The Dresden Files

That does make sense and it would give Nick an excuse to do it right away and mess with Harry at the same time.

At this point I'm bothered by ghouls because we get them appearing pretty much all the time but we have the least amount of explanation of what they are and how they work in comparison to our other supernatural beasties and their relative appearances.

What are they made of, where do they come from, why are they so hard to kill relative to other supernatural beasties? was the faction made from ichor a different species How do they revive from blood loss and being made of soup? Are they a hybrid of humans are Nevernever creatures? How do they reproduce? what was the "First" ghoul? Do they only eat human flesh or is it just delicious to them? Are they purely Nevernever creatures? Because they clearly aren't, but the faction made of ichor Harry meant seem to be more Nevernever than physical. Why re they getting even harder to kill/get rid of over the series of books?

Just because Gilgamesh has so far not appeared...

And what does an ancient Mesopotamian folk hero have to do with Ghouls?

Also, considering that almost everything else that has appeared as often as Ghouls has gotten their explanations, Ghouls who appear like, every two book, are extremely lacking.

edited 21st Oct '14 8:10:49 AM by MousaThe14

Honestly the only real leadership we've seen is the mention of the La Chaise Clan who's the largest apparently, and the Ereshkigal clan who's led by Gilgamesh a ghoul who managed to sign himself on the Accords, that I mentioned above. As far as I can tell from the rpg, the regular ghouls are descended scions of the uberghouls by interbreeding with humans

edited 21st Oct '14 8:18:59 AM by dazai

Surely the sire of the ghouls is not the Gilgamesh?

Enkidu?

If he's wearing golden armor and calls you a mongrel....run.

-Battle on the Big Bridge intensifies-

Well, we know that the Titans (i.e the guys who supposedly had a hand in the creation of the world) are imprisoned somewhere in the DF universe, so I think it's more a case of a retroactive retcon - whatever pantheon happens to be big gets to tell how they created the world until someone else comes along and gets to take the honor. Right now that's the Big G. In the future it might be Buddha, who knows.

(I know the Buddha isn't a god, hypothetical philosophers/theologists, I'm just exaggerating)

edited 21st Oct '14 12:41:06 PM by math792d

My theory is that our universe and the Nevernever used to be the same thing, but at some point something happened to cause them to split in two. So all the Creation myths are true, just for different regions of the Nevernever: there's a part of the Nevernever where Yahweh created everything in seven days, and there's another part where the Aesir made the earth and sky out of a giant's corpse, and there's another part where Coyote stole the Sun to put in the sky, and so on.

Actually I have been considering something similar. One thing in DF is that physics still are important.

So if all the science says how the Earth was created...then thats how it went probably went down for the Planet.

All the creation myths however don't refer to the Planet Earth but to the specific regions of the Nevernever, depending on which pantheon etc we are talking about, mainly because its always been important that how we Human's see them influences the Nevernever creatures.

Ymir got slain, in the nevernever which would be the origin of the Aesir, because it was what the believers in the norse pantheon told each other => Aesir start to form.

Doesn't that still kinda fall under the retroactive creation model?

True, but Earth itself unaffected...and its basically Everyone Is Right.

I would say DF Earth is definitely affected by what happens in the Never Never.

Well we knew that was a fact since Summer Knight.

I meant it in a "Earth's very origin is not reset every time we get a new popular god" way.

edited 22nd Oct '14 9:27:12 AM by 3of4

That would probably cause some timey wimey issues.

Not if the Creation Events are purely "The Pantheons respective corner of the nevernever."

You lost me. What is it that changes with each nrw head honcho, then?

Math is proposing a theory that the creation of the world status changes whenever a new god takes over as most famous in a form of cosmic retcon.

Yeah, but you said it wouldn't affect the Alwaysalways. So what does change?

For earth/The universe? probably nothing noticeable on Earth-Planet-Scale. Doesn't mean for the people living on it there wouldn't be effects.

Hey, let's compare-contrast. Anyone here read Mercedes Lackey's Elemental Masters series?

Nope.