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Administrivia Permanent Red Link Club Discussion
About abbreviations, what can we do to clear the air regarding the confusion of "MW?" As far as I know, it stands for two things: Mech Warrior and Modern Warfare. Considering the fact that Modern Warfare 3 has on its cover "MW 3" and that MW was the original abbreviation for Mech Warrior 1 and 2 (in fact, the actual simulation executables were MW.exe and MW 2.exe), I just want to know if you the admins had some idea how to deal with it.
I'm only asking because I've seen a few You Tube debacles when people were bashing Mech Warrior 2 and 3 videos when they were looking for Modern Warfare.
I think we agreed not to list these pages in the PRLC. Discuss it here if you disagree.
- Main.Caligula: Technically this was cut as part of the new content policy, but is listed here as the most high-profile casualty of that policy. Though some users attempted to argue that the film had merits beyond its pornographic content, it will never be restored due to the precedent that would be set by allowing a pornographic work page to remain simply because of its notoriety.
Not having come across this page before joining the It Got Worse rename to From Bad To Worse, I left/created a number of PotHoles by leaving the original text, instead of adjusting the text to fit the new name. These may have to be addressed if it becomes annoying by inducing people to use the old phrase.
My apologies.
I noted that several of the initialism redirects don't work anymore. This should be reflected in the text.
I noticed a trope called Crowning Moment Of Horror is blank and locked, but isn't on the list. Anybody know why?
You want this place
. Also, it's always a good idea to look around the forums when you have questions.
. Also, it's always a good idea to look around the forums when you have questions.
What about Heroically Aligned Reptile? Why was that deleted?
Because of this
I've noticed Creepy Sexy isn't on this list... And yet it's been cut.
Any real reason Sweet Apple Massacre was removed? There seemed to be no trouble with it as far as I could tell.
Re the commenting-out of the "paedophilia" and "sex" pages:
As mentioned here, nothing is decided there, so please don't add anything from this category here. It's premature.
, nothing is decided there, so please don't add anything from this category here. It's premature.
Baby Got Back isn't here, it was a trope but got cut due to people only using it for Perverse Sexual Lust.
The real life section of Eldritch Abomination was recently cut. Would it qualify for the PRLC under the "no real life examples" section?
Pulling the following examples and putting them here for now:
- Scientific Progress Goes Oi: Not A Trope. Listed almost exclusively Real Life examples, and the Calvin And Hobbes-esque title likely confused certain people.
- Baby Got Back: The page had an uncomfortably drooling tone in regards to descriptions of the relevant body part, and it was eventually decided that there was not enough of an actual trope for it to be worth cleaning up the page — the whole thing amounted to "people with big butts."
- Innocent Panties: Overly creepy page about children's panties showing without sexual meaning.
- Naked Shotaro Boy: Was a listing of works which feature nude prepubescent boys. Do we even need to explain why it was cut?
- O Ring Orifice: Disgusting page about the ability of bodily orifices to stretch wide in fiction works.
OK, so something is confusing me... according to the trope page
"Pages that have been cut as of April 2011 are autolocked to prevent people from overriding the cutlist. This page is only for the ones that we don't want coming back ever. If it isn't on [the Perma-Red Link Club], you can..." yadda yadda yadda BUT...
What if a page has been cut and autolocked... but doesn't exist in the Cutlist? For example, the page Ironclad is gone and isn't on the Cutlist. And it's not the only one, just the easiest example
By Cut List I think you mean Recent Cuts. Anyway, Ironclad was cut long enough ago to have been dropped off that list. It was cut after April 2011, though, so it's locked. I see how the confusion came about, so I have moved the misleading link on this page.
. Anyway, Ironclad was cut long enough ago to have been dropped off that list. It was cut after April 2011, though, so it's locked. I see how the confusion came about, so I have moved the misleading link on this page.
Pulled from the page, because not all pages were cut. Also, I expect some discussion before putting it into the Permanent Red Link Club.
- All subpages of True Art.
Should Headscratchers.Furry Fandom be put here? I'm leaning toward, "Why even ask?", but I see no reason not to.
EDIT: Well, I put it there. By the way, is there any difference between pages like Headscratchers.Furry Fandom and Headscratchers.Yaoi Fangirl and general Headscratchers complaining pages? If not, then those two items can be removed.
Quick bit of advice, from one troper to the rest: when adding a page to the club, please remember to go through the wiki and remove any wicks to the new member. If the page was renamed, changing them to the new name will also work. If there are a lot of wicks, try asking for help in Special Efforts. Thank you.
This message has been brought to you by the time I just spent changing all of the remaining "Flaming Fruit Vendors And Angry Arabs" wicks to point to UsefulNotes.Middle East Uprising 2011.
. Thank you.
This message has been brought to you by the time I just spent changing all of the remaining "Flaming Fruit Vendors And Angry Arabs" wicks to point to UsefulNotes.Middle East Uprising 2011.
I've noticed Fangame is both red and locked, making it an entry here. Any reasoning behind this? If there was a discussion on it, I can't find it. I'm assuming it's because it's Fan Sequel, but more specific, but don't know for sure.
Did Comic Party (an anime & manga based on a Japan-Only game) become a member of this? If so, why isn't it listed? If an article for it never existed in the first place, then I'll begin as soon as I get more knowledge about it.
Uwe Boll has been a member for some time. I'm guessing his work was being bashed and that it should go under "Unsorted"; am I right?
Big Wrong is now a member of the Permanent Red Link Club. It should probably be added to this page.
Problem is, I don't know which category it should be added under.
I have a suggestion. If these pages are too controversial to keep on the main wiki, why not move them somewhere else? It's a win-win situation: they stay off the wiki, and people can still see them
Why is Korean Language part of this club?
Since Troper Tales is gone, should we remove the listings of Troper Tales considering that every single Troper Tale is now technically locked and deleted?
Isn't the Celeb Crush Troper Tales page a member of this, too? Why isn't it listed here and why is it redlinked?
Readded Abu Ghraib to the page. Noting the Flame Wars it brings, I highly doubt we want that coming back.
<s>Why is {ptitle70n0mn3c} locked and blank? Wasn't there an article on Pokemon? If this isn't it shouldn't it at least be a redirect since about a hundred pages link to it?</s>
UGH I don't even know what that page is anymore, it just appears to me as "Pokemon" and many pages link to it and it doesn't redirect for some reason.
On the page, the Lolicon thing is blue. Can someone fix that?
Shouldn't The Unfair Sex be here? It's incredibly subjective and quickly turns very very creepy in a privilege-denying-heterosexual-white-guy way. There's so much rage on there against women (or men being "unfairly" punished for violence against women) that it's become pretty disturbing.
Should Villainous Sacrifice be here? i found the page started but not edited and without index, so i made the description and was searching for an index, when i found out the page erased and locked, so i'm asking should Villainous Sacrifice be here in the section "Pages for being cut then recreated" section?.
Sorry if in the past Villainous Breakdown was instead of Villainous Sacrifice, i should have commited a terrible mistake, i'm really sorry.
Why is Bruno Mars here? Shouldn't that be sent to YKTTW instead?
I think this page should be moved to Permanent Red Link Club, since it has to do with the running of the wiki. Thoughts?
How is Did Not Do The Research not a trope?
The Troper Tales.Lolicon link is blue for some reason. Somebody fix that.
Who is this "we" so I can know who's ignoring me when I pray?
Also, just found out that Crowning Moment Of Awesome is being subtly and slowly pushed off the wiki. Tv Tropes just jumped the shark it seems :(
Why, exactly, are some of these redlinked instead of just being redirects? GAR, for example, could be a redirect to Testosterone Poisoning, Do Not Want could be redirected to Squick, et cetera.
The link to Relationship Text Upgrade became blue again after I requested a closure of the Image Pickin' Discussion. How do we change it back? Also, why was the page deleted in the first place?
"Unbirthing: A Squick fetish that you're not likely to see in non-pornographic media."
We have various tropes that only apply to pornographic works (we have an index for them even), so why is "this only happens in porn" a valid reason to cut-lock a page?
Hunh...I thought So Yeah was (by the criteria given) more of a "misuse" deletion than a "bad writing" deletion. Could just be me tho.
I have a question. What would happen if I'd like to add a work to the site which happens to have a same title as the pages in Permanent Red Link Club?
Weegee is showing up as a redlink for me, but it does exist (a redirect to Mario Is Missing). Is this intentional, or a glitch?
I mean, Weegee is a meme, and we should not spew memes in Main/, but it isn't quite at I Am Not Making This Up or This Troper levels of evil, is it?
I'd like to point out that Please Elaborate wasn't originally intended to be used at all in YKTTW; in fact, making it YKTTW-exclusive was a last-ditch effort by its supports to prevent it being deleted, towards the end of its life.
When originally floated, it was supposed to be a predefined message which someone could leave on an ambiguous example. If somebody familiar with the work in question were to later stumble across it, they would see that tag and thus rewrite the example into a better, clearer one.
As it happened, it invited well-meaning natter. That's why it was deleted, not misuse.
Other than there being no main page, is there any other reason for So Bad Its Horrible Software to be cut?
Why, exactly, does Do Not Want get a red page instead of being a redirect to Squick, given that's pretty much the only way it's used these days?
Edit: Same vein, isn't I Just Want To Be Accepted an actual trope, given that it shows up with reasonable frequency in both Heroes and Villains, admittedly generally only in shows targeted at a specific demographic?
So, does this cover all pages that are both cut and locked (Fred Durst, I Just Want To Be Accepted, Main.Fast Eddie), or just the ones that contribute to bad writing?
The whole point is to draw attention to these pages. It could be useful tool to let others know what's been cut so no more links are added while the pre-existing ones are deleted.