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The PokÚdex - Extended Fanon Edition:

Outer Cloyster
Compared to other articles that have been written, you're making direct references to stats which other articles have not done. I am not sure whether that should be reworded or not.

In other news, I swear that one day I'll formally launch the Shuckle article. One day. Uni is a terrifying monstrosity at the moment, but I'll be free of it in a few weeks.

Shadow
[up][up][up] Thanks for the heads up i knew there was something i wanted to add to it.

[up][up] Whoops forgot about that bit. And yeah grammar isn't one of my strong points but i'll do what i can.

[up] Tweaked it so the reference isn't as strong.
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Outer Cloyster
Another thought; how would anyone have been able to reliably test the effect of Judgment on Lightning Rod? Metronome is unreliable and the only other thing that gets Judgment is Arceus. Which makes it difficult to test. Given the link with Hidden Power you may just want to say something about it not working on attacks that seem to suddenly and unexpectedly manifest electrical energy. Or something.

 6204 Silent Reverence, Mon, 24th Oct '11 9:52:43 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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Habitat reads too simple and too macro, but I'm not sure what else has the canon given us in this respect. I guess it is safe to say they are found in other regions, at least, in about the same vein other Unovan species have.

Also, the reference to the sequel is not really needed, and might get complains (we have alreayd had complains from the use of references it seems). The pothole in the main reference could also be shorter, we don't need to be that reminded of what show are we refering to. Also, on behalf of Luke, why no MLP:FiM reference as well?

edited 24th Oct '11 9:56:40 PM by SilentReverence

 6205 Justice Man, Mon, 24th Oct '11 9:53:40 PM from Maryland !
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Biblical accounts of battles?
Shadow
[up][up][up]Good thinking, changed

edited 24th Oct '11 9:55:23 PM by Shadow6666

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 6207 Swampertrox, Tue, 25th Oct '11 4:22:54 AM from Abandoned Ship Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mage of Life
[up] Actually, Sketch and whatever the name of the other move-copying move is.
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 6208 Silent Reverence, Tue, 25th Oct '11 9:36:44 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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...How would the power of a Smeargle sketched Judgment compare to the real thing though (because, really, there's not way that a Smeargle can Sketch ay Groudon and then go around terraforming continents), and how would we determine that the abscence of the Lightningrod effect is not a function of the power output?
 6209 Geostomp, Tue, 25th Oct '11 10:07:45 AM from Arkansas, USA Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, she is imaginary
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I prefer the idea that pokemon have aspects of all their possible Abilities, but only express the one that they possess in greater concentration. What is expressed is determined by a combination of genetics and environmental factors. Dream World Abilities are harder to justify, but that little feature is a nightmare to explain in real-world terms at best.
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 6210 Silent Reverence, Tue, 25th Oct '11 11:03:12 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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The way I go for the Nidoran article, and that other articles seem to do as well, is that Abilities are a categorization of a series of physiological or behavioural traits. As such, physiological traits could be (commonly) mutually exclusive and they could also be inherited (a mechanic faintly present in the games); behavioural traits are taught by their cultureset and as such they are closer to the PMD treatment of skills (IQ groups with stacking abilities).

For my particular example, Poison Point and Motherly Pheromone (as well as Crystal Type where available) being a physiological trait, whereas Rivalry, Territoriality and perhaps Hustle and Sheer Force would be behavioural.

Theoretically, a singularly named Ability could be a manifestation of combined physiological and behavioural traits. Mold Breaker, Gastro Acid, Steadfast and Aftermath sound to me like they would work that way, however that'll require more discussion on our interpretation of the abilities.

edited 25th Oct '11 11:05:29 AM by SilentReverence

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Because a Smergle's stats are no where near Arceus'?
 6212 Swampertrox, Tue, 25th Oct '11 11:40:59 AM from Abandoned Ship Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mage of Life
[up]x4: Smeargle can't Sketch a Groudon and terraform continents because that wouldn't be a move. Smeargle can Sketch Judgement because it is a move and so they can use it; even if the power output would be weaker the effect would be the same and testable.
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 6213 Silent Reverence, Tue, 25th Oct '11 11:53:24 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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...Why can a Smeargle only Sketch a "move"? Why can the act of pushing one's body against the opponent (be it Ram, Tackle, Swoop, Quick Attack, Slam, Body Slam) be Sketched when it equals a "move" and not the action itself?

I know I'm going too thin, but mechanics of the kind of Metronome / Assist / Sketch to require questioning stuff like that.

(Although, going by Anime, body motions with beginning with Uppercase are moves because they do something that envelopes the self with energy and make it spin, glow or shine, or whatever)
 6214 Tangent 128, Tue, 25th Oct '11 11:54:39 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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[up][up]You're taking a bit of a prescriptive approach to "moves", there. tongue

A "move" is a technique, possibly used for locomotion or battle. But it's a pattern of action, not a thing with existence outside of classification systems.

EDIT: ninja'd

edited 25th Oct '11 11:55:20 AM by Tangent128

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 6215 rmctagg09, Tue, 25th Oct '11 2:21:13 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Speaking of Smeargle, how they learn moves through Sketch may explain why they're unable to learn any TM or HM moves.
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 6216 Swampertrox, Tue, 25th Oct '11 3:09:41 PM from Abandoned Ship Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mage of Life
[up] Can't they learn them through Sketch?

[up][up][up] Regular Groudons can't terraform, though. If you find a Groudon, it won't be able to do that, so Smeargle can't, but Arceus can use Judgement. Also, moves are something done in battle. A Smeargle could copy a method of attacking but not, say, a method of swimming.

edited 25th Oct '11 3:11:24 PM by Swampertrox

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 6217 The Hero Hartmut, Tue, 25th Oct '11 3:46:33 PM from Ireland Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
And that, as they say, is that.
I think he meant justifying why Smeargle can't learn a move through the use of a TM or HM on it. How are said machines being defined, here? The discs?
Shadow
Modified the references as per the suggestions.
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 6219 memyselfand I 2, Tue, 25th Oct '11 8:50:34 PM from The Biosphere Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Brrr.
Claiming the Chimecho line.
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 6220 Tangent 128, Tue, 25th Oct '11 9:05:33 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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[up][up][up][up] Isn't Groudon, you know, the Groudon? Very much able to do what it did, assuming the legends weren't completely fabricated.

edited 25th Oct '11 9:05:52 PM by Tangent128

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 6221 Silent Reverence, Tue, 25th Oct '11 9:26:53 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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Well, the games canon does show Groudon capable of localized terramorphing, I guess it is safe to assume equivalent power ability for Kyogre as well. Dunno about the multiplicity of Weather Trios, but I'd say it is safe to assume only one, because if there are more, with their powers displayed, they'd have to keep too far from each other for different trios to have made it into all the generation regions so far (except perhaps Unova).

edited 25th Oct '11 9:29:11 PM by SilentReverence

 6222 Swampertrox, Wed, 26th Oct '11 4:30:13 AM from Abandoned Ship Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mage of Life
[up][up] It can terraform, but my point was that terraforming isn't a method of attacking in battle.
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 6223 Tangent 128, Wed, 26th Oct '11 10:54:16 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Does whether an action is done "during a battle" really make a difference to a mimicker, though?
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 6224 Swampertrox, Wed, 26th Oct '11 11:25:26 AM from Abandoned Ship Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mage of Life
[up] I haven't seen any evidence of Smeargle being able to copy random actions anywhere. Sketch seems to just be able to copy any way to attack. In any case, the original question was whether Smeargle could Sketch Judgement effectively and since it can Sketch any battle technique the answer is yes.
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 6225 Troll Post, Wed, 26th Oct '11 11:34:05 AM from troll post crusher

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