Nippon Ichi (Disgaea, Makai Kingdom, etc.):

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"Justice!"
[...]Also, I'm pretty sure that stronger characters in the base panel increase capture odds.

Right. As far as I know, what happens is that when you throw a monster into your base panel it "fights" the things that are inside, so if the characters you have in reserve can't hit it and get past its defense, weakening it won't make any difference.

edited 11th Aug '10 2:10:58 AM by SuperDimensionman

102 wanderlustwarrior11th Aug 2010 01:16:12 AM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Lord British Role Model All-Pope Leo I, HNIC
ah, I guess that makes sense, but about half of them can trade hits with it outside of the base panel.

I knew that it fought them, but I figured that they'd be able to damage it inside the base panel when they're ganging up on it. Because even in one on ones, they occasionally do about 150 damage.

And there were times that I'd weakened it to under 100hp/10sp. So at this point, I'm willing to believe there's a problem with the capture mechanism.

edited 11th Aug '10 1:19:51 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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103 Soliferrum11th Aug 2010 01:44:17 AM from The Crown of Babel
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I found that weakening monsters didn't do jack. I just grinded up and stole it with brute force.
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104 ArcanGenth11th Aug 2010 01:51:31 AM from 127.0.0.1 , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Geekling
Don't forget that when you try to capture monsters, they have a built in "SP Bomb".

If the monster has any SP, it's dealt in damage to you base panel characters before the "capture fight" even starts.
^There's that. With a lot of monsters, I arranged it so they'd use up their SP before I lobbed them into the base panel.
106 wanderlustwarrior11th Aug 2010 06:02:41 AM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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I've tried, but I can't get it down to exactly zero.
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107 mega-dark16th Sep 2010 03:09:09 PM from Planeptune , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Moe Game Console
Disgaea 4 has been announced
I want Kat's glasses!
@Above: Well, that may explain why I couldn't catch a Lv 80/85 angel despite having my Lv 101 Laharl in the base panel...
Grandma, what big teeth you have! It would be a shame if anything happened to them.
109 ArcanGenth17th Sep 2010 02:01:01 AM from 127.0.0.1 , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Geekling
Wait, wait, Medi.

Angels are humanoid units. They're not monsters.
You cannot capture humanoids.
A level 1 non-monster will wipe out your base panel, no matter who is in there.
110 wanderlustwarrior17th Sep 2010 02:07:02 AM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Lord British Role Model All-Pope Leo I, HNIC
so the end of the True Defender of Earth chapter is disproportionately tough.

Regarding my attempts to catch a galactic demon:
To sum up my team: I've got Laharl, Etna and Flonne at about level 47, one of all of the other story characters (up to where I'm at in the story (see above)) and starter classes at level 42-40, scout at 38, star mage and skull at 38, 3 prinnies at 36, and one of each element mage and skull at about 35 each. I put all but the weakest mage in the base panel before I throw an enemy in. I still can't catch what I want. How much stronger do I need to be?

edited 17th Sep '10 2:17:28 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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Cure Candy
^ things scale insanely from there on up I usually have to go level up via the invincibility panels in that one fire level (cant remember the exact name) block off all bridges and pick up some of them and throw them into each other to double their level then kill them.

I think you have to be low 70s or so to not get 1 shot by the final boss.

edited 17th Sep '10 2:14:03 AM by Raso

I want Kat's glasses!
^^^Damn. So much for recruiting them without unlocking GPI-knows-what first.

edited 17th Sep '10 2:17:58 AM by Medinoc

Grandma, what big teeth you have! It would be a shame if anything happened to them.
113 wanderlustwarrior17th Sep 2010 02:17:54 AM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Lord British Role Model All-Pope Leo I, HNIC
sorry, I should have mentioned again: what do I need to do to catch a galactic demon? I think I rephrased it better now.
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Cure Candy
Oh sorry I misread your post

The Cyclops in 8-1 are Lv. 27.

When a monster is thrown into the base, it will unload all of its SP as damage onto random characters. Effectively it's an SP explosion, where all it's SP converted into damage, which is randomly distributed to random characters. If any characters survived it, then a battle will ensue that will attempt to lower the Monster's HP to 0. The determination of whether you'll win or not appears to be based on a 1 on 1 duel to the death with the monster. If one character dies, then another character at random will try their hand at the monster. This keeps going until either all characters are defeated, or the Monster's HP is brought to 0, at which point it is captured.

This is pretty much the reason why when you throw a high levelled monster into the base it will cut through all your party members, even after the SP explosion. If a bunch of slightly lower leveled characters took on the monster at once and he had a lot of HP remaining, before it was thrown into the base, you'd likely win on the combined strength of all your characters. But since you have the possibility of losing half the time or more, a 1 on 1 fight against successive randomly chosen characters, would be the most likely answer.

So before you throw a monster into the base to capture it, do 2 things.

1) Try and get it to waste as much SP as you can. If the Monster's level is so high that it has a virtual inexhaustable amount of SP, then ignore this. Just hope and pray your characters will survive the SP explosion when its thrown into the base

2) Lower it's HP as much as you can. The closer you get it to 0 before throwing it into the base, the better chance one of those random characters will kill it.

A good way to get around the SP explosion, is to create a LOT of brand new Lv 1 characters at the Dark Congress, and let them soak up all the SP damage, this will ensure in most cases that your strongest characters will be fighting the monster at their full capacity. It isn't guaranteed, but it will increase the chances of your stronger characters survivng the SP explosion. You can have a maximum of 104 createable characters in your army, so there's LOTS of room to create these fodder characters.

edited 17th Sep '10 2:34:32 AM by Raso

115 wanderlustwarrior17th Sep 2010 07:34:36 AM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Lord British Role Model All-Pope Leo I, HNIC
I'm trying to do all that, except the last point. I kind of have a problem with doing that. Especially cause they're also just clutter. There's no way to combine characters, is there?
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116 mega-dark17th Sep 2010 10:29:28 AM from Planeptune , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Moe Game Console
Disgaea 4 trailer. I CAN"T WAIT!

edited 17th Sep '10 10:35:33 AM by mega-dark

"Justice!"
Disgaea 4 trailer. I CAN"T WAIT!

The Masked Hero returns! Day one purchase.

I'm tempted to buy the Japanese version, actually. I should be able to become fluent in Japanese before February, right? How hard can it be?
118 mega-dark17th Sep 2010 10:47:13 AM from Planeptune , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Moe Game Console
The main characters are a vampire, a warewolf, and human girl( Valvados, Fenrihi, and Fuka). I think NIS is trolling.
Ooh. I'll probably pick that up as well.
Professional Nerd
^^ Not until one of them sparkles.

Which, remembering Lord Bishie Sparkle Big Star, is probably very likely.
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121 Ianator17th Sep 2010 11:17:05 AM from Nuvema Town
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...Color me impressed. I may have to get a PS3 in the near future.
122 dmysta300017th Sep 2010 12:48:53 PM from New York and New Jersey , Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
YAY MURDER! :3
Just saw the trailer. Looks like Axel is gonna be one of the main characters. smile

edited 17th Sep '10 12:49:13 PM by dmysta3000

I want Kat's glasses!
Damn, this could get me to by a Playstation 3... Which incidentally, would be my first Sony console.
Grandma, what big teeth you have! It would be a shame if anything happened to them.
124 wanderlustwarrior17th Sep 2010 12:59:32 PM from Black Attack Squadron HQ , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Lord British Role Model All-Pope Leo I, HNIC
If only Makai Kingdom didn't have a nice, fully contained story, I'd like a sequel
Miles to go before I sleep...
125 ArcanGenth18th Sep 2010 12:59:14 AM from 127.0.0.1 , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Geekling
Dammit.
This is making me want to play through the Disgaea games.
Again.

I've lot sooooo many hours to this addictive creature.

~tracks down his DS and Disgaea DS~

Dammit.

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