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openThe Definition of "Fan-Disliked Explanation" Videogame
I always under the impression that this trope was reserved for unsatisfactory explanations provided in SUBSEQUENT installments of series. However, Lusamine's past as revealed in the post-game is listed as an example. While I agree that her backstory makes her fall under "Unintentionally Unsympathetic" I'm confused if it's a true example given it was established in her debut. So is the example on that page a mistake or are we allowed to include explantations provided in the same work the question was asked? If the latter we're missing quite a few Ace Attorney cases as there are several cases (Turnabout Succession, Turnabout Ablaze, Turnabout Academy, Turnabout for Tomorrow, and Turnabout Revolution) where fans consensus seems to be the Red Herring would've been better than the actual solution.
openRalsei's character page Videogame
Characters.Deltarune Ralsei is at 24,547 bytes. According to the Character-Specific Page cleanup thread, the minimum for a character-specific page is 40,000. So I dewicked the page and sent it to the cutlist, but bowserbros, Matt R, and A 0 Z 1 E 4 R 7 undid my work and rewicked it. No edit reasons were given, even though I gave one in my edit for Characters.Deltarune The Three Heroes . . . though my reason was pretty vague and I should have made it clearer. My bad.
I was told to take it to ATT. In case the page gets cut in the crossfire, I’ve saved its contents onto a TXT file.
openOne Lonely Outpost/cut conditions Videogame
One Lonely Outpost is a page with no description about an unreleased work with four tropes. One of them (Antagonist Title) seems to be misuse, and the other three include speculation about the plot (I can't find the examples in any promotional material online).
The page was created in June by Tropers/aravol and hasn't been touched since. Aravol has no other edits on the site, so I think they're one of the game's devs or something.
I was going to fill out the cutlist form, but I don't have much experience in that area so I don't know if the page counts as "irredeemable." What's the general guideline on that?
Edited by indigoJayopenStylish Action needs a major rework and clean up, what to do? Videogame
The Stylish Action genre page has become complete anarchy. A huge lot of the examples are actually not typically considered part of the genre, they were just put there because the respective ones editing them in believe them to have deep combat systems, even though it's not just a deep combat system that defines Stylish Action and that... may count as stealth-gushing? I dunno. Anyway, for some flagrant examples of what should NOT be on that page: - Bulletstorm. The game was marketed as a game about style, that's true, but it includes litterally almost none of the actual mechanics the genre uses... sadly this tends to happen with such genre names. - Castlevania Lords of Shadow is NOT a Stylish Action game, as someone who played it. It is a normal Hack and Slash game, and it contains many, many elements that go aganist the Stylish Action genre philosophy while omitting many elements that would be there if it was part of that. - Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal... now this is just gratuitous glorifying. There is NOTHING in either of those games that has anything to do with the Stylish Action genre. - For the longest time, God of War was considered the comparable test for what was NOT a Stylish Action game. Make of that what you will, personally I cannot judge as I have never played it.
And these are just the FIRST FEW obvious ones. The list goes on for long and absurd genre attributions are aplenty still. Note that I do not have anything at all aganist games that I believe shouldn't be considered Stylish Action, I simply believe that: they shouldn't be considered Stylish Action.
But I don't quite know where to begin.
Edited by Dylan_Dogopen Total War Warhammer Edit War Brewing Videogame
Noticed some people modifying the Total War: Warhammer - The Daemons of Chaos to exclude some stuff from the tabletop, before someone else edited the removed parts back in. The situation mostly seems resolved, but could someone else who better understands the rules regarding upcoming works give it a once over and see if there is anything else to be fixed?
Edited by Flameal15kopenStrangely organized page Videogame
Achron has its tropes split into several folders based on different aspects of the game. that's not how folders are supposed to be used, right?
page could use a cleanup, either way.
openFandomSpecificPlot or MemeticMutation? Videogame
For the purpose of avoiding an Edit War, I'd like to get some kind of consensus about the Deltarune Salt Route and which page it better belongs on. To give some brief context, the Salt Route is an idea based off a dream a fan had about the game and shared to Tumblr about the Breakout Character Spamton, which has since spun out into a popular collaborate fan AU with its own evolving storyline elements, fanart, and headcanons. Currently, we have two similar entries for the Salt Route on separate pages, one on the YMMV page under Fandom-Specific Plot, and one under the Memes page.
Personally I'm of the opinion that the Salt Route, being a proper fan narrative with its own set of storytelling tropes, fits better under the former. Matt R contests my deletion of it from the page latter with the justification that something similar happened with "Prunsel" for Undertale (a fan character who also came from a dream). However, I'd argue that they're not quite the same, as Prunsel is a fan character, and most content of Prunsel I've come across is one-offs which are more likely to parody the game's tendency for Fandom-Specific Plot and Recurring Fanon Character than to be one in earnest. Hence, despite both being ideas from dreams who then became popular with the fandom, Prunsel's fan manifestation is closer to the conventional concept of a meme than the Salt Route AU, which I'd describe as closer to a collaborate fanfiction universe in nature. Also, the page description for Fandom-Specific Plot does acknowledge its relationship with Memetic Mutation while being distinct from it.
Regardless of what tropers decide, I think we need to pick a single page to put it on and keep it there, for the sake of avoiding redundancy through pointless splitting. Or, if we're going to have both, then at least make it so the duplicate entry on Deltarune is not quite so long and excessively verbose.
Edited by AlleyOopopenProfessor Moody Hoax (Dragalia Lost) Videogame
Recently, in the mobile game "Dragalia Lost", who we believed to be the character "Harle" for the entire game's run turned out to NOT be Harle, but a demon named Loki who took on his appearance. Not only that, we learned that Loki had banished the real Harle to the other-world.
Isn't that similar to what happened to Alastor Moody in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire? Moody was taken by a Death Eater and imprisoned, while said Death Eater impersonated Moody.
Which is what I have come to refer to as the "Professor Moody Hoax", a variant of the "Scooby-Doo Hoax".
openMinecraft cleanup Videogame
I want to start a Minecraft cleanup, but as I have never started a work cleanup before, I am not exactly sure what to do.
Edited by DelibirdaopenEdit to the 'Pacifist Run' Page Videogame
Hi. I'm new here, and while I just created an account today, I've been regularly frequenting this site for some time. The other day I noticed that 'Pacifist Run' was a featured trope article, and as someone who loves pacifist and technical pacifist playthroughs, I was quite intrigued.
Under the RPG section of the page, I didn't see The Outer Worlds being mentioned as a game that allows for a pacifist playthrough, though I recently completed the game without killing a single person. The game doesn't actually have a nonlethal mechanic that allows players to knock out enemies, and while it is much more challenging to avoid killing any aliens or robots, I can confirm that you can complete the game and its DL Cs without directly killing a single person. Because of that, should The Outer Worlds be included under the article's RPG umbrella?
Edited by lndn95openDifficult troper and help fixing an example Videogame
I'm having a bit of an issue with the Tales of Arise example on LethalChef.Video Games, as well as the troper who added it. On October 5, user Peppermint Twist added an example that started with, "Tales of Arise lacks a true lethal chef." Obviously, I deleted this as Examples Are Not Arguable, leaving an edit reason. The very next day, Peppermint Twist added a re-worded version of the same example, this time at least avoiding explicitly stating that it wasn't an example. However, the example was still incredibly disjointed, talking about how the game broke from the series formula of always having lethal chefs, except that these two characters are emphatically lethal chefs, except that they aren't because they're actually good at cooking. Note that this wasn't an accidental re-add, as they felt the need to argue their point in the edit reason.
At this point, I pmed Peppermint Twist. Based on what they wrote, at least one character might actually be a lethal chef, and I wanted to work with them to make the example into something workable. After an extended conversation (In which I admit I was not as clear as I could have been at the beginning), they refused to work with me, standing by the example as written.
Anyway, the most important thing right now is the example. I have no familiarity with the game. Can anyone who has played it help me determine which characters are lethal chefs and write a coherent example?
Edited by CompletelyNormalGuyopenShe's back again, and about time too... Videogame
Did I say 9th? I meant 10th.
This edit by emillie45 on VideoGame.Mario Kart 8 looks distressingly similar to this earlier edit by a serial ban evader, and once more, the names line up all too well.
They also don't know the proper place to put tropes, or how to wick them correctly.
Edited by MegaMarioManopenDeltarune and Kris' Gender Videogame
In the time since Chapter 2 of Deltarune released, a recurring argument among fans that's bled into this wiki is the gender identity of the game's main character, Kris. Kris is consistently referred to with "they/them" pronouns in-game, even by people who've known them for a lifetime. However, because Kris' gender identity is never openly stated on-screen, it's led to a fair bit of arguing over how to refer to them in these terms (given that "they/them" can signify both Gender Neutral Writing and identifying as nonbinary), some of which has affected the way the game's pages are edited. For instance, a Fandom-Enraging Misconception point on YMMV.Deltarune about describing Kris as "a blank slate to project onto" was deleted, re-added, and re-deleted specifically because of the lack of explicit gender identity confirmation. Similarly, a point about Kris on Characters.Deltarune The Three Heroes was changed from Ambiguous Gender Identity to Ambiguous Gender with the edit reason calling the former "blatant misinformation."
This isn't for the sake of pushing a headcanon onto the site, but the fact that the matter has led to such arguments and even a borderline edit war makes it worth bringing up in search of a solution. Given this, for the sake of preventing any similar spats by having a directly linkable consensus to use if/when necessary, how should the wiki approach the matter of Kris' gender? The game still being in-development means that it can't be filed under Alternative Character Interpretation just yet (assuming Toby Fox doesn't openly give an answer one way or the other), but for now, would it be better to treat Kris as a standard case of Ambiguous Gender on the wiki, refer to them as "implied to be nonbinary" (given that characters Kris has known for ages refers to them with "they/them" pronouns), or Take a Third Option to the issue?
(In regards to the Fandom-Enraging Misconception point, I do think it's valid and can be rewritten given that the "blank slate" misconception's issues extend to aspects outside of Kris' gender, but that's just one part of a greater matter.)
Edited by bowserbrosopenFNF Minus Videogame
So, I want to add this to the character page of FNF Minus:
- Ambiguous Situation: Mean's jacket goes down to about his knees, and he is never shown in an angle where the bottom of the jacket is visible. Which begs the question: is he wearing pants or not?
Is this fitting, or should I change the trope in question?
EDIT: I'm not adding it in now.
Edited by RabbitTopeBallopenTier Induced Scrappy Videogame
I had a small chat with other troper regarding this trope and we both realised something: that we aren't sure if this trope is characters-only, or can be applied to gear, weapons (yes, we are aware about Scrappy Weapon trope, that was part of our discussion) and other gameplay elements that might fall under TIS. Assuming, of course, that it's not a character only trope.
So... is it? Or is it a general purpose?
openWoolooShepherdG-00 vs. Luigi Videogame
Quite possibly the oddest thing I've reported on, but...
WoolooShepherdG-00 seems to be editing on a "Death didn't rip Luigi's soul out of his body" agenda (in reference to an event that happened in Simon and Richter's joint reveal trailer for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate).
Also for some reason they removed two of Luigi's aliases on Pantheon.Unpopularity so I have no clue if he's for or against Luigi ¯_(ツ)_/¯
open[Resolved] Heroes of Might&Magic merge? Videogame
(Really should have used AAT before the forum, didn't think well)
In short, any good reason why Heroes of Might and Magic and Heroes of Might and Magic Ashan are on separate pages? They are the same series (Ashan is not a subseries), it creates a mess, and the latter doesn't have a lot wicks or examples for it anyway. Should we move Heroes of Might and Magic Ashan's examples to Heroes of Might and Magic and cut it?
Edited by AmonimusopenShould Sonic P-06 get its own page here at TV Tropes? Videogame
Sonic P-06 is a Fan Remake of the notorious Sonic game, Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). It's done by ChaosX and works to actually make the game playable. The game has been popular because of the improvements. As of this month, there has been four demos and the latest features Shadow and all of his stages.
Edited by FoxABeeNeeOwnYesopenZCEs after notifier Videogame
I've noticed Kawaiineko333 has been adding ZC Es (of the "is this" or "does this" variety) in various pages for Dragalia Lost and possibly other pages. I sent a notifier and corrected one, but they did the exact same thing again.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy
I know that the Five Nights At Freddy’s Security Breach trope page was cut for being a stub. Since we have some more info about the game (including teasers and stuff that would act as PRIME nightmare fuel) would it be okay if I made the page again? I don’t wanna do anything rash, so I came here to ask for permission,
Edited by cyboy