All Purpose Negima Fanfiction Thread

I just read a fic where all the dead Hokage MST 3 K the stupidity in Naruto's plot, and I so want to write a fic where Pain ragequits the plot on the basis that it contains too much stupid.

Mostly because one of the lines was Tsunade asking the Akatsuki how the hell they were killed and Pain went "I pretty much ragequit."

Also, the entirety of Akatsuki complains about Sasuke being protected by the plot, Itachi being an overly dramatic ass and how Pain was somehow convinced to ragequit by the dead last.

It got me thinking about the Lifemaker ragequitting because he spent 2600 years studying magic and he's pwned by a ten year old and an idiot.

edited 13th Oct '12 12:47:21 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Okay, I've got a very serious question for Negima Piece: Barring Evangeline, who among the entirety of Ala Alba/3-A's combatant members is the most plausible choice for being the first citizen of the One Piece-verse to actually kill a World Noble in cold-blooded revenge/retaliation and earn the unrivalled moniker of "World Noble Killer"? I was thinking Setsuna, after having Konoka be attacked by a World Noble with murderous intent (and nearly succeeding in the murder) — or maybe having said World Noble sexually molest and nearly rape Konoka would be more plausible of a reason for retaliatory murder without any hesitation?

edited 13th Oct '12 1:12:54 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Rape is also generally a bad idea in storytelling.

You could always go with the one least expected to do it, or someone who seems to be docile, nice, quiet, kind and all that jazz. As in, Konoka herself.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Nearly rape — as in, that is his aim/intent, but he is thankfully stopped. And AFAIK it's more like "rape is more often than not badly implemented as a storytelling element or in character backstories, and thus it's recommended to leave it for more experienced writers" rather than being inherently a bad idea.

Konoka, killing someone? Hard to do when she is decidely a non-combatant personality-wise.

edited 13th Oct '12 1:28:19 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

It's a hard thing to use well. It's also overused.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

The thing that bothers me about rape is exactly what Linkara said about it being used in fiction.

"Rape is often employed by writers not because they have a story they want to tell about rape, because rape is something that happens to women. [...] in the hands of a lesser skilled writer, rape is generally employed as a 'thing that happens to women.' [...] (The) story isn't about (this character's) rape. She is essentially a prop and we only see the rape in how it affects everybody else. The rape is only used as a catalyst for other characters. We don't know how she recovers from the incident! Where is HER story?"

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Does K Onoka have her healing abilities in your story? Assuming she had enough fine control that could be pretty deadly....

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@No Limit: I know that it would be a sign of my hitting it big, hence the flattery. I meant that the nature of the powers in the story (it's called Fey Guardian Shaeekah, by the way) is likely to encourage the Rule 34 to be really weird.

On rape: It's not something that I want to deal with properly in my stories. One of the biggest reasons being that I don't want to write something that I can't imagine. As far as that's concerned, I don't even want to know what that is like and if I ever found out, I'd probably be too traumatised to use that knowledge.

Considering some of my characters, I'm probably just encouraging it just as much as you.

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You all seem to be under the assumption that I'm going to have Konoka actually raped in that scenario, which is not true. I'm implementing the intent to rape to provide a logical justification for one character reacting with extreme violence to the perpetrator; compare to how many FSN fans abhor Gilgamesh for the Unfortunate Implications of how he phrases his intentions of what he will do with Saber after defeating her.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Marq, you don't get it. The fact that the rape is even attempted is bad.

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1) I don't get why.

2) If it's true, then why does it get used anyway?

3) Automatically deeming usage of rape or the intent to rape as a narrative element or device as being inherently bad promotes what amounts to implicit denial of the existence of rape (by removing any mentions of its existence in fictional settings). Rape happens, whoever does is a scumbag, scumbags more often than not are not above at least entertaining the thought, and that's all pure fact and hard reality; I don't see why that shouldn't be reflected in stories by making sufficiently despicable villains follow the "logical" course of action for their circumstances and/or personalities.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yeah, but the problem is that you're using it in a way that doesn't treat the idea of rape and its victims with the proper respect that you should.

"Oh, everyone gets really pissed!"

"Okay, so how does the victim respond? Are they traumatized so much that they fear the touch of men? Are they afraid to go outside ever again? How does the character react to it?"

"...EVERYONE GETS PISSED."

edited 13th Oct '12 3:07:33 PM by NoLimit

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In actual One Piece the first World Noble to show up declares some random woman his new wife. Having one do that to Konoka could give Setsuna a reason to be pissed without getting onto the thin ice of bringing in rape.

Let me put it this way.

I'm perfectly fine if you do it in a setting where such a thing would be common, such as in a warlike setting, with soldiers/bandits pillaging and raping around. Because the main problems of its implementation are dealt with rather swiftly. Often, the victim is simply killed afterward, and thus you don't have to worry about properly writing how a rape victim would react to it.

Or in a setting like Naruto's, except taken seriously, where Kunoichi should be pretty much certain that, should they ever be captured, they're going to get raped, no exceptions, and their training should make things much, much less difficult for them and the writer.

However, in a setting that's much more idealistic, where it would be a pretty big damn deal, it's generally a terrible idea to even imply intentions of rape: The victim's reaction would be near impossible to portray... unless you're a rape victim yourself, that is. Then, I imagine it'd be easier.

Personally, the moral implications aren't the problem for me. The problem is that I can't really put myself in that place and thus I couldn't possibly write about it with any degree of ability. It's not like wish-fulfillment, at least that is easier since you want things to happen. I also find rape boring. It's a story teller's way of simply going 'fuck it, they all hate him because he's a rapist' instead of creating conflict with characters who are not one-dimensionally evil.

For the record, Rape isn't the only thing that can make a person terrified of another's touch...

edited 13th Oct '12 3:24:30 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

You know, One Piece would seriously take a dark turn if it featured actual rape in it. I probably wouldn't be able to look at it the same way ever again as it tries to play the lighthearted card. It'll always linger in the back of my mind...

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It would make for hilarious mood whiplash, though.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

"Nami's been raped, Luffy! ...Please stop making exaggerated expressions. This is serious."

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This. If a rape or attempted rape is an important plot point, the entire story should revolve around it.

An attempted rape is psychologically scaring. You can't just ignore the repurcussions.

EDIT:I'm mostly agreeing with IANCE even if I'd word it differently.

edited 13th Oct '12 3:33:32 PM by Sereg

After three hours of explanations, Chopper finally understands what rape is, falls catatonic for the rest of the arc. Luffy still doesn't give signs of getting it, but even so, kicks the bad guy's extra-hard and with extra-rage anyway afterwards.

You know, the complete opposite could be a better inversion. In an ultra-gritty and somber series a la Berserk or Crying Freeman, the girl is kidnapped, the hero goes in a mad rampage through the henchmen, chopping them bloody, sure he'll find his beloved raped and/or dead... Then when he gets to the bad guy's quarters, he finds him amiably chatting and having tea with the female lead.

Enough to kill him once she gets her hands on him and not get a What the Hell, Hero? reaction from her comrades, when this is the first time they've ever had a run-in with or discover just how atrocious the World Nobles are in general?

@IANCE: "Lucky" for you, in the One Piece, as Rikalous had just mentioned, the World Nobles pretty much commit rape every time they have sex with any of their wives that they forcibly "married" (like the nurse that Rikalous referred to); so yes, rape happens with horrific frequency (I'd hazard a guess that it's at least one rape per night) in the World Nobles' "holy" city of Mariejois. Naturally, Oda does his best to distract the readers from such Unfortunate Implications.

So having Setsuna barge in as the World Noble who snatched off Konoka from the street is sexually molesting her (and of course, she's doing everything she can to resist him and find or improvise an escape route), and then going into Unstoppable Rage and slice him into bloody ribbons is a no-go?

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Behold a World Noble in all of his despicable "glory". Note that the MIB-like guard beside him is completely non-plussed from start to finish; all of this is just Tuesday for him. The One Pieceverse is a Crapsaccharine World at best.

edited 13th Oct '12 3:45:39 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

... Well, that screams of Shock Value.

edited 13th Oct '12 3:52:04 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Marq, answer the damn question: How does the victim react?

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@NDC

That would be brilliant because there's no reason why the bad guys should be assholes. After all, 'evil' is simply a matter of perspective, and it's much easier to be likable when you're a charming gentleman that just happens to want to see the world burn instead of a raging pyromaniac.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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