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After the dialogue with the user, I begin to get the impression that he perceives the trope on YMMV as a kind of "fact" and not a subjective opinion of someone, so he removes my example as "incorrect" only on the grounds that he does not agree with this . I may be wrong, but this is my opinion, becouse he perceived example as "my complaint".
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You're confusing facts for misuse. You can misuse a YMMV trope, which is why I deleted that paragraph.
Yeah, YMMV items still have concrete definitions that need to be met. The cut bullet was absolutely misuse.
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I could agree with this if I got enough reasoning. But as a result, I received only accusation that it is "your complaints", and that "you are mistaken", without any words on the merits. Therefore, I only have to conclude that you delete this example either for personal reasons, or because of the lack of understanding, how YMMV works. Especially in the context of the fact that you know the opinion of part of the audience about the finale.
What was wrong there? Some fans believe that the pairing originated from nowhere? Yes. Ass Pull is subjective and refers to the fact that the author uses the twist of the plot out of nowhere? Yes. What's wrong?
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Taking a look at what you posted and what was altered, I would say that Rogue Penguin was in the right. Ass Pull can be considered subjective based on what an audience's viewpoint is, but you can't twist actual "facts" with subjectiveness - and the facts are that the two had several interactions together that hinted at something that was eventually confirmed. Those scenes, by themselves, do not necessarily mean anything, but when tied together by the confirmation in the end, become something more.
Korra x Asami isn't an Ass Pull by any stretch of the term.
You just wasted time reading a meaningless signature.
Let me guess: You, too, will not be able to list those "hints" that talked about this? Given the irony that almost all of them are Les Yay, against which you are speaking below. Why did the authors need Word of God to resolve the disputes? Why, even on the article itself, it is written that it was too thin and strangled with a red string? You contradict yourself.
Not to mention that this is again a translation of the issue into a dispute about opinions, not a dispute about tropes. And even if problem only in the tropes itself, why has no one suggested or discussed its rewriting under another trope?
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"Given the irony that almost all of them are Les Yay, against which you are speaking below."
Excuse me for not equating something like "Asami telling Korra that losing her would be like losing her father" to "Ueno tried using a ring that she got from a friend to prank her other friends".
You just wasted time reading a meaningless signature.
Your example reminded me of a conversation with one user who said a rather interesting idea, namely "deep female friendship is not necessarily equivalent to lesbian romantic feelings." Not to mention the fact that the perception of this phrase is highly distorted by the subsequent Bi The Way finale, as the page itself says. And I'm even silent about the fact that you continue to refer to your opinion as an obvious axiom, demanding that I contest your opinion as a fact.
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I'm not a mod so I don't have a lot of authority, but I think it's safe to say that you two need to calm down.
This going back and forth seems to have accomplished basically nothing.
"Come on! Let's get this show on the road."
This is too long for ATT anyway, and really more suited to the page's discussion.
Ditto your other topic.
Take it to discussion. If there's no consensus or edit-warring that goes against the consensus, bring it up here.
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^ My apologies. Was typing this before the responses were put.
A while back we had an issue about this in regards to the whole "Martha" scene from Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. It was decided that, as much of an Ass Pull as it seemed, the movie did establish that they both had the name Martha, and that Superman loved his mom, and that Batman loved his mom. Was it bad writing? For me yes, but the refrences and name-drops were enough to be deduced to not be an Ass Pull, so lets operate on this logic; if something is referenced, implied, or even hinted at, it cannot be an Ass Pull.
In this case, there were small hints and inferences that there was a Ship Tease going on, one that semi-started in Season 3. Based on precedent, it isn't an Ass Pull. I'm not even including opinions in my argument, this is how we handled a similar situation. It might seem like it came out of no where, but that is more subjective then fact.
Edited by keyblade333 Muramasa got.
I just see a second or third time when my example is removed because of the subjective "this opinion is not correct," after which I have to prove to the emptiness, that YMMV is subjective, even if you do not agree. And this despite the fact that my opponent is aware of the matter and apparently deliberately ignores my requests for arguments on his part.
I can always go to the consensus if I see a reasoned response. But when in response only ignore under any pretext, it looks like a mockery and a dirty game.
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Little Buster is now edit warring on the linked page, restoring a Broken Base entry which is redundant with the entry already in that section (and improperly alphabetized at that).
It was a misunderstanding because the user first told me that "you put an example in the wrong section," and then deleted it, but did not transfer it, as if provoking me a war of edits. Secondly, the page is now edited by the user, which means that he decided to combine the examples.
Not to mention that it is rather strange to see that you disappeared from the dialogue, but immediately appear instantly, when I can be reproached with something.
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Quote, "And Broken Base is already there." His edit reason is quite clear. Also, "Well, let's check your neutrality" demonstrates a clear lack of good faith.
It's difficult for me to keep everything in mind, in such an aggressive environment, when on the one hand, a group of users decides what I can add to the page and what is not, and on the other, ignores ANY of my attempts to address the difference in opinions in fandom. For example http://christandpopculture.com/korrasami-bends-legend-korra-wrong-ways/
or http://www.geeksundergrace.com/tv/legend-korra-series-finale-three-reasons-didnt-work/.
Will you also ignore this?
Can we please get a mod in here? Not only has this gone on forever, but as an outside observer I'm growing skeptical that LittleBuster is actually acting in good faith, particularly in light of another ATT entry with similar issues.
Good evening. Is my deleted paragraph here
a complaint? Especially considering that it connects the rest of the tropes from this topic on the YMMV page? I asked my opponent what he can recall the real hints of this, apart from the standard Les Yay, which otherwise interpreted after the Bi The Way final, but I still have not received a response. All this time the user spends on proving the "wrongness" of this opinion, although he already knows that the subject of the dispute is Broken Base.
And this is not the first time that my example is deleted on the grounds that another user "just does not agree with the reaction of other fans", but last time the conflict remained unanswered.
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