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crayonhead
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07:29:30 AM Mar 23rd 2012
Hey, for the bittersweet ending trope, do we discount the fact that at 22:05 in the anime, shu is looking in the general direction of his hand? Blind as he may be, it's kinda hard to know where your hand is if you haven't seen in a couple years.
illegalcheese
10:26:15 PM Mar 24th 2012
I think we can. He's just moving his head around to stick his ear piece in. If it looks like he's looking at his hand, then it's just the animation director futzing up and forgetting how exactly a blind man would act in that situation. Or not; I've never actually watched a blind person trying to put an ear phone in. Maybe they got it exactly right.
sparx1
12:23:16 PM Nov 5th 2012
Now that you bring it up, perhaps Shu might not have been *completely*, 100%, "world of darkness" blind, but maybe the kind of blind where he can see only a tiny bit, as blurs at very close range. It would explain how he didn't seem to be staring off into space all the time.
crayonhead
12:05:24 PM Apr 6th 2013
But blind people have better hearing, so Shu may have been able to discern which direction it was. I'm just not sure what blind people would do in that situation.
Iaculus
02:43:37 PM Apr 6th 2013
Blind people aren't Daredevil. That's an urban legend. They just rely on it more, and since Shu was blind for a relatively short time, he'd have developed few of the skills that, say, someone who ws blind from birth might have had.
Kazeto
04:04:42 PM Dec 28th 2013
Close your eyes or wear a blindfold and start moving your hands. It might come to you as a surprise, but you likely will instinctively know where your hand is in relation to your own body. Just like most people can, as we control our bodies not by thinking "and now I need to flex this muscle" but rather by visualising where do we want some body part to be. Thus, barring outside interferences he should have no problems inserting an earphone since it's small and designed to be easily inserted.
SilverWings
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01:05:18 PM Mar 8th 2012
WHO ELSE HERE REALLY DESPISES KEIDO AND YUU RIGHT NOW???
Greenmonk
01:10:26 AM Mar 12th 2012
I despise Shu and Inori far more.
NamikazeArtemis
06:36:14 PM Mar 16th 2012
So you're going to stop watching Guilty Crown again next week?
Greenmonk
04:23:18 AM Mar 27th 2012
Too late for that.
SilverWings
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05:28:22 PM Feb 27th 2012
I've been wondering if the image of Hare dying in Shu's arms would be a better image for Died in Your Arms Tonight. Would it be too spoiler-laden for a page image? Because, honestly, it would make a better page image in my opinion. It's clearer and demonstrates the trope better as it's easier to understand what's happening.
horothewolf
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11:53:33 AM Feb 26th 2012
Removal of Wham Episode large chunk: I agree that it was getting a little ridiculous, but just because there's a lot of Wham in this series doesn't mean we should just cut out everything, right? Maybe we should pick out a few outstanding examples instead.
SilverWings
05:17:41 PM Feb 29th 2012
Well, why don't we just create another page for them and link it under the Wham Episode entry on the page. We can just put them all there. There was another anime, Pant and Stocking, that did something similar, but with Shout Outs.
lohyav
06:43:47 PM Mar 1st 2012
edited by lohyav
I approve this. If we are listing shout-outs and wham episodes for other animes (look at macross or Madoka), there is no reason not to do it for this one. Something like "Wham episode : see the trope's page" would be fine.
SilverWings
12:03:35 PM Mar 2nd 2012
OK... But where are all the wham episode listings we already did? Did somebody up and delete them? So we're going to have to rewrite all of them for the list of wham episodes? Ugh... *goes to go make wham episode list page*
Greenmonk
01:11:44 AM Mar 12th 2012
Guilty Crown: The only show that tries to substitute Wham Episodes for actual plot or character development.
SilverWings
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02:15:20 PM Feb 16th 2012
Who else here is incredibly pissed off at the student body? They're easily manipulated, commit mass face-heel turns in a heartbeat, and conveniently manage to ignore the fact that had their leader played the nice guy, thins probably would have collapsed a while ago. Oh, and they just so happen to choose to agree to go through a coup d'ta (or however you spell that term) after their leader manages to bust them out of the red line. Subtle, real subtle you guys. It's only after the GHQ backup arrives that they realize that they've just screwed over the source of their only major advantage, too.
Iaculus
03:01:26 PM Feb 16th 2012
Honestly, they had the right idea in that instance. Shu was seriously losing his grip, and was starting to devolve into full Caligula-mode. The advantages granted by his Void Genome were rapidly circling the plughole. Plus, by that point he'd given them their exit-route, so he was no longer necessary.

They've made some stupid decisions in the past, but I don't think that was one of them.
SilverWings
06:02:18 PM Feb 16th 2012
edited by SilverWings
But then what was the point of rebelling after they had a way outside? They were free! There was no more need for an organized system like that. It was as simple as making sure everyone made contact with their families at that point. and you still can't deny how Shu's leadership and strict means of keeping everyone in line was what made that possible.
Iaculus
02:52:41 AM Feb 17th 2012
Simple. They didn't want him to get away with what he'd done. I doubt that the Rank Fs dying from the Apocalypse Virus, the people who'd seen their friends cut down and their Voids destroyed by the GHQ, and everyone else who Shu had forced into line though terror and random acts of brutality were feeling especially grateful towards him, and that's what Arisa harnessed.
SilverWings
08:19:29 PM Feb 17th 2012
edited by SilverWings
Watch someone at GHQ put them through some kind of "The Reason You Suck" Speech about how what they'd done was so predictable and foolish.

(Sorry for the multiple replies; having some weird editing issues.)
SilverWings
08:19:56 PM Feb 17th 2012
edited by SilverWings
Either that or they all get killed.
Iaculus
02:27:09 AM Feb 18th 2012
Sure, but I'm increasingly unconvinced that Shu could have helped them with the 'not getting killed' part. Especially since extracting someone's Void leaves them so massively vulnerable, and his judgement and leadership skills were degrading by the day as he slipped into paranoia and alienated his more sensible advisors.
lohyav
11:29:20 PM Feb 19th 2012
edited by lohyav
The "they had the right idea" and this kind of thing is why I think there should be a "broken base" or an "alternate character interpretation" somewhere. There is seriously a huge gap between people thinking that Shu was wrong and losing his grip and the ones thinking that the rebellion is just the students being... well, you see what I mean, and it was necessary given the situation. And there is a lot of supporters on both sides. Also, I'm not going into big discussions here because it's not the right place to do it, but the very fact that they make an huge mess of the destroyed void thing is, again, something that is interpreted quite differently from one watcher to another. And making them more vulnerable.... Please. A PILLAR was needed for the girl with a crossbow. On a battlefield, the body would be dead and destroyed far before the void, except for the weakest ones like Hare, which are not supposed to be on the front line in the first place, hence the ranking system. So once again, it being justified is really realtive. Hence why I think that there really should be some kind of indication of the different views the fans have of this part and of Shu's "evils".

Also no, you are not the only one at all. Sure, Shu wasn't nice, but being nice in this situation would have killed everyone, especially since everyone was too carefree for a post-apocalyptic situation where you are short of vaccines and surrounded. A big slap? I'm completely okay with this. What they did? No, I raged, and I know that a LOT of other people did.

Then again, from what we can see in episode 17, it was planned since a long time ago... maybe even more than when Shu screwed up. I guess that it's what happens when you put some rapists wanabee in your personal police... Ironically, almost all the ones wanting to kill him were NOT F-ranks but high-ranked ones. Souta had to tell himself many times that he was not doing anything wrong.
Kira1980
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11:30:27 AM Feb 3rd 2012
Is it just me or is there kind of a resemblance between Shu and Segai? Just thought I'd throw that out there....
SilverWings
06:04:16 AM Feb 25th 2012
On the topic of strangely similar characters, the main characters or the Lost Christmas video game look VERY similar to Shu and Inori. Case in point: Shu lookalike and Inor lookalike. (I really hope Shu wids up looking more like that guy. He his HOT!)
horothewolf
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07:34:04 PM Jan 19th 2012
I feel like a lot of people are not properly (incorrectly) interpreting some of the symbology in Guilty Crown. Voids are not a part of a person's heart or soul. In fact, it's almost the exact opposite, it's the part missing from a person's soul, like their greatest desire (hence VOID, as in the VOID in their heart). Hence Ayase's Void (her greatest desire is to stand on her own, e.g. free from her disability), Souta's Void (IIRC he mentioned something about revealing truth through camera, he's in the motion picture club, thus a camera that opens anything). Thus the King (Shu), wearing his crown (Guilty Crown) uses his subjects desires for their own good (the series punchline, using friends as weapons, &c.). However, there are different stages of "King". The first stage is where Shu pulls people's Voids and they fall unconscious, don't remember it, and don't give permission; this is the King who uses his subject's desires to manipulate them to do as he wishes. Stage 1.5 appears in episode 11, where Shu asks for permission/help from his classmates; this is the King who asks permission from his subjects, and they give it, trusting him, but it's still the King using them. Then, there's Stage 2 after episode 12, where Shu can pull Voids without dropping said person and even give it to them to use. This is the King who actively works together with his subjects and draws out the desires of his subjects (as only a King or leader can) and empowers them to use their powers THEMSELVES to WILLINGLY assist him, the King.

Inori gave herself to Shu in the very beginning, and now she still (as of ep 13) still falls unconscious when Shu pulls her. Not sure what this symbolizes yet, but I know it fits in this grand picture somewhere. Hope fellow tropers are enjoying this as much as I am. Peace.
silvercover
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11:32:30 PM Dec 15th 2011
Is anyone here going to put up the complaints of GC? Cause I think the entry in YMMV to be too short and ambiguous, and I'm not sure on how to start...
SilverWings
11:50:13 AM Dec 29th 2011
The rest of the show's animation is so spectacular. I think they need to save money where they can. The wonderful animation for the voids and the cityscapes definitely makes up for the CG robots.
SilverWings
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12:53:45 PM Dec 2nd 2011
Does anyone know when the full soundtrack will be released? With all of the full versions of the insert songs?
NinjAngel
07:39:05 PM Dec 5th 2011
The official site has the OST release as January 25th. I, for one, am stoked. I need this OST.
Deboss
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11:03:19 PM Oct 21st 2011
The page seems to have some X Just X problems.
CharredKnight
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12:22:36 AM Oct 17th 2011
Is it just me or are people forcing the whole Code Geass thing, I mean can anyone tell me how Inori is like C.C (it's not like C.C created the quiet character) or how Shu is anything like Lelouch? I mean people are trying to categorize this series in one episode. People just noticed that both series have a west rules Japan plotline, and that somehow makes the characters similar even if the anime may or may not have Code Geass cynicism and over the top tone.
EmbracingShadows
01:04:40 AM Oct 17th 2011
edited by EmbracingShadows
Although the setting and premise are at least somewhat similar, and the first episode did indeed give me Code Geass flashbacks, it's not fair to judge it by that episode alone, and I do agree that as far as tone and characters are concerned, it's clearly doing its own thing.
Iaculus
12:56:19 AM Oct 22nd 2011
Shu does get into pretty much the exact same situation as Lelouch did in the first episode of Code Geass. That's why the comparisons are made, despite them having very different personalities.
tummychow
08:33:59 PM Oct 26th 2011
part of the problem is that the anime is made by the same people as code geass and a lot of the descriptions of it made it sound kinda like code geass; at least for me i could read a lot of similarity. (to start with, japan is being occupied by some significant international power. there is a mysterious resistance attempting to subvert the grip of said power. cue sexy political warfare.) only when we started watching it, it definitely was not code geass.

as for the ways in which it was not like code geass, ymmv.
JProllz
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07:24:52 AM Oct 15th 2011
Who else thought the opening four minutes of Episode 1 were awesome?
Nobuko
08:46:14 PM Oct 15th 2011
It was absolutely spectacular, and I seldom say that about anything.
SkyeStryker
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06:10:14 PM Sep 28th 2011
Who else is excited about this anime?
R.G.
08:43:40 AM Oct 14th 2011
I am.
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