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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#4701: Apr 6th 2011 at 7:52:51 AM

@Marioguy: Well, we don't want to ignore anything completely. The anime usually requires a lot of reinterpretation, but a lot of it is still useful.

"Haven't watched/played it" is an acceptable excuse, of course. Though others may be able to drop interesting facts in.

(And for that matter, I think we did have a lot of the funding for the Cinnabar labs coming from underworld sources. At the least it helps explain why the Teams have such cutting-edge technology.)

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Locoman Since: Nov, 2010
#4702: Apr 6th 2011 at 7:55:34 AM

So, for the Golett line: I was thinking that the line's ghost-typing comes from having a Yamask forcefully inserted into a clay body. The evolution into a Golurk comes from the Yamask evolving, the energy drastically shifting the outward shell into a new form.

Sound good?

Idler20 Rabbit Season Since: Oct, 2010
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#4703: Apr 6th 2011 at 7:58:39 AM

One of the Gollett Pokedex entries says that no-one can identify the energy that keeps it running.

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Locoman Since: Nov, 2010
#4704: Apr 6th 2011 at 7:59:41 AM

OK.

Then perhaps it's some other kind of unidentified Ghost-type Pokemon?

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
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#4705: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:02:27 AM

I was thinking you should be more broad and say they used "spirits", avoiding mention of specific Pokemon. There really isn't any reason for Yamask, specifically, to be involved here.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4706: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:03:33 AM

Personally, I wouldn't attempt to tie Yamask with Golett, the two seem to be radically different as Ghost-types. Golett are essentially animate robots with funky typing created to defend a tower (it's the only spot where they're encountered in-game), whereas Yamask are entities that seem to have a connection with the personas of long-dead people. Also, the two don't seem to have a lot in common when it comes down to battle style (which should be there if Golett construction involves Yamask). Also, some explanation of how Golett are capable of reproducing beyond artificial construction is needed, and "casting a 'mon that doesn't live in your same area into a lump of clay" doesn't seem to be a particularly elegant solution...

Of course, this could just be me being picky...

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#4707: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:04:40 AM

I argree with Neo. I don't think having Golett be a Yamask inside a clay body is a pleasant thought.

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Locoman Since: Nov, 2010
#4708: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:06:03 AM

Probably not a Yamask then. Just some kind of unidentified Ghost Pokemon that's now extinct or something. My big idea for them is that no more can be created, but they have astonishingly long lifespans and usually outlive their Trainers.

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
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#4709: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:09:04 AM

That doesn't explain why they can breed. Unless whatever sorcery created them made them actual living creatures fully capable of reproducing.

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#4710: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:09:26 AM

Problem is, the Golett line can breed.

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Idler20 Rabbit Season Since: Oct, 2010
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#4711: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:09:28 AM

But it's possible to hatch a Gollett from an egg.

EDIT: The ninjas are out in force today I see.

edited 6th Apr '11 8:10:00 AM by Idler20

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4712: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:10:16 AM

^x4 I would vehemently disagree with making it so that a non-legendary can't reproduce. Namely because it blatantly voids a significant element of game canon, and also because it just seems like a cop out when we already have a majorly weird method of reproduction for Ghost-types and have bizarre entities such as Siglyph reproducing (in some truly funky ways, to boot).

edited 6th Apr '11 8:10:32 AM by TracerBullet

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Locoman Since: Nov, 2010
#4713: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:10:31 AM

Two Golurk/Golett build a body before their spirit energy fissions amoeba-style, so that a small portion of their life-force animates the Golett.

How's that?

Also, I didn't know they could breed...

edited 6th Apr '11 8:11:04 AM by Locoman

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#4715: Apr 6th 2011 at 8:12:53 AM

And this, gentlemen, is why we do research on our subjects before writing articles about them.

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#4716: Apr 6th 2011 at 9:25:34 AM

[up] Nods in agreement.

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JusticeMan You complete me. from Maryland ! Since: Mar, 2011
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#4717: Apr 6th 2011 at 9:42:02 AM

If we're going for consistency, my Article has them as one of the MANY, different pokemon the Route 4 guys bred; in this case they used their Schizo Tech to build artificial bodies for a local population of ghost pokemon that is now extinct in the wild outside the ones with bodies.

Darmanitan, Yamask, Cofagrius, Sigilglyph, Volcorona, Larvesta, Golett and Golurk were all bred by the Yongosen people.

edited 6th Apr '11 9:50:29 AM by JusticeMan

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#4718: Apr 6th 2011 at 3:58:21 PM

[up] Um....what?

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Sorry about Sigilyph, it was all I could think of.

Also, can I launch the Sandile article?

edited 6th Apr '11 3:59:28 PM by memyselfandI2

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JusticeMan You complete me. from Maryland ! Since: Mar, 2011
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#4719: Apr 7th 2011 at 11:20:09 AM

Ok, I removed everything that wasn’t explicitly made canon by the games or other articles; I had to add there collapse because it was the only logical way I could explain an entire civilization disappearing in the New World without a major Ass Pull. All the data is based off Pokedex Articles, and the Sigilgliph, Yamask, Larvesta, and proposed Golett articles.

The RFC

The Route Four Civilization was an indigenous civilization that existed in the current Unova Route 4, from the year -10XX to 18XX, when their state was formally dissolved by the National Government.

History

The RFC are though to be descendents of the earlier Houses of Black and White , which were destroyed in the succession Wars of -7XXX , although they seem to be cultural distinct; with the feudal Patriarchal society of the Houses of Black and White being replaced with a monarchal society, lead by a dynasty of monarchs. The society existed in various states of development in its history but by the year they contacted the old world they had been severely limited to the point where the National Government dissolved there state in 18XX.

Breeding

The most standing testament to the RFC was there incredible development in there breeding of species. No less than eight recorded morphs are known to have existed in high status in the RFC Society. The people were known to have bred Yamask and Cofagrius as guards for the spiraling tombs and Larvesta and Volcarona were worshiped as holy beings of the suns in the nation.

Most notable in there exploits is there engineering of the Golett line. These Pokémon thought to merely be anachronistic automatons were revealed by Doctor James Turner of GFU to actually be brilliantly designed inhabitation modules, devolved by the RFC to house native populations of the thought extinct ghost Pokémon A. maton . The constructs were noted to be of such well design that there are no native, un-housed members of the line in the wild, and the breeding was through enough to compel all mated members to compulsive create constructs for there young from the local environment. Both the breeding methods taken and the designs of the Constructs are unknown to any but, elder RFC Sages, who in this day an age are all but extinct.

A perhaps most stunning example of their breeding skills is seen in the manipulation of local Darmanitan populations. Darmanitan, a Pokémon known for violence aggressiveness and overall physical strength, was bred to, when significantly damaged, enter a clam Psychic state, of self-meditation and reflection. Blocked out from all outside influences, the special abilities of the Darmanitan increase by over three thousand permil and it gains significant defensive abilities as well as techniques classified by the Pokémon League as those of Psyche type; a method of Pokémon type changing not to be seen until the creation of Castform in 200X some 3000 years later. All attempts to recreate this stock of Darmanitan have failed, and currently the only source is form the population still hosted at the gates of Relic Castle.

There skills extend farther out as well, the Sigilyph were so heavily and well bred by the RFC that even now, populations invariably flock to Relic Castle , the former site of the RFC Capital which archeo-anthropologists believe they and others were used as Guardians.

Collapse

Military instability instigated by the old worlders lead to the Nation being severely dilapidated, until in 18XX the National Government dissolved here state.

Modern Times

Currently Descendants of the RFC people live throughout Unova and its neighboring regions.

In popular Culture, RFC artwork has been the inspiration for many modern artistic designs and, the Pokémon bred there have been the source of countless films and movies.

Legacy

The RFC Society is survived by the Pokémon they bred; even today their breeding techniques are nearly irreproducible and the Pokémon he keep cling to there old functions, guarding empty castles, patrolling an area for intruders that will never come, or waiting patiently at the gates of there master’s, home, hoping for a master to return that is long dead.

edited 8th Apr '11 3:44:39 PM by JusticeMan

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
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#4720: Apr 7th 2011 at 11:55:55 AM

[up]Uh, what? Who the heck are those people?

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
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#4722: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:14:33 PM

... Is that even allowed?

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4723: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:15:40 PM

^x4 It doesn't seem bad per se... But considering how much this historical fluff affects other fluff related to Unova, it probably merits more than a little group discussion than we typically devote to articles (Region-shaping articles + unilateralism generally doesn't make a very nice mixture.)...

edited 7th Apr '11 12:15:51 PM by TracerBullet

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#4725: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:39:09 PM

Uh...

This might be pushing the envelope a tad. Expanding on details is fine, but making up something entirely?


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