The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition:

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A little while back, I did bring up the idea of Rescue Teams in the main universe, albeit quite different from the PMD interpretation.
Elvis landed in a rocket ship, healed a couple of leopards, then disappeared. But where was his beard?
Just one thing: Species interaction, general guidelines. For example, do Gyarados and Milotic have synergy? Can Zangoose and Seviper be trained to cooperate and even care for each other? I think we'd need something about that.
3453 Tangent12825th Feb 2011 04:48:42 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
They are worth examining.

The Zangoose-Seviper conflict... I guess a lot of that depends on if their conflict is genetic or cultural.
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3454 Blissey125th Feb 2011 05:20:41 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
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while describing species interactions does seem like a neat idea, it seems to me that you'd be better off just describing entire ecological systems at that point, which seems a bit out of our league, if you ask me.

it would only really work if we kept it constrained to particularly notable interaction between species, like seviper/zangoose or mantine/remoraid, which we already cover in their individual articles.
^^ Well, we have written about some species of Pokemon hunting others in the wild... I'd assume that most herbivorous Pokemon would either stick together or ignore one another, while more territorial/aggressive species would either attack or chase others. I think it varies depending on species.
Elvis landed in a rocket ship, healed a couple of leopards, then disappeared. But where was his beard?
3456 Tangent12825th Feb 2011 07:33:32 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Me and Silent are in the chat room ("pokédex" on salon.tropi.us, use an XMPP/Jabber client.) right now. Feel free to drop by, we could use more idea-bouncers.
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3457 CalamityJane25th Feb 2011 08:18:49 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
Am I too late for that chat thing? I was at a wedding.
3458 Tangent12825th Feb 2011 08:31:30 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Still going!
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3459 Blissey125th Feb 2011 08:53:25 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
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hmm...I guess I might as well try downloading a client and see how this stuff works...
3460 CalamityJane25th Feb 2011 08:54:21 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
It's fun. Right now we're talking about Pokeballs + Cat overlords + Palkia + Evil Teams.
3461 Blissey125th Feb 2011 09:00:31 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
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err...how do I join a chat room? I got Citron as a client and made a jabber acount

edited 25th Feb '11 9:03:22 PM by Blissey1

3462 TracerBullet25th Feb 2011 09:06:22 PM from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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Just got Adium, so I take it that I'm supposed to use the "IRC" setting?
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3463 Tangent12825th Feb 2011 09:06:39 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
No, XMPP (aka Jabber).
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3464 SilentReverence25th Feb 2011 09:16:07 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition's chatroom

As of Feb 2011, the Project has a chatroom courtesy of Tangent. The chatroom URI is:

xmpp://pokédex@salon.tropi.us

(Note the "é" as in Pokémon)

For quick instructions: first you need to either register a Jabber account (jabber.org or similar) EDIT or use an account that supports XMPP like Google (thanks Tangent!). Connect to that account using your client, and request the chatroom pokédex@salon.tropi.us. Done.

There are logs available at the address http://wild.tropi.us/logn/read.lua.cgi?log=pefe. A calendar view is in the works. Previous dates can be reached in the log via the upper links and/or adding the &date=YYMMDD argument to the URL.

Adding an Account to Pidgin:

  • Edit Menu, Accounts, Add New Account.
  • Protocol: XMPP
  • Username: the "user" in your user@jabber.org, for example
  • Domain: the "jabber.org" in your user@jabber.org, for example
  • Resource: leave empty and bookmark a chat connection when appropriate

Adding a chatroom:

  • Friends menu, add a chat...
  • Select the running account (you must be connected to it).
  • Chatroom: pokédex (note the é)
  • Server: salon.tropi.us
  • Handle: your handle (if you leave it empty, it is your username)

...Or connecting via a web interface

If you don't (or can't) want to mess around with a Jabber-capable client, you can connect via a web interface like http://wild.tropi.us/pokédex.

Most of this implementation courtesy of Tangent 128.

edited 22nd Nov '11 8:24:49 AM by SilentReverence

3465 Tangent12825th Feb 2011 09:17:20 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Also: a Gmail address counts as an XMPP account. With minor hiccups, however.
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3466 TracerBullet25th Feb 2011 09:44:26 PM from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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Oh yeah, now's as good of a time as any, but I noticed that we didn't have a Gligar article...

So...

It's kinda called now...

Present Queue:

  • Riolu
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  • Gligar
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3467 Blissey125th Feb 2011 09:49:23 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
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So, an idea. Way back, in the primoridal soup of the pokeverse, the very first spark of life happened twice. One of these primitive single celled organisms became humans and any other regular plants/animals in the pokeverse. This other single celled organism become led to pokemon, apricorns, and maybe berries. This would totally provide a reason for apricorns/pokeballs only working on pokemon, for, as mentioned in the chat, they would share a genome, or something like that.

Of course, given the various creation myths, and the whole physical gods thing, I'm not sure how well the theory would mesh. Sort of a creationism vs. evolution type thing.

still, I just wanted to throw that out there.
3468 SilentReverence25th Feb 2011 09:51:57 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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Not a bad idea, but one thing to note is that, at least going by the games (not countin Gameplay and Story Segregation), and apparently the manga (Emerald arc I believe), Pokéballs can and do hold items such as, well, items like rare candies and perhaps what else. I highly doubt Pokéballs are limited to Pokémon.

Just leaving that there.

EDIT: In the anime, Ash has caught items in Pokéballs at least twice, one during the first episode. I think the anime should be highly doubted though. I mean, a Charizard beating an Articuno?

edited 25th Feb '11 9:55:32 PM by SilentReverence

3469 Blissey125th Feb 2011 10:12:16 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
3470 rmctagg0925th Feb 2011 11:00:52 PM from Brooklyn, NY , Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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3471 Marioguy12825th Feb 2011 11:03:40 PM from various galaxies
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[up][up][up]Hey, a Charizard beating Articuno is possible.
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3472 Rainbow26th Feb 2011 05:14:14 AM , Relationship Status: Puppy love
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Doesn't Charizard have an elemental advantage over Articuno? If the Charizard was the level of Red's in HGSS and the Articuno was the level 50 one you get in the Kanto games, the Charizard would have a very good chance of winning.

That is a bit more inconsistent for the anime, though, since the anime tends to portray the legendaries as MORE powerful than the games do, since in the games you can fight them with sufficiently trained Com Mons, but in the anime it usually just shows the legendaries only truly being able to fight each other (excepting that Articuno thing mentioned and probably some other instances that I'm not aware of, but multiple times it seems to involve Ash's Charizard).

edited 26th Feb '11 5:14:39 AM by Rainbow

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And Pikachu. And Sceptile. Those 3 had beaten legendaries one on one.

Also, there is no such thing as primordial soup, that is just one of those theories that pop culture keeps using but got disproven in the 70's or so. I know more of evolution that of abiogenesis, but I know that.

And, parallel evolution from before there were cells? Erm, there are more things in the world that humans and Pokemon; what is the Pokerus, for example? And, having a chimp closer to a robot that to a human, doesn't go well with me. I'm inclined to say that humans in the Pokemon universe are also Pokemon. Specially with the bunch of them that have supernatural abilities.

I'd still advocate for the existance of other animals; right now, without counting legendaries, we only have 275 distinct lineages. Having a world populated with just 276 is odd; there are more species of just BIRDS in the UK, IIRC. Having such a restricted biodiversity strikes me as odd. I think the "normal" creatures remain on a status of existing and not existing at the same time, until we get a Pokemon of that kind; just not seen.

Also, what about plants? We have at the same time normal trees, berries that fully grow is a few days at most, and trees that bear fruit once a day and those fruits act either as steroids, or as space-distrorsion things. There is normal fruit and food apart of berries or Pokemon; riceballs are not made of any berry, yet they exist.

This is an expanded universe, lets be realist. Torpedo rays have not caused the rest of rays to become extinct. We can say that Pokemon are as variable and numerous as real animals, but only a few are shown.

Plus, humans have to be Pokemon, or animals. Or settled extraterrestrials that have forgotten that a long time ago, but that is somewhat contradictorian with the "getting taught by Palkia" lore. Still, the teleporting, spacial compresion and instant healing tech could have been retro engineered from long lost tech of them.
3474 SilentReverence26th Feb 2011 06:31:59 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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Well, my theory is that humans are the remnants of a Generation Ship  *. It doesn't contradict the theory of Palkia teaching that much, since during the ages specific branches of technology may have been lost or altered too much to count significantly (geolocation and harvesting being the most likely ones in my opinion). The only practical issue with the Palkia teachings theory would be the amount of time between the now and then. Vehicles (up to and including megaships), instant healing and energy storage look like technologies that could have been retroengineered. Also a Generation Ship theory has the advantage that it doesn't require humanity to bring along all species from Earth or whatever; just samples and/or genetic information of some. Perhaps some of that genetic information was never used. It also helps explain "artificial" Pokémon, in particular Castform and the Regi trio.

On the Legendaries thing, I'd call GaSS on the behaviour the games exhibit, as Arceus is specifically shown as creating another (our?) universe of sorts, regardless of how in game statistics they are just as well beatable with a top-percentage Rattata. The anime shows a more realistic and far less exhibited perspective of what their power might be. Also, that's the bad thing about the anime: normal mons or even humans beating up Legendaries to a pulp is not a scarce ocurrence. The three Regithings were beaten by Ash, particularly by Pikachu spamming the same move again and again despite Regice (I think) having fully restored between "turns"; also Articuno and a Darkrai were pretty badly beaten, and who knows what else am I missing series-wise. Giratina was conquered and essentially killed by a measly machine she hay as well have Dragon Clawed in one hit (that thing really looked fragile). Two of the three birds were caught pretty easily; Raikou suffered a similar fate. Zapdos was forces into happy servitude to a Ranger and Team Rocket has somehow got hold of a Rayquaza. Arceus Himself was taken out for hundreds of years by a bit of electricity and silverwater asphalt, apparently.

As for humans, it makes sense for them to be a sustantially (but not necessarily fundamentally) different creature than Pokémon are, given there are plants like ours, apparently, and it would make sense that there should be also plankton and microbia like ours (I don't see how the hordes of sea Pokémon could maintain themselves otherwise). They lack some broad attributes Pokémon have, particularly the concept of metamorphosis. And life, Pokémon or otherwise, is canonically not limited to that "blue planet". Let's also consider that those humans must be breathing our-kind-of oxygen too, but then, it is fairly obvious those humans are somewhat different from us: stronger and more resilant, and probably mature faster too.

edited 26th Feb '11 6:38:34 AM by SilentReverence

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While you could call the Worf Effect on lot of those examples, remember that legendaries, while universally powerful (though not necessarily powerful in the sense that one can wipe your team out without trying), aren't all on the same tier as Arceus.

Manipulating time doesn't automatically go hand in hand with great combative prowess, as an example, and in fact the Celebi in the two movies I've seen with them were both pushovers without some sort of assistance.


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