@Hylarn: Any oddities in particular that bugged you?

edited 13th Aug '12 3:00:04 AM by AnotherDuck

Actually it's not quite expensive to get them...

edited 13th Aug '12 3:00:07 AM by tryourbreast

Yeah, VAs seem to be celebrities, but they aren't exactly highly paid.

edited 13th Aug '12 3:08:41 AM by Clarste

Especially young and female idol V As. Only really famous veterans like Wakamoto have a high pay level.

>I was thinking of it as animal control

It's not animal control, it's going to war with the youkai. The word is not used for animals in real history, only for human enemies... and youkai.

>punitive expedition

My Chinese-English dictionary also says that.

Not really. Even the most famous ones aren't paid all that much. For something as short as this, having an All Star Cast isn't going to represent a huge cost. If there's a major issue it'd probably be dealing with multiple agencies

Youmu and Yuyuko's relationship seems kind of backwards. While it's nice to see someone remember that Youmu is known to stand up to Yuyuko on occasion, this went too far the other way. Youmu is the girl who's choices in IN are obeying Yuyuko or obeying Yuyuko

Aya was just handled weird. Lazing around, then suddenly showing up to give advice to Tei. None of this is really in-character for her

Tei came off like an innocent young girl. No snarking or attempted manipulation at all

...My main issue is with the voice-acting, though

edited 13th Aug '12 3:26:03 AM by Hylarn

So how about "suppression squad" or something? To make it sound sort of paramilitary?

Yeah, the voice-acting were very odd. I posted a list of that that I thought of before.

And about Youmu and Yuyuko, yes, it's backwards. You're not supposed to mess with Yuyuko, you know? Bad girl. Now Yuyuko will scheme pranks for you while you're on the quest!

By the way, I once heard that the price needed for a CV is proportional to the time they're inside this career.... So the old ones are expensive. Young ones are not.

edited 13th Aug '12 3:34:18 AM by tryourbreast

The best actors in the world are useless if the director is bad.

I follow you. On that note, this episode 2 has been improved quite a heck lot compared to episode 1. Direction skillz.

Actually, I wonder how much it would have cost to hire a famous director too...

Pretty much. (Looking at you, almost every English dub ever)

^ Mmm... probably four times as much? Don't quote me on this, my knowledge of physical acting directors helps jack.

I'm still imagining the human village has some sort of militia for stuff like that, so 'squad' probably works if it wasn't a mob with torches and pitchforks.

edited 13th Aug '12 3:54:34 AM by AGREATWHITESHARK

@Hylarn:

Tewi seemed innocent? Well, she's very good at acting innocent, but I didn't really get that impression from her. I've always known her to often think a lot less further ahead than she's actually capable of.

I do agree that the ghost dynamic seemed a little odd, but I'm still glad that Yuyu as a black hole was only referred to (in a fourth-wallish way), rather than played out. On the other hand, if Youmu does stand up to Yuyu on occasion, what makes this occasion not count as that?

Aya didn't seem any more out of character than she was in the first part. Shows up at random, and does what she wants. Kind of like most youkai...

I still think most voices fit well, though.

edited 13th Aug '12 4:00:17 AM by AnotherDuck

Regardless of cost (which would probably be fairly high), hiring a director would likely be somewhat difficult, and hiring an outsider to give them control over the product just seems to go against the point of a doujin work

Canon instances of Youmu standing up to Yuyuko are generally followed by Yuyuko smacking Youmu back down. Or trying to

As I recall, the only time Youmu ever "won" was in SSIB when she turned Yuyuko's words around as a reason she shouldn't have to prepare food.

Well, I personally don't see something as out of character unless the character would just not do that, or if there's a trend of the character acting differently than she should. There are no trends here, and I don't think anyone does anything they would never do.

Well, by that logic anyone can do anything in a fanwork, and as long as the names are the same we should just accept it.

Personally, I judge it more harshly because it's an anime. Much like ZUN, I believe it feels significantly more central to the perception of the fandom than some random doujin. The fact that they're going around advertising their All Star Cast further supports the idea that they see this work as a "pillar of Touhou". So to have such an important work that they obviously spent so much time and resources to make end up being one of the shallowest, disrespectful, pointless bits ever created makes my blood boil. Seriously, I got really really mad at the first one. Nerdrage, I guess, but it really annoys me.

edited 13th Aug '12 4:18:51 AM by Clarste

That's way too forgiving. I think something that goes against an established trend should qualify

edited 13th Aug '12 4:27:00 AM by Hylarn

In other news, apparently "suppression squad" is the name of a villainous group from the Sonic the Hedgehog comics. Which is.... probably not the idea we want to be projecting.

Punitive force? That seems pretty good actually. Searching for it on wikipedia comes up with a lot of "put together a punitive force to suppress the rebellion" and such.

edited 13th Aug '12 5:04:50 AM by Clarste

I'd probably go with Strike Force/team or assault team, myself.

RE: Youmu standing up to Yuyuko, There's TD and SWR as well, where Yuyuko would rather she stayed home. (Though Yuyuko isn't particularly distraught to let her go those times, either). Youmu's not spineless; she's duty bound. (Having not yet seen the 2nd episode [waiting on subs], I'm not sure if that distinction matters.) But my impression was that Youmu would solve an incident even if Yuyuko didn't want her to, as long as it was sufficiently effecting the netherworld.

edited 13th Aug '12 5:17:53 AM by Antimatter625

Also POFV.

Edit: Also, uploaded what I thought was the the final version unless someone has any major complaints.

edited 13th Aug '12 5:24:00 AM by Clarste

This Alice is cute.

I'm a very forgiving duck. I don't get my knickers in a twist just because someone has a different opinion than I do.

But I didn't really mean it as "anything at all they could possibly do". I mean, I recently got an out-of-character moment because someone swore. Lightly. And it's not a character I'm sure wouldn't avoid swearing even most of the time. Just rather calm mostly. And that's despite that the rest of the fanfic had stuff that goes against how I see it even more. Male blood-sucking mosquitoes who go to work and all that.

The way I see it, Youmu would go against Yuyu like that. She wasn't particularly forceful either. Just asked about something that upset her. Yuyu was a bit weak, though she's wishy-washy enough that it still doesn't seem out of character, and most characters tend to be rather weak when they're at fault.

Overall, I found the anime to be more correct than a majority of the fandom.

...In case anyone doesn't want to read the chapter of WAHH again, I changed one line from "Once it's revealed, they'll surely put together a team to put you down." to "Once it's revealed they'll surely put together a punitive force to suppress you."

My initial thought was that "put down" has the double meaning of "to kill an animal" and "to suppress a rebellion." However, I'm told that's it's a bit too informal for what's closer to a military term. Did I overcompensate? I'm worried.

edited 13th Aug '12 6:10:21 AM by Clarste

I think the double meaning trumps the more formal version. Something that can be interpreted two ways shows more thought into the word choice compared to a literal translation. It's still Gensokyo, so coming off as too informal isn't that much of a crime. Are you aiming for a pragmatic translation, or a literal one?

edited 13th Aug '12 6:34:11 AM by AnotherDuck

Well, the complaint was that it was a bit too weak for a line that apparently implies that the human village has the resources and motive to hunt down youkai who "break the rules". Which has a large impact on our perception of the setting.