Y's Expy" or "an Ersatz of Z" to describe a character which has distinct behavior in the original, that shows that the writers just didn't care, and thus the Trope applies. Also kept the Surge and Steven examples because it is a direct opposite of their game's portrayl, (though we could say the same for Bill,) whereas Jasmine and Erika may merely have suffered For Want Of A Nail. (Especially Erika: not only is she running her own business; but the Sabrina of the Anime is not just a complete psycho, she isn't actually the Gym Leader, (her Dad actually had that post,) hence Erika's basicaly the Senior female. (Yes, Daisy could be older, but she's not as responsible.)) On the other hand, an argument could be made for Surge that it's just a front.

As for Sabrina, well, it's easy (and all too common) to derail a desire to train a lot of psychics into a Living Doll Collector.

Also removed this:

• In the games, Misty self-describes as a world-famous beauty. This is actually pretty ironic, as not being such in the anime is of some importance to her character. What makes it also bizarre is that she does so in the version of the games that was actually based on the anime. Go figure!

That's not derailment. That's more Hidden Depths and self-esteem issues which could be resolved quite well with time and puberty. We know that she can outshine her sisters if she puts a little effort into it. (The Summer Festival, her Goldeen Showgirl Skirt, and her mermaid outfit are all in-anime evidence.)

On the other hand, that's all Season 1. Misty plus Togepi arguably equals Chickification, which is a Sub Trope. If she wasn't a Faux Action Girl to begin with (and that case can be argued.)

I yet guess that more examples not count. The motive that i guessed that 74.64.15.17 is right is that the trope description of Character Derailment mentions "Note that if this is a result of adaptation, it should fall under Adaptation Decay. It only counts as this trope if it happens in canon." Paragraph 6 of Character Derailment.

Definitely true for Surge and Steven. The egregiousness of the Psychic examples makes it borderline. Went ahead and transfered all. Also restored the Misty example to that Trope. Erika and Jasmine, again, are more of "For Want Of A Nail". Or perhaps it's more of "decay" is a negative term and the changes to Jasmine and Erika are either neutral or positive.

Just to be clear, Misty not (wanting to) be(ing) a beauty is Trans-Adaptaion and is Decay. Togepi-influenced (or general Johto-influenced) derailment is within-continuity and would still fall under Derailment.

And now I learn from Bulbapedia that The latter match did happen, but only part of it was shown. As a Movie Intro cap at that!

Perhaps we should refile that as Yank The Dogs Chain. I mean, Ash just beat a thorn in his side, and now he's about to be Curb Stomped by a trainer with a Darkrai?! He's about to go International! Come on, guys!

Well...If Brock's the Chick, where does that leave Misty? The Lancer? I don't think The Bitch is a Trope...

Isn't Brock more of a The Big Guy or a The Smart Guy?

Cassius: Well, the definition of "The Lancer" in the Four Temperament Ensemble page (referencing Five Man Band) is "the disagreer", but that's just as bad a flanderization. Misty and Ash really are Not So Different and if they ever got together would be listed as Birds Of A Feather.

HoOh: The Smart Guy, yes. But he's also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for The Big Guy, Misty's and Brock's Pokemon provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes to the team, it is usually in the manner of bringing in the reserves. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his tournament-loss-induced Wangst is straight out of Boot Camp. Yeah, she does have her moments, but most of these are with the Character Of The Day. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the Made For TV Movie, Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon, it's debatable as to which of Misty and May are The Lancer and The Big Guy and which of Brock and Max are The Smart Guy and The Chick. (Of course, given that the latter two don't do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team). (I see that movie as a mea culpa for the unintended fake out of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as The Lancer than The Chick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, (and becomes quite good at it,) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash's. (EDIT: Potholed the wrong Trope at first)

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as "The Bitch", then this trope can be easily substituted. Unless The Hero is The Millstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she is a battle trainer who isn't getting badges who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; and those few that are still available are drowned out by her A-type "qualities". (EDIT: Until she became a "mom", which led to its own problems.  ^*

^{As enforced from outside.}

) Since we rarely see her in a situation that can't be solved just as well by Ash, (water-based scenarios notwithstanding, heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an arc in the Limelight for her,) it is (still) for the best for her to have left Ash's team and be her own hero. (And not merely be Kicked Upstairs into training a pool.)

I'm not that versed with the later show, but, at least four Kanto gyms were initial losses (Brock, Surge, Sabrina, Blaine), and technically Ash didn't win Brock's badge. Really doesn't work.

Actually, the first season fourteen episodes made a good number of references to stuff like levels and such. Given that Butterfree was the first Pokemon Ash released, the Dig example and the earliest instances of "Pikachu, the horn!" would... actually count as Early Installment Weirdness due to the fact that they seemed to be going with the games at first and later dropped it when the mechanics didn't serve the plot. Maybe I need to add that item to the Trope List.

Thunder Armour is from Hoenn, though, so there's no excuse there.

And the element system does get to reffered to frequently and often used incorrectly, though some examples of that might be more appropriately filed under Gretzy Has The Ball...

For that one, however, it has to be internally inconsistent. I mean, have we actually seen a normal-type Pokemon shrug off a shadow ball in-Anime?

Speaking of Internally inconsistent, in Episode 625, Ash had Pikachu use Thunder on Team Rocket's latest Humongous Mecha while both he and a soon-to-be acquired Gible were in the claws of said mecha on account of the fact that Gible's immune to electric attacks.

EDIT (5/17), quote from the dub:

Since I strongly doubt that Pikachu's Thunder(bolt/shock) was a miss every time he was up against a Dragon-type, This puts Screw The Rules I Have Plot back into play. Or maybe it's more like the current writers are packing player's guides that the first season's writers either didn't have ot didn't bother reading

For this one, Pikachu have to have REALLY affected a Ground-type in the anime(seriously, Geodude or Onix Ground-type was mentioned at all in the anime?)

In either case, the powers, weaknesses, resistances and abilities of the pokemon- both in the anime and in the game world are supposed to be natural, not defined by game rules. The game portrayed in the anime and in the game have no real life equivalent and the things actually ruled by game rules in-universe are consistent(well, at least, not annoy the viewers).

But it's not consistent. The Elemental Rock Paper Scissors mechanic from the games does exist in the anime, and it is being followed and referred to regularly, except when the plot suddenly demands otherwise(the anime does try to justify this in some cases, but not always). Now I'm not sure if it fits the trope in question, but there is definitely something wrong there.

In the anime, the pokemon types are not supposed to be "game mechanics", not more that birds having wings is a "game mechanic" in the real world. And, in the in-game universe, is the same thing( Gold and Silver have many mentions to the Steel-type being "discovered") I guess that the trope you is searching is Plot Hole- but remember that this only applies with something that contradicts something in the anime. If the only basis is the game, remember that "in the games" not means "canon to the anime"(by the way, only circa half of the dual type pokemon have their secondary type confirmed, the Rock-type was mentioned as resistent to eletricity lots of times, between other diferences. And the Elemental Rock Paper Scissors looks be simpler than the games: "strong to" look always mean both "causes more damage " AND "suffers less damage " and "weak to" look always mean both "causes less damage" AND "suffers more damage" ) And finally, who say that the Elemental Rock Paper Scissors in the anime is identical to the video games? Yes, is hundreds of times more similar than the one of the Pokemon Trading Card Game, but...

True, it's not supposed to be a game mechanic(which is why I don't really have a problem with it when there's an explanation like attacking the horn). But the Elemental Rock Paper Scissors in the anime is obviously supposed to be identical to the one in the games, because as I said, the characters mention it regularly. I would say it's a case of the attacks being as Strong As They Need To Be, but going be the description and the examples on that page, it doesn't seem like it completely fits.

The rock-type is resistent to electricity in the anime.This was mentioned lots of times yet in the first season. In the games he is not. And be similar not means identical.

Are you sure this wasn't a translation error? And even if it wasn't, these things happen even in the later seasons, which are considerably more accurate to the games.

It looks like the article for the First Movie was cut since it was apparently blank. NVM, I must have read the cutlist wrong.

not just those, several pages have the word Pokemon changed to Pok?n?. this is either a prank or a glitch/error in the database

It must be an error. There may be a problem with typing in the letter "e" with and accent(é). I don't really know if that's true, but this issue has been going on in this site for a while now.

My guess is that Anime includes the series and the movies.

Because the primary Canon is the Video Game one.