Administrivia Just A Face And A Caption Discussion

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03:46:47 PM Jul 12th 2012
edited by rodneyAnonymous
The article says "A Speech Balloon or other form of text-in-the-image won't save you here—if there's nothing in the visuals, it's JAFAAC."

I think this should be deleted. "Nothing in the visuals" is a problem, but it's a different problem. JAFAAC is when you wouldn't understand the image without being familiar with the work, not when there is no information in the visuals.
01:26:29 AM Jul 13th 2012
^Take it to Edit Requests For Locked Pages
09:10:26 AM Jul 13th 2012
I don't want to request it. I want to discuss it.

That is for uncontroversial changes I think.
09:13:09 AM Jul 13th 2012
^I'd say it should be merged into the previous bullet.
10:57:23 AM Jul 13th 2012
If it's wrong, why? And that bullet should maybe be deleted also.
02:24:16 AM Jul 14th 2012
Stat. It doesn't matter if it's Just A Face And A Caption or Just A Face And A Speechbubble.

Also, discussion pages don't get much traffic. Bringing up the edit in the edit requests thread is still your best chance.
02:34:33 PM Jul 14th 2012
edited by rodneyAnonymous
It does matter. That's a different problem. The article isn't about that problem. Oh I see, "it may be JAFAAC without a caption, just like it may be JAFAAC without a face." Yes, true.

It is true that captions may be disguised as something else (like speech bubbles), and also that "something can be JAFAAC without having a caption", but that isn't definitive.

Noted about traffic, will maybe propose that change when the IP thread is done.
07:46:54 PM Feb 13th 2011
Just curious: to what extent was this trope common before this page was created?
07:52:27 PM Feb 13th 2011
It was pretty common, but it was also one of my favorite parts about the site. Wanting to understand the image choice led to many enjoyable wiki walks. But then the editors here started trying to emulate That Other Wiki, making the images much less interesting and the site much less fun.
05:16:56 PM May 13th 2011
Besides, Wikipedia is full of random images that make no sense.
07:12:11 PM Jun 19th 2011
Fan Myopia is not the way to go. Period.
02:46:53 PM Dec 27th 2011
I remember laughing like mad at The Ditz just having a picture of some pink haired anime girl, knowing I'd have no chance in hell of learning who she was or why she was The Ditz.
01:14:03 PM Mar 2nd 2012
"But then the editors here started trying to emulate That Other Wiki, making the images much less interesting and the site much less fun."

So... a contextless face is fun and interesting?

(Also, how the hell is that related to Wikipedia?)
09:14:12 AM Aug 31st 2010
Do we need a sister trope for "a picture of the Trope Namer doesn't automatically illustrate the trope"? Because, say, the King of Town character doesn't illustrate the King Of Town trope, but he was the first choice for the image just because he named it. Same with The Frizzle and a bunch of other examples I can't remember because I deleted them.
07:17:54 PM Mar 17th 2011
Well, This Index Is Not an Example covers the "the Trope Namer doesn't fit the trope" part, but not the " don't use it for the trope image" part. Try Lost and Found?
02:56:08 PM Aug 18th 2010
Does anybody else find it ironic (or maybe not, can't remember) that, on a page about how images that make no sense without prior knowledge of some sort are bad, the image makes no sense without prior knowledge? (which is a delightfully meta way to illustrate the trope, but still makes no sense without a certain prior knowledge)
03:11:13 PM Aug 18th 2010
No, it works perfectly due to the caption.
04:32:29 PM Aug 18th 2010
Maybe, but I styill don't see why we can't just reveal which show the image is from. Don't Explain the Joke?
10:50:16 AM Oct 29th 2010
They do. Am I the only one who ever clicks on pictures?
12:19:42 PM Jan 15th 2011
I'd classify that less as "ironic" and more as "Self-Demonstrating Article."
12:45:47 PM Aug 3rd 2011
edited by ading
Even if you read the caption, it still takes a bit of thinking to see how it's relevant unless you know that there are people on TV Tropes who expect you to know who Haruhi Suzumiya is and why she fits certain tropes, who put her picture up as a trope image and expect people to immediately recognize why she's an example of the trope.
04:51:09 PM Nov 2nd 2011
06:30:07 PM Jun 25th 2012
Personally, I would think that Ms. Summers and just about anypony from the 4th generation would work just as well. It's just too bad we can't employ an image randomizer script here...
08:55:31 PM Jun 14th 2010
Anyone have an opinion about putting up an addendum to the description? This phrase keeps being used as shorthand for "makes no sense in relation to the trope without context", and people get confused because the description is only about names.

Alternately, we could make a sister/parent trope about images not making sense without context.
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