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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#1: Dec 14th 2010 at 5:51:51 PM

When I first wrote up Most Triumphant Example, I knew it would be subjective. But I really should have noted that it should not be in main wiki pages, as putting it on one of those is stating an opinion. Now the thing is all over the place, and in ways that don't really inform any of the pages they are on. They are just a way to shoehorn Gushing About Shows You Like onto pages.

If it comes down to it, I'll work on deleting examples myself, but I would like to discuss other options here, including some drastic measures if need be.

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KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#2: Jan 6th 2011 at 5:04:58 PM

There are some things that I can understand when this is used (like the Dragon Ball Z page stated that the show is the MTE of Power Makes Your Hair Grow), but it's sort of irritating that it's thrown across pages. For instance, I saw that someone threw an MTE on Gurren Lagann's Awesomeness Is Volatile despite it not having anything of the sort that I could remember.

Also, if I may add to the repairing load: There are a lot of MT Es without signatures. If we have highly subjective pages like Dethroning Moment Of Suck needing signatures, shouldn't we need the same for this? And what about those with Unknown Troper sigs?

Also, there are tropes that have long since been renamed (say, You Suck to This Loser Is You). Shouldn't these be merged and replaced with a message to editors that redirects them?

Sorry if this seems like I'm hijacking DQZ's thread. I'm just explaining some concerns.

edited 6th Jan '11 5:18:16 PM by KingClark

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#3: Jan 6th 2011 at 6:12:52 PM

Well, this thread reminded me, so I cleaned up the wicks for SugarWiki.Most Triumphant Example. Wicks for the redirect are still all over the place, of course.

If you see this trope linked to in an article, go ahead and remove the link.

edited 6th Jan '11 6:15:06 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Jan 10th 2011 at 7:07:51 AM

It need not allways be gushing. Dragonball Z being a Most Triumphant Example of Arc Fatigue for instance.

Still mostly subjective though.

TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#5: Jan 15th 2011 at 9:10:59 PM

I second the OP's sentiments. Too many of these examples are unfamiliar to The Everyman or non-otakus. I know lots of tropers have watched Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann but honestly, most of the examples from Anime reek of Fan Myopia.

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TonyMuhplaah Brother of Favio from Tony, Wisconsin Since: Oct, 2010
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#6: Jan 18th 2011 at 6:55:32 AM

I think there also needs to be cleanup of the pages for Most Triumphant Example. Like with Crowning Moment Of Awesome, the name implies there being a singular one.

For example, just looking at the page for Most Triumphant Example/A tropes, Abusive Parents has 11 examples (including Firelord Ozai, who, while he hurt his son in a duel once and has been a jerk, probably shouldn't be the most triumphant example). Action Girl has 14, and many others have more than one example.

In short, cleanup is needed. Perhaps make it required that the Most Triumphant Example needs a description for why it is the most triumphant instead of the pages being a list of names of characters and shows? Make there some method of getting a consensus and labeling others as "runner ups?" Change the name to just Triumphant Example, as seen with the likes of Crowning Moment Of Awesome?

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#7: Jan 18th 2011 at 7:02:44 AM

Your just asking for another fight like Moment Of Awesome.. (the Sugar Wiki Icon thing being kicked around in the tech shop forum though would go along way though)

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Jan 18th 2011 at 8:01:29 AM

"For example, just looking at the page for Most Triumphant Example/A tropes, Abusive Parents has 11 examples (including Firelord Ozai, who, while he hurt his son in a duel once and has been a jerk, probably shouldn't be the most triumphant example). Action Girl has 14, and many others have more than one example."

The page always allowed multiple entries. It's asking what a troper personally thinks is the best example of any trope. Just any unsigned ones should be taken out.

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ZeniTheWonder Since: Jul, 2010
#9: Feb 22nd 2011 at 6:04:17 PM

Maybe it could be required to explain why someone thinks something is a Most Triumphant Example? That would at least make people think more before just slapping on a name, and wouldn't violate the subjective nature of it.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#10: Feb 22nd 2011 at 6:44:08 PM

No, because almost always when someone says something is "OMG the ultimate Most Triumphant Example EVER!!!", it actually just isn't; it's just another straight example among many, that they happen to like.

I would like to see Main.Most Triumphant Example get the same redirect-redlink treatment as Wall Banger and So Bad It's Horrible.

edited 22nd Feb '11 6:45:15 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#12: Feb 22nd 2011 at 11:09:54 PM

[up][up]YES! Finally, someone else seems to view gushing and complaining as equally bad.

We shouldn't cut it unless we cut some of the complaining outlets on the Darth Wiki with it, though. Link cutting should do fine.

Never mind the above, link cutting was all that was proposed. I misread.

edited 22nd Feb '11 11:11:27 PM by nrjxll

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#13: Feb 22nd 2011 at 11:13:40 PM

Me, as well.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#14: Feb 22nd 2011 at 11:18:31 PM

Maybe treating this a bit like Dethroning Moment Of Suck would work. Yes, I realise that they're on completely opposite sides of the spectrum, but the idea of each troper gets one most triumphant example per trope and has to sign for it would be a way to keep the title accurate.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#15: Feb 23rd 2011 at 1:30:55 AM

We aren't discussing the page itself. And it already does those things anyway.

edited 23rd Feb '11 1:31:07 AM by DragonQuestZ

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ZeniTheWonder Since: Jul, 2010
#16: Feb 23rd 2011 at 6:27:02 PM

Oh- I thought we were talking about the page being crowded, hence my previous suggestion. My bad.

I agree with giving it the Wall Banger/So Bad It's Horrible link treatment. There's really no reason to link to it on a page anyway, aside from maybe on Bill and Ted since it's the Trope Namer.

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#17: Feb 23rd 2011 at 6:45:14 PM

1683 wicks!!

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#18: Feb 23rd 2011 at 6:50:18 PM

[up]We can do it if we all work on it. Lets go!

SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#19: Feb 23rd 2011 at 7:27:32 PM

[up][up] Let's take it to special efforts, where everyone will see it.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#20: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:24:49 PM

Special Efforts thread is made. We can lock this.

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