• 1 Jan 19th, 2017 at 8:08AM
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    Any particular reason for Quino using the ComicStrip/ namespace rather than Creator/? It's clearly a creator page. Sure, it mainly tropes his works, but that's nothing new for creator pages. Reply

      It should be moved.
  • 2 Nov 29th, 2016 at 12:12AM
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    On 23rd November 2016 a troper called Wuz removed all comic details on the main Manhua page, including the Chinese language titles of the publications, leaving nothing but a list of their English titles. This was done with the edit reason: "We can save the descriptions for the individual pages; this page is just for indexing."

    According to a PM exchange with Wuz, this was done without any discussion, so is this OK? Personally, I think the original Chinese-language titles should be retained, even if the description is regarded as undesirable. Reply

      I'm not sure... but there should be some consistency in our foreign-language indexes. All of the indexes below should either have the original language next to the page link, or not include the original language (list is not exhaustive):

      I think a vote in wiki talk would be proper.Should Media by nationality indexes use the untranslated name next to the page name?

      Y'know, it's much easier to process such a query when you actually link to the page in question. I don't think there is a reason to remove the original language titles, they can be useful for identifying the work.
  • 1 Nov 19th, 2016 at 7:07PM
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    In Batman Supporting Cast, the trope Butch Lesbian was removed from Harper Row/Bluebird's folder for some reason. The trope accurately describes the character (canonically lesbian, has masculine traits and appearance, etc), so I feel it should stay in her folder. Reply

      PM the troper who removed it and ask them to give their reasonings here. Or to take it to the discussion page. Best way to resolve it.
  • 10 Oct 19th, 2016 at 1:01PM
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    Request to move the page of Gentleman Ghost, a minor Dc character with few tropes, to Jsa characters page. Reply

      You know, I'd actually really like to have this discussion... what's the threshold for making a Comic Book/ page for a character? I realize that Comic Book characters are fairly unique since they're so often not tied to a single title, or even a single universe. In this particular case I would be inclined to leave him on his own page, since he's got a bit of Rogues-Gallery Transplant going on (not to mention that in recent years he's best known as a Batman villain thanks to the Brave and the Bold cartoon).

      Aside from the cartoon (is a comic book relative page), he appear just against Jsa and hawkman sometimes. It is not even a major villain. It is like make a page for B-list villain like Electro or Shocker.

      I personally think that characters should have at least one solo book for a page.

      As I unerstand, Rule of Three is all that's needed to make a subpage: Three fleshed-out tropes. And Gentleman Ghost has been around more then long enough to accumulate those.

      I also think this is where There Is No Such Thing as Notability comes into play.

      My sense is that you actually want to have a franchise-defining character or something very common to make a page about a character. Not merely having a few works to one's name, let alone a few tropes.

      Exactly. There are other examples like Lana Lang that has a personal page when she is totally a minor character in Superman universe. Lois Lane? Ok. Jimmy Olsen? Uhm..o-ok. But why Lana?

      It sounds like a discussion might be needed on TRS or Wiki Talk about the Comic Book/ namespace then

      Seconded. Seems like a Wiki Talk topic, as there just plain isn't a rule one way or the other.

      Ok. Someone can open a thread in Wiki talk? My english is not sufficient good to explain all the situation.

  • 3 Oct 20th, 2016 at 10:10PM
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    The comics folder on the First Law of Resurrection page has the following two examples

    • Jean Grey wasn't actually meant to die at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga (as stated by Claremont and others), and it was the intention from the beginning to bring her back, just not as a super hero who committed genocide. She has yet to return only because Joe Quesada demanded her death and enforced a "dead means dead" policy concerning her, out of his "characters are 'more interesting' without their Love Interest" beliefs. They got around this by eventually bringing in a teenage, time-displaced Jean in All-New X-Men.
    • Jean is remembered as doing this more than she actually has; the Never Live It Down trope was originally named for her. She died at the end of The Dark Phoenix Saga, returned at the beginning of X-Factor, and was an A-list X-Man for decades until a certain cheesy quesadilla decided she had to die to make Cyclops "more interesting." The current comics version of Jean is a younger one from the past. Exactly where the idea that she dies over and over and over comes from isn't quite clear; it could be the various adaptations of the ending of the Phoenix saganote , or it could be the fact that hosts not staying dead is an official power of the Phoenix, so she has to have used it a bunch, right, right? But actually, she hasn't.

    while the 2nd one goes into detail about how many times Jean "Phoenix" Grey has actually been brought back from the dead, the first part of it covers the exact same thing as the preceding example, which explains her death at the end of the dark Phoenix saga, Joe Quesada wanting her gone for reasons and that a time-displaced version was used to circumvent that dessication (the only difference being Jean's appearance in X-Factor)

    I'm debating with myself what do to do with these entries. The first bullet could be cur or merged with the 2nd, but I feel like that the 2nd example is might have natter problems. Reply

      This maybe.
      • Though Jean Gray is often thought to have died and come back multiple times (possibly the result of adaptations of the original story), the ''orginal Jean Gray died and stayed dead. Jean Grey wasn't actually meant to die at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga (as stated by Claremont and others), and it was the intention from the beginning to bring her back, just not as a super hero who committed genocide. She has yet to return only because Joe Quesada demanded her death and enforced a "dead means dead" policy concerning her, out of his "characters are 'more interesting' without their Love Interest" beliefs. They got around this by eventually bringing in a teenage, time-displaced Jean in All-New X-Men.

      That gets rid of most of the natter, I think.

      Also, while I'm no defender of Joe Quesada, considering that this isn't a YMMV page the example could definitely stand to lose some of the editorializing about him.

      Okay I added the first part of the proposed edit, cut the redundant example and cut the part mentioning Joe Quesada
  • 1 Oct 18th, 2016 at 2:02PM
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    Is it okay to make a page for Caligula the comic? It's graphic and violent but it does actually have a compelling story and the violence isn't glamorized. Reply

      I don't think that violence is a disqualifier for a page.

      That being said, there is already a video game page and a character page for a game called Caligula, so I think we'd have to differentiate those.
  • 3 Sep 28th, 2016 at 5:05AM
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    Hey, I'm looking for a page for the 2014 and new run 2016 comics of Deathstroke and all I find is this.


      Do any of the New 52 runs have separate pages?

      Wait. There's only 1 page? That's very confusing for those who read only one series out of an entire continuity.

      It's generally not really worth making pages for different main runs of the same character, especially with the same (or a similar enough) title. Most people would be interested in the page containing info about all of the character's runs as a whole, without needing to go through, say, Aquaman 1989 run, Aquaman 1995 run. Aquaman 1999 run, Aquaman 2005 run and so on. Pages are usually made for significant storylines instead, like Knightfall or The Death of Superman, and for books that are different enough from other main runs with the same title, like with the different Batgirl comics.

      If you have enough unique tropes to justify it having its own page, you can make one with no worries, but I personally don't think Deathstroke needs separate pages for all of his runs. It might be better to do what they did with the Blue Beetle page, and just separate the tropes with an "In General" folder, followed by folders with different runs.
  • 3 Sep 23rd, 2016 at 9:09AM
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    From Trivia.Black Panther:
    • Executive Meddling: Highly possible for the recent lead change in the latest Black Panther volume...

    This sounds like an Examples Are Not Recent violation that would plague a nightmare: It sounds so vague, it provides no clues at all to when it was written. Anyone here have any idea who it refers to? If no one has any idea, should I just delete it?

  • 1 Sep 8th, 2016 at 4:04AM
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    So I noticed this graphic novel, Jax Epoch, (http://jaxepoch.com/), doesn't have it's own works page. I already have my tropes, but never created a works page. How do I create a works page? Reply
  • 2 Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:01PM
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    is there any reason why, say, Awesome.Marvel Comics is in one section, but NIghtmareFuel.Marvel Universe is another section? They even have two separate Funny pages! Funny.Marvel Comics and Funny.Marvel Universe. Reply

      The list at Funny.Marvel Comics implicitly shows why: not every comic book published by Marvel is set within the Marvel Universe.

      Aah, that makes sense. Thanks! :)
  • 1 Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:07PM
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    Hey there! We recently successfully launched Variant Cover. I added it to some of the most obvious index choices but now I'm trying to be as thorough as possible and want to know if there's some others it could/should be in? My first thought for instance is that, particularly as Variant Cover as an article discusses in its introduction some of general different kinds of covers you might commonly find as Variants - such as parody covers, Deliberately Monochrome "sketch/pen and ink" style, and deliberately-left-mostly-blank (It Makes Sense in Context - read the article for more information), it might be a good fit for the Photography and Illustration index? Or is it fine where it is, since it's been indexed to "Cover Tropes" and "Comic Book Tropes" and a couple of other, like I said, really obvious ones on that front?


    ETA: nevermind on Graphical Tropes, as I just noticed that BOTH Cover Tropes AND Comic Book Tropes are among its sub-index list and it explicitly says to only put tropes on the sub-index in those cases. I would still like to hear if anyone thinks it's suitable for another index though! :) Reply
  • 1 Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:05PM
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    There was a scifi comic like, 5 years back. There was a female lead who always wore a bubble helmet and I remember at least 3 issues. The thing that stands out is in the second or third issue there was a robot body that had George W Bush's head in a jar on top. Really want to figure out what this is. Reply
  • 2 Aug 4th, 2016 at 10:10PM
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    Okay, so, while by necessity discussing the ridiculously confusing labeling of the covers of the Green Lanterns series it became necessary to reference the fact that part of the problem is that with fans knowing that there are Variant Covers for the issues in this comic event, it's even harder for them to automatically notice that there's more than one issue that is a different chapter of the story but numbered the same and named/labeled so closely as to be easily confused with another one (yes, I know it's confusing when tldr'd. I think I managed to give an accurate enough summation on the page itself if you need clarification on what the heck I'm talking about, though. That part doesn't really matter though, because...).

    Thing is, I assumed (though yes as always I would have double-checked my link to make sure) that Variant Cover would lead to a page describing the trope. But...nope, it's a red link. "Perhaps it has an article, but just under a different name" I figured, so I searched and...

    ...surprisingly, there are a LOT of uses of the term "variant cover", in the correct context, all over the site. A notable example being The Great Comics Crash of 1996 which explains the logic behind the practice. What there apparently isn't, though, is an actual article telling you what it is...?

    For those less familiar with publishing industries, particularly comic book publishing, where the practice is currently still very common, a Variant Cover is:

    An alternate cover option - not an alternate edition that happens to have a different cover to differentiate it, that is, but in fact a "collectible", internally identical, alternate version of the same issue/book produced at the same time, but simply with a different cover. The idea being the actual comic book issue (again, usually it is comic books where you see this) is exactly the same on the inside but it has the option of an alternate and often rarer or more exclusive cover, usually with primary art done by a different artist than the "main" cover. Sub-types of Variant Cover include: a normal full-color cover that just happens to differ from the original "main" cover (often done by a different artist, who may or may not specialize in cover art); "sketch" or black and white covers meant to show the original pencils or ink drawing instead of a full-color version of the drawing; comedic/parody covers like the series of covers Marvel did with Deadpool; event-exclusive V Cs like for San Diego Comic Con; and even mostly-blank covers, where there's only the important logos and basic information like price and issue number (these are intended for bringing to artists at events like conventions and book signings, where they can sign or sketch on the front for you)

    The practice became particularly popular in the early-mid 1990s Western comic book publishing industry as a way to boost sales among obsessive collectors, but it's still very common in the West today; so common in fact, that DC recently reassured readers kind of sick of the practice that there would be only "one variant cover each" for any given issue in the DC Rebirth relaunch! But it's not just DC that does it, or even just DC and Marvel: some "indie" publishers do as well, as well as prominent but non-Big Two companies, such as Dark Horse (I know for a fact that the Buffy Season 8 and 9 comics had V Cs for instance).

    Again, there are a LOT of examples (like, literally everything DC is putting out right now, probably literally everything Marvel is putting out, at least a few LONG-running Dark Horse titles, etc), to the extent even that I might suggest using it as an explanatory-only article that notes you can link the trope from the individual work's page - but I definitely think the practice is specific enough, distinctive enough from simply "different edition/different cover", and widespread enough, to deserve an article to explain it to those not familiar with the practice?

    Given all that, I'd like to know if there's ANY good reason why there is NOT already such an article, aside possibly from the fact that nobody's thought to/bothered to make one yet? I don't want, after all, to start an article that might not exist for a reason, but I can't imagine a reason why it shouldn't? Reply
  • 3 Jul 28th, 2016 at 1:01AM
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    Guh, I'm so tired my eyes are swimming and I need to get some sleep, but Green Lanterns (covering the DC Rebirth series of that name) is up and running, with at least a proper description, a number of its tropes cataloged (by no means all, but hey, it's a Wiki and we can always add the rest later)...and, I am proud to say, no red links! I'll happily add a page image tomorrow when I'm conscious again and online, and probably a quote as well, since I have all three issues and can pick from those pretty easily (there's some good ones, particularly in the opening one-shot).

    However, I will say this: this is the first time I've created a whole new page for a work and I have no idea how index it. For some reason (this is my clue to go to sleep) I cannot even make sense of the How Indexing Works thing, so I figured I'd leave a note here to draw attention to the fact that the page needs proper indexing, since I'll be offline for a number of hours (possibly most of tomorrow)?


      Holy crap that happened fast. I refreshed because I forgot to add a really obvious trope, and BOOM, indexed already! THANKS! You guys are the best! :D

      In the future, it's best to index the pages you make yourself. Not indexing pages you make can get you suspended.

      Ah! I didn't know that or I might have held off until I knew better/could comprehend better how indexing worked. I'm glad that instead, it was fixed and I was informed of the policy. Thanks for letting me know Nerf Guy! :)
  • 6 Jul 15th, 2016 at 5:05PM
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    Due to how, nowadays, It Was His Sled, I suggest the following edit to the Captain America YMMV page:

    Signature Scene: The most (in)famous part of the 2016 reboot is the plot twist of the first issue of the Steve Rogers run; two words, Hail Hydra. Reply
  • 3 Jun 29th, 2016 at 7:07AM
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    With I feel good reason the Captain America page was locked because of that controversial reveal. However the second issue came out yesterday and they more or less immediately backtracked on it . So should it still be locked? Reply

      As the one who originally requested it (which isn't worth much) I'm cool with it being unlocked now, as long as we keep a close eye out.

      You can request the unlock in this thread.

      It has already been requested. The recommendation is to wait a month.
  • 2 Jun 29th, 2016 at 9:09AM
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    It seems like somebody who was upset at the removal of Wall Bangers created this page to try and get around it. There's also a couple of sub-pages.

    The strange thing is that a moderator saw this page and only did some namespace corrections without noticing that the page should probably not exist. Reply

      They've complained before about removed content. I banned the user and cut and locked all of the pages I could identify.

      ^^That's far too easy to do if you have a bunch of tabs open and are opening, editing, and saving one after the other.
  • 2 May 28th, 2016 at 5:05AM
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    why do some cartoon characters walk around with their eyes closed? Snuffy Smith did it, and others, The raccoon on "Over the Hedge" did it today. Usually cartoon animals. It only happens occasionally. Reply

      Eyes Always Shut, you say?

      v Please read questions before making assumptions. Same to you mod.

      if you're asking if it's a trope, use Trope Finder. If you're just commenting on it, you'd be better off posting in the Western Animation forum.

      ^just point them to Trope Finder, answering here means people will continue to ask here. ^ rewarding bad behaviour results in more bad behaviour. It's clearly a Trope Finder question, and you need to learn not to argue over this with the moderators.
  • 2 May 26th, 2016 at 9:09PM
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    I was looking at the The Joker page and I noticed that the entire thing is writing in the Joker's voice like a Self Demonstrating page. Is it because the main page for the Joker and his Self Demonstrating page share the same YMMV page? Reply

      That could be it. Self Demonstrating is supposed to be its own unique thing, though, a Just For Fun thing and all. That said, that's how namespaces work. That said, the YMMV page should be written like a normal page anyway.

      I thought as much. Maybe someone can go and clean the page. I am not a big enough fan of the Joker to sort all that mess out.
  • 3 May 2nd, 2016 at 8:08AM
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    I was curious... would Deadpool and his two voices (White Box, Yellow Box) count as a Freudian Trio, counting 'pool as a separate, distinct personality in the "conversations" and "arguments" he usually gets involved with them? And, if so, what roles of the Freudian Trio would 'pool and each of his voices fulfil? Reply

      That sounds absurd, frankly, except maybe as a Parodied Trope variant.

      I honestly think Deadpool and his boxes are probably trying to parody the Freudian Idea of the Id, Ego and Superego (after all, they were meant to be subconscious cues or actual voices you listened to.) So I think Parodied Trope would fit here. The violent side that's rash and jumps in is the Id, whereas the Superego is the logical more analytic side, Ego is in the middle. Kirk (ego), Spock (superego) and Bones (Id) are given as prime examples of the trope.

      edited for spelling mistake.

      ^ What he said. I especially noticed it in the game. White is pretty superego, yellow is... off the walls, and Deadpool is... Deadpool.
  • 2 Apr 24th, 2016 at 12:12PM
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    Shatterstar deleted a bunch of examples on Afterlife With Archie for no stated reason. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=ComicBook.AfterlifewithArchie Reply

      Pichu-kun did that, and it looks like he moved most of the examples he removed to the character page.

      I'll remind them to use edit reasons when moving. It's best to do it on both pages.

      EDIT: NVM, he did it in January. I'm not going to chase it up if it was just a move to characters.
  • 5 Mar 30th, 2016 at 7:07PM
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    The Injustice: Gods Among Us page was originally cut for being a stub, but now that the series is drawing to a close, it seems like a reasonable time to split the video game page and remake this one. The current comic page suggested to bring the issue here before continuing, so... here it is. Is this page okay to recreate? What exactly would I need to do or avoid to prevent the page from getting cut again?

    Thanks! Reply

      Write a full description of the work and have at least three tropes (which shouldn't be a problem if you're splitting off from an existing page). That's really all. Of course, more is better.

      Thanks. I'll get it started right now.

      No problem. More details are at How to Create a Works Page. Also, if you want to draft it without fear that an incomplete page will be cut again, you can use the Sandbox namespace. Sandbox.Injustice Gods Among Us would need to be cut once you're done with it, or you can use Sandbox.caivu as a permanent workspace. Then copy-paste your draft back into the ComicBook namespace when it's ready.

      It's now made and fleshed out to a decent degree for a start. Indexed and crosswicked a bit, should be okay.

      Yep, looks good. Canon Foreigner needs context, but nice job overall.
  • 2 Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:10PM
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    I don;t know if it me or if the sight, but the title on Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic IDW Issue 38 To 39 shows 8 in the URL and 0 on top of the Page Reply

      I'm getting that, too. Could it be that the custom title was input wrong?

      Someone made a typo in the custom title. Resubmitted.
  • 7 Mar 23rd, 2016 at 9:09AM
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    I have seen the 'Creators Pet' trope on many YMMV pages concerning comic characters (Wolverine or Luke Cage for example). Now I wanted to apply it to another page (Captain America in this case) but another troper deleted it, claiming it can only apply to universally hated characters. In that case, pretty much any listing on character pages could be deleted too, since Wolverine (to take the obvious example) is far from universally hated and has a pretty large fandom too. I've always felt like in the comic scene, this is a very strong case of Depending on the Writer, and maybe my write-up wasn't clear enough. I'd like to have permission to put it back up, reformulated. Reply

      In the case of Wolverine, his Creator's Pet entry has already been cut for misuse.

      I don't know enough about comic books to be helpful otherwise.

      We have a dedicated forum topic for Creator's Pet cleanup. In a nutshell, it has to fit all four criteria: it must be The Scrappy, it must be a Creator's Favorite, it must have undue Character Focus, and it must be the recipient of Character Shilling in-universe.

      I will say this.

      First, it is true that Creator's Pet status depends a lot on the writer, insofar as different writers will apply different levels of Character Shilling and Character Focus to the character.

      That said, being The Scrappy is still a requirement, and that means that, yes, the character must be nigh-universally hated. That doesn't apply to Captain America. It doesn't really apply to Wolverine or Luke Cage either, so I'm not sure why it's on those pages.

      Personal opinion + shoehorning tends to be the reason in cases like that.

      I guess Character Shilling will do the thing, thank you, I will try to fix Creator's Pet from now on.

      Creator's Favorite sometimes applies too.

      Honestly, I think part of the problem is that Creator's Pet doesn't sound negative enough. From the name, I'd think it's "This character gets preferential treatment from the creator" which might be a valid trope (overlapping, but not identical to, Creator's Favorite).

      Colloquially, I'd find it hard to say that Luke Cake isn't Bendis' pet character, so he's a creator's pet character, but he's definitely not a Creator's Pet.
  • 4 Mar 13th, 2016 at 7:07AM
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    Hello, I'm a long time lurker here and on a whim after seeing the new deadpool movie i checked out the page and to my horror it has been replaced with unreadable gibberish of a "self demonstration page". Well fine I thought I will work my way to the main page only to have it redirect me every time no matter the link used. This is starting to really grate me that some fans are forcing their jokes on others by replacing things with SD material. But when I tried to find a way to reach the main page I noticed a couple mods and others mentioning that there was no main page ever made. Now of course that last time I looked at the deadpool page was awhile ago sure but it absolutely wasn't after this SD nonsense. And I was right, using the wayback machine to early 2010 there is a well made main page for deadpool with absolutely no self demonstrating. Now I'm wondering why people are trying to insist this page never existed and that the deadpool page was always self demonstrating even to the point mods will say it but the old main page apparently got canned sometime in 2010 in favor of self demonstrating article and seems to have never been changed back. The old page can be found on March 4, 2010 for the main page of deadpool. Reply

      'cause we can't find a non-self demo version. If as you say there is one you could edit ComicBook.Deadpool to contain said version.

      Did you go to the film page? Deadpool

      Would it be acceptable to add a note at the top of SD page to direct to the movie version? I know the film tag is up there in the banner, but a little redundancy couldn't hurt surely? Just: "If you are looking for the 2016 movie, then you want to go here: Deadpool".


      It's right here, also checked the movie page but thats specific to the movie, the 2010 page are tropes relating entirely to the comics and few appearances on other shows

      I'd probably turn Deadpool into a disambiguation.