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In the anime, the People of the Vale were the civilization that first had the Heroes of the Dragons, and the ones that built the Dragonspiral and Desert ruins. When we see them they look very native American in clothing and skin tone. They probably draw influence from many native groups (which were very urbanized pre-Columbian thank you very much) but since Unova is NYC Lenape seemed best.

In the film Damon's whole motivation is to se the Kingdom of the Vale return, which is a very AIM like goal.
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 7302 Tracer Bullet, Fri, 18th Jan '13 6:18:01 PM from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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[up] Ah, I think that clarifies your point a bit. Though I would still question the appropriateness of styling the People of the Vale after the Lenape. You are correct in that there were highly urbanized indigenous societies in what is now the United States... It's just that the Lenape were not one of them as far as I am aware of, at least in terms that we would be familiar with. The Lenape to my understanding (and after an elaboration from someone a bit more versed about them than myself) did not have any lasting monumental architecture as a culture, lived in dense but small settlements in terms of absolute head count, and supported their population density through widespread environmental manipulation of their surroundings (I am not certain whether or not those effects have remained a tad more intact than they have in my corner of the world).

I guess where I'm going with this is that it just doesn't seem like the People of the Vale represent a solid, unmistakeable analogue to the Lenape in the same way as say, Goldenrod City is to Osaka. They are a people group that is culturally distinct from contemporary Unovans... But there's no reason to presume that they simply aren't a more traditional stock from the same people groups that presently live there. The breadth of their scope in Unova's history is unclear, there's nothing that would prevent them from being one among multiple contributing societies in other canons (primarily because the People of the Vale kinda don't exist in them). Also, the architecture that is present doesn't exactly match up, or for that matter remotely resemble any pre-Colombian architectures that I can think of outside of the ruins offshore Undella. Not to mention, the lore associated with this "People of the Vale" is far more widely dispersed among contemporary Unovans' mindshare than the Lenape enjoy IRL, which implies a possible continuity of descent/culture (kudos to rmctagg09 for pointing this out. They apparently got scattered to the winds in the anime) between Unovans today and those that lived there in the time of the first heroes.

I guess what I'm going at is that one can make the case for the Lenape being an analogue for the People of the Vale, but their overall status in franchise canon outside of the anime is already unclear. Beyond that, there's attributes of Unova's past that leave the door rather open for its past being radically different in shape than that of its real-life analogue's, and I'm not sure it would be wise to attempt to crystallize around one option when others could do it themselves with the more concrete fluff that is available to build upon. (More or less the stated end goal of PEFE. We're not here to write stories, we're here to provide an "engine" for others to write their own.) But I suspect that we won't be making much headway into this. Perhaps it would be best to just agree to disagree regarding the topic.

edited 18th Jan '13 6:42:09 PM by TracerBullet

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This is true, my main point was that the People of the Vale serve a similar precursor role in Unova that the Lenape do for NYC. And while not a DIRECT analogue (note the lack of desert in New York or ocean in Arizona) they fit the niche.

As the Vale is the only back story we have for the Heroes of Truth and Ideals and as the game and film narrate the same events, it is logical to conclude that for the Dexes canon, the People of the Vale were the ones of the Dragon Age as we have no contradictory evidence in any canon.
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 7304 Yackerz, Wed, 23rd Jan '13 3:30:13 PM from Connecticut
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Hi. I'm new here, so bare with me! Anyway, I read the Dibs page. I don't know if I'm doing this right, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has done this. Can I call dibs on Keldeo?
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 7305 Regitnui, Tue, 29th Jan '13 3:53:03 AM from Blind Eternities
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I'm dibsing the Shroomish line. I'm in the mood for some weird biology, and how much more weird do you get that a walking mushroom cap that turns into a plant-kangaroo that punches things?
I'm obviously such a cuddly,inoffensive soul.
 7306 Udthe Imp, Tue, 29th Jan '13 5:23:16 AM from Stamford, CT
Screw the Lion!
[up]I thiought it was more likke a fungal velociraptor sort of thing.
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 7307 Regitnui, Tue, 29th Jan '13 10:08:48 PM from Blind Eternities
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Fungal velociraptor or plant-kangaroo, it's still got some weird biology.
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 7308 Tracer Bullet, Thu, 31st Jan '13 9:21:58 PM from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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So... My first class overseeing That One Class was tonight, and I'm kinda glad that one of the profs had the idea to ask the students what science classes they took at college so far.

A majority of them had taken some sort of science course and a few of them outright put Pokemon biology as the topic they were looking forward to the most this semester.

Yeah... This is gonna be an amazing ride... Assuming my serious courses don't drive me to insanity.

For those interested. The syllabus is here.
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You know what this means right? You've become an actual literal Pokemon Professor.

Lucky Bastard. :)
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A bumpy question since this thread is super slow right now.

Why do we have Cynthia have a Giratina? Just becasue she was at the event? I think if we're giving named character Legends they should be ones they've had in at least one contitnuty.

There are plenty of examples; like the PWT or Adbentures or the Anime. If we MUST give legends to people we should give them to people they have.
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 7311 Tangent 128, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 8:31:07 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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The simple answer is that Jane wrote things that way in her article, and it was considered good flavor at the time. That PWT round is certainly hard to reconcile...
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Then we go back and edit it. Problem solved.

And doesn't that break the "This is not fanfiction" mandate anyway?
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 7313 Sixthhokage1, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 11:10:53 AM from Fort Worth, TX
From chatlog:
VeniaSilente: re to Albion: no it doesn't. I don't see a point in saying Cynthia is _not_ the one to have tenure of Giratina the Second. I mean who else do you expect to have it? A random New Bark kid?

And I have to agree with Silent
 7314 Tracer Bullet, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 11:28:55 AM from A Dark and Rainy Alley
Guess Who...?
*shrug*

I'm personally indifferent to Cynthia having tenure of a Mini-Tina. I mean, she's the only other party in-game that's even remotely close to the Sinjoh Ruins in the Arceus event. Of course, I'm of the school that doesn't consider legendary captures to be canon unless explicitly stated so by Word of God.

And we have seen some precedence for named NPCs caring for mons that aren't on their person 24/7. Jasmine's relationship with Amphy of Olivine Lighthouse fame comes to mind.
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My point is its made up stuff that adds outside the mandate. We can fuse canon, justify canon or even bend it to make more sense but just straight making up stuff goes to far.

Besides if we want to be properly accurate it DID go to "a random New Bark kid", and which one it was was never confirmed.

My major issue is that it's explictly extracanonical which shouldn't be done in this project. After all what's to stop us from just making up fanfic ?

I'd much rather have s working out the huge Continuity Snarl that are/is the Regis.

From what I can tell we have two sets with various AU's of them. But then we get into the Anime and films and stuff just goes crosswise.

All I'm really sure of is that Brandon's set are probably the regis of Hoenn. After that, shit gets weird.

Also Chatlink?

edited 2nd Feb '13 12:04:29 PM by HyperAlbion

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 7316 strawberryflavored, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 4:47:10 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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Here: http://wild.tropi.us/pokédex
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The basis of my case against Cynthia's Giratina.

Select quotes:

CJ: "Made up people that don't exist in Pokemon canon."

Locoman: "Uh... This might be pushing the envelope a tad. Expanding on details is fine, but making up something entirely?"

CJ (main argument): I think if we include an article about these people, then we're going from premise to plot. This is too much information, and will open the door for a lot of contradiction from newbies and lurkers. I don't think this will do this project all that much good.

I think including an article about the Yongosen peoples would be too restricting and too solid. This is supposed to be sweeping generalization. Creating solid, unshakable history in the pokemon world that is based off of fanon instead of canon would make this grounds for a plot, not a premise. For example, a random person who wants to make a Pokemon Fanfic about a Frillish could look at the Frillish Article and explore the idea of a society full of the mentally insane. If someone wanted to make a fanfic about the regis they would take into account that Registeel is the most intelligent of the trio, that their bodies are composed of a metal known as 'Regicite', and that there are conflicting origin myths for them. However, If someone wanted to write a fanfic about the Yongosen peoples, they'd have to re-teach it to the audience, mix it into their own, personal fanfic somehow, and explain how it relates to the pokemon world. Again. That doesn't work.

When I binging through the article to see what I could do for teh Vale People (after watching the movie) I cam across this, and when I saw the reaction, I noted it in comparison to Cynthia's Giratina.

This person took a game event and stretched out an entire extracanonical original narrative from it. The comments around it, implied this was considered an improper move for PEFE.

This Giratina is the same. Although the event is canon (as are the Vale people [[hottip]:*: Dont think the names were known at the time.] The details composed from it were an original creation, and as was later shown, dont share elements with any canon.

I would suggest we transfer the Giratina article to refer to Fantina and have Cynthia not take the egg (something that cant be done) but rather have the MC trade it to Fantina.

Thus we justify her having on in the PWT and get to minimize changed to the article. (Though I wonder if the Giratina has to much personalty, basically making it an OC. Though if someone could use a move to find it's nature in game, we could base it off that...

edited 2nd Feb '13 10:27:01 PM by HyperAlbion

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 7318 strawberryflavored, Sun, 3rd Feb '13 5:00:07 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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Well, I'm not really sure what to say other than the person you're citing as the argument is the same person who wrote the article.
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 7319 Sixthhokage1, Sun, 3rd Feb '13 7:04:26 AM from Fort Worth, TX
It does not seem wise to take the DLC tournaments as canon. FAR too many complications that they bring.
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[up][up]Well then, I know this may sound somewhat confrontational but I call a fair bit of hypocrisy there.

[up] The Arceus event only triggers if you have a captured Arceus, which is itself a DLC. I too would question us taking this event as canon, but since we already have I would suggest us editing it to be more in line with canon. Again, ironically using Jane's own statements about plot and premise.

edited 3rd Feb '13 11:57:47 AM by HyperAlbion

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 7321 Sixthhokage1, Sun, 3rd Feb '13 12:02:15 PM from Fort Worth, TX
However, the Arceus event unlocks actual plot within the games rather than just being additional battle scenarios.
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True, though that depends on how you define "plot." In anycase, my points still stand on the previous given reasoning.
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 7323 Umbramatic, Sat, 9th Feb '13 4:39:56 PM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
Sorry if I'm interrupting something important...

But after many    delays    I give you: flying golems!

Golett Line

Morphs [Oak Catalogue #]

Golett [#622]

Golurk [#623]

Physical Description

Golett and Golurk are humanoid automaton Pokemon made of greenish-blue and brown clay. Their bodies are round, with glowing yellow spiral markings and cracks, and small heads that sport similarly glowing yellow eyes, the right of which is “I” shaped and the left of which is “L” shaped. The energy animating them is still being studied, but is often described as a sort of “spiral energy” that seems to keep on going.

Golett is medium-sized (around a meter and a half tall), round, and rough, as if patched together haphazardly. Its body resembles a lumpy globe made out of clay, save for two brown “straps” that wrap around its body in an X shape, connecting at a seal on the chest with a glowing yellow spiral marking. Its head is like its body in that it is uneven and asymmetrical. Its segmented arms and legs, on the other hand, fit neatly into sockets that glow with a similar light to its eyes and spiral seal. Golett are capable of retracting their limbs and head when necessary for defense and certain attacks.

Golurk is far taller, (around 2.8 meters), more humanlike in terms of anatomy, and has a smoother, more symmetrical body structure. Its literally pillar-like legs and thick arms have the brown bands that were on its chest as a Golett wrapped around them. There are now four spiral symbols on its body- specifically, its round shoulders and the backs of its large hands.Spikes jut from the shoulders and head, and the legs emerge from a skirt-like “waist.” Its chest now sports a glowing crack, which is contained by a brown seal; if the seal is removed, the Golurk loses control of its internal energy.

As with organic Pokemon, alternate colorations exist; in this line, their bodies are black and grey instead of greenish-blue, and the glowing yellow areas glow green instead. Trainers often seek after these variants for their teams, though with a low success rate.

Notable Biology

Golett and Golurk have an impressive range of combat abilities, the most prominent being their natural umbrate-based attacks (primarily infused punches) and causing localized seismic tremors. However, they can use their large fists to learn a variety of punching attacks, from those charged with Aura to ones infused with ice, electricity, or flames. Other tactics of note are rolling into the opponent, reinforcing bodily defenses, slamming into the opponent with its weight, hurling rocks at the opponent, low-striking kicks, polishing the body to increase agility, gradually sapping the opponent’s energy, manipulating gravity, high-speed spinning tackles, levitating rock traps, and headbutts charged with psychic energy. They can also use a wide range of ranged, energy-based attacks, including but not limited to bolts of electricity, plant manipulation and psychic assaults; however, these tend to be weaker than average when used by these Pokemon, and so Trainers tend to stick to more physically-oriented tactics.

Three main strains exist of this line. The first has a hard time handling small objects, which has both drawbacks and benefits. The second, most commonly used strain has reinforced fists for better punching attacks. The third and rarest is prone to homing in close on targets, allowing its attacks to hit with more precision while also leaving it more vulnerable to enemy assault.

Interestingly, Golurk have jets powered by their internal energy built into their lower torso and arms. This allows it to fly at high speed, and it can even carry a human in flight - a trait often utilized by Trainers on the go. Golurk can also use the torso jets to function as a makeshift cannon.

Like most Ghost Pokemon, Golett and Golurk can live indefinitely when given proper sustenance and barring accidents, and feed primarily on emotions (see Diet). However, they have limited phasing ability, only being able to do so for certain types of attacks, and cannot pass through walls or other hard surfaces.

History

Golett and Golurk origins have long been rather vague. Records from ancient civilizations show they were created as guardians to people and Pokemon alike, and the oldest Golurk have been in operation for millennia. The same records hint that the first members of this line were created from human and Pokemon volunteers somehow in some sort of military program, though the exact process is lost to time. How more Golett and Golurk are created is also a mystery, though the fact that wild populations continue to remain healthy despite capture by Trainers and occasional deaths from accidents or hostile wild Pokemon and the like suggest that they are creating more of themselves somehow. However, it is speculated that the population replenishes itself slowly enough for there to be a risk of endangerment, and protective measures as well as captive “breeding” efforts using Ditto (which are the only mons known to be able to “breed” with them) are being enacted to help keep wild Golett and Golurk populations stable, preserving part of history as well.

In modern times, they are seen guarding the ruins of large structures, such as but not limited to Dragonspiral Tower and the remains of Plasma Castle comprising what is now Victory Road, both located in northern Unova. Some evidence exists that they served the relic castle in ancient times, but no Golett population currently exists there.

Habitat

Golett and Golurk are almost always seen dwelling in ruins of some sort. The populations in Unova are some of the most studied, particularly the population in Dragonspiral Tower.

Dragonspiral Tower Golett and Golurk are known to patrol the halls of the tower or wait in one spot in case of intruders. Lone Trainers are generally not considered too much of a threat; More powerful Trainers, large groups, and especially vandals are met with hostility, and Golett and Golurk responding to threats are often accompanied by the tower’s Mienfoo, Mienshao, and Druddigon. (See Social Structure.)

Plasma Castle Golett and Golurk, being a different population, act somewhat differently, and generally less organized, alternating between stationary guarding and patrolling seemingly at random. They began to inhabit the area soon after team Plasma abandoned the fortress, partially on their own and partially due to specimens from captive “breeding” programs being released there.

Diet

Although they are artificially created, Golett and Golurk require sustenance like any other Pokemon, though noticeably less than organic Pokemon. In the case of this species, as with most Ghost Pokemon, sustenance comes from emotional “radiation”, specifically that caused by fear. Golurk feed on the emotional “waste energy” created by fearful beings, caused by the suppression of other emotions. This makes them even more valuable for use as guards, as capitalizing on the fear of intruders gives them a huge advantage.

Interestingly, these Pokemon have been recorded absorbing some organic food, such as berries and sweet treats like Casteliacones. These will not provide proper sustenance if fed over a long period of time, however.

Hazards

Despite their size, Golett are extremely strong, and care should be taken when instructing them to handle living beings or anything else delicate.

Golurk are even stronger, and larger, and present even more of a hazard. Their sheer size and strength combined with their protective tendencies means they can crush or pummel anything they deem “hostile”, resulting in serious injury or death for the victim. It is therefore vital to train a captive Golurk to distinguish friend from foe early, lest such incidents occur.

Additionally, the wide range of attacks known by this line also presents a hazard, from energy-laced punches to seismic tremors, and have a high risk of damaging property if a Trainer is not careful.

The seal on a Golurk’s chest should never be removed under any circumstances, as it will cause the Golurk’s internal energy, and the Golurk itself, to spiral out of control. This can lead to the serious injury or death of not only the Golurk, but also to that of any people or Pokemon in the vicinity.

Golurk’s flying abilities also have hazards for riders. Methods of securing oneself are recommended, due to the high speeds at which Golurk can fly. In addition, the energy emitted by Golurk’s jets can inflict severe burns on riders that aren’t careful.

More mundane hazards include Golurk’s size causing it to bump into doorways and delicate objects, causing major damage.

When confronted by a Golett line member it is best to have a Water, Grass, Ice, Dark, or Ghost type on hand; if one is not available, a Repel can serve a similar purpose.

Social Structure

The most studied population of this line is the Dragonspiral Tower population, which has a complex social structure akin to that of the local Druddigon and to a lesser extent the Mienfoo and Mienshao.

The Dragonspiral Tower Golett and Golurk are organized into three groups: Tower repair specialists, guards, and interspecies assistants. Some shuffling between the two groups occurs, in “shifts” that are determined by factors such as weather, seasons, and wild Pokemon and human activity near the tower.

Tower repair specialists consist mostly of Golett, and focus on maintaining the ruins of the tower so that it doesn’t collapse from decay. They gather materials and resources from areas out of reach of humans, then use them to repair broken supports, pathways, and other areas vital to keeping the tower erect and habitable.

Guards consist mostly of Golurk, and focus on defending the tower from intrusion. They take turns either patrolling the halls and paths or acting as sentinels, and often assist Druddigon, Mienfoo, and Mienshao in attacking and driving off intruders to the tower, as well as vice-versa.

Interspecies assistants, a fairly even mix of both morphs, perform various tasks for the Druddigon, Mienfoo, and Mienshao living in the tower, acting in a multitude of roles such as sparring partners, surrogate “nurses” protecting young individuals, and acting as bodyguards for elder, high-ranking individuals of both species.

Plasma Castle Golett and Golurk are less defined in terms of role, and they have no interspecies assistant group. However, recent observations show they are not only getting more organized, but starting to organize other mons in the ruins as well, indicating a similar social structure to those in Dragonspiral Tower may develop eventually.

In Human Culture

Golett and Golurk were often used as warriors and bodyguards in ancient times. Since then, they have enjoyed a mostly positive perception in the eyes of humanity. They are still used as guards (especially for major political events and other special occasions), construction workers, and rescue Pokemon in modern times, and their historical relevance and general public appeal means they often serve as mascots for things such as historical preservation, military efforts, or public safety. The good reputation of these Pokemon has even infiltrated Internet culture, with memes like “Good Guy Golurk” macros.

In terms of pop-culture, these Pokemon have been the inspiration for a slew of fictional humanoid robots, giant and otherwise. Some are suits of armor, others are sentient in their own right, some are ridden by other Pokemon, some are guardians as they are in in history, some are sleazy, some are superheroes, and yet others have elemental powers. The list of robots and other mechanical beings modeled at least in part off of the Golett line is incredibly long, and will likely continue to get longer.

Questions, comments, concerns, all appreciated.

(And I think Cynthia is fine having Giratina.)

edited 23rd Feb '13 4:12:38 AM by Umbramatic

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 7324 rmctagg09, Sat, 9th Feb '13 6:26:42 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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Looks good Umbra, though I have suggestions:

  • Perhaps you should add to Hazards what you should do when confronted by a Golett Line member. (Ex. Repels, weaknesses, stats)
  • Mention how trained Golett and Golurk can learn Gravity.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

It's typed rmctagg09.
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Also note how the line CAN breed with several Silicon-Based Pokemon and probably call out the ties to the guys at Route 4 and such.

Also SO COOL!
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