The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition:

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3376 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 02:24:44 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
My Lumper Detect-o-meter is tingling. I am obliged to say no, unless it's like a folder-ish type thing that redirects to the individual pages.
3377 Tangent12820th Feb 2011 02:44:48 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The articles on the individual lines/legendaries would still be the main event, I'd assume. Just, there would also be articles discussing in more detail the connections between them. And connections are very good for presenting an immersive world.

I don't think there'd be an overview article on the starters, though, since I believe we concluded way back when that, like in the games/manga, trainers do not have their starter provided by the League. Typically they get their starter from their family or a close friend. Else, they may catch a bug / Com Mon Safari-style.

The grass/water/fire trios are common starters simply because, being well-domesticatible, they are common housepets.

edited 20th Feb '11 2:45:20 PM by Tangent128

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^ My theory on the grass/fire/water collection is that they're the Pokemon world's equivalent of the national animal, and they help to symbolize the region.
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3379 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 03:04:06 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
[up]THIS. That is a perfect way to explain the Starters, and I am totally adding that to my Headcanon.

Oh, and BTW, Palkia is up and running.

edited 20th Feb '11 3:04:16 PM by CalamityJane

3380 SilentReverence20th Feb 2011 03:10:38 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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↑↑Wouldn't that require one region/country == one wholly different set of starters, no species shared? It would be too much of a coincidence that there are as many countries as there are starter trios, and going the other way around it would be far too much of a coincidence that there are as many triples of three-level species of three specific types per geographical area...

↓Forgotten the Ranger games. Yeah, works for me. cool

edited 20th Feb '11 3:15:50 PM by SilentReverence

3381 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 03:14:10 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
The Pokemon Ranger nations don't have national pokemon. Methinks it works more like 'A Country that Participates in the Pokemon League Structures have Starter Pokemon as their National Pokemon' rather than 'Every Country has a National Starter Trio'
3382 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 03:43:51 PM from behind your lines.
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Notice that all the starters are given away by Professor and all the beginner trainers you fight early game use Com Mons. It's possible that the traditional starter trios are actually the exception rather than the rule.

Case B, Wally's Starter was a Ralts and was never offered a Torchic or something.
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3383 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 04:57:37 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
If that's the case, then how come Sinnoh has so many trainers with Starter Pokemon?
3384 Tangent12820th Feb 2011 04:59:45 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
I assume they're common pets, so a lot of trainers will start with one anyways.
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3385 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 07:52:17 PM from behind your lines.
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If that's the case, then how come Sinnoh has so many trainers with Starter Pokemon?

What do mean so many? I remember only Gardenia, Flint, and a couple trainers in Victory Road with starters that's still a significant minority.

edited 20th Feb '11 7:54:36 PM by Neo_Crimson

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3386 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 07:53:34 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
There's a number of Lasses, Picnickers, Campers and Youngsters early on that have Starter Pokemon. I distinctly remember a Picnicker with a Piplup.
3387 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 08:03:56 PM from behind your lines.
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That's still a handful against multitudes of trainers without them, unless they ALL ditched their assigned starters for Com Mons.

Unless the starter selection is actually town to town instead of region to region.
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3388 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 08:06:19 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
Hmm... maybe Starter Pokemon are on par with Oak-Approved Pokedexes in that in the games they're only given out to people that the local Professors have the utmost trust in?

edited 20th Feb '11 8:06:27 PM by CalamityJane

3389 Marioguy12820th Feb 2011 08:09:36 PM from various galaxies
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Well In-Universe, starter Pokemon are meant to be CrutchCharacters. So they're supposed to be given back after a trainer got their first Pokemon.
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3390 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 08:12:21 PM from behind your lines.
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[up][up]Exactly, I'm guessing that starters are very rare Pokemon (notice how never find them in the wild) that are bred in special ranches that only people with connections can access.

As much as I hate the anime, I also have to point out that Professors DO give away starters to trainers once in a while but its always to only 3 or 4 and it is nearly always portrayed as kind of a big deal. Especially with Oak.

[up] The only example I can think of is Wally, and that Zigzagoon wasn't even a starter so much as a rental.

edited 20th Feb '11 8:14:38 PM by Neo_Crimson

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The only time someone's done anything like that is Wally with the Zigzagoon he borrowed from Norman to get his actual starter.

edited 20th Feb '11 8:13:33 PM by Hashil

3392 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 08:16:28 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
Yeah, I think maybe the kids go to their local gym leader to borrow a pokemon so that they can go out safely and catch their own starter. And the particularly brave ones go out and do it Safari-Style.
3393 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 08:20:05 PM from behind your lines.
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OR they could join the gyms themselves and get their first Pokemon to train within the gym.

Since gyms are supposed to be dojos, I assume that's what they're FOR.
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3394 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 08:21:49 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
I thought Gyms were just a place for the pokemon to train by battling other pokemon. You know, like a Karate Gym or an RL gymnasium.

edited 20th Feb '11 8:22:09 PM by CalamityJane

3395 Tangent12820th Feb 2011 08:25:43 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Off the top of my head, starter stuff I can remember:
  • Anime:
    • Starters get officially distributed by the Profs, and apparently Pokémon Centers in other towns. It's apparently an organized thing; Dawn got a postcard with the options in advance.
    • Still, most trainers encountered don't seem to have one of the typical starters.
    • Starters are seen in the wild often enough.
  • Mainline Games:
    • The main character and their hometown rival get their starters from the Professor; the player gets it as more of special present, though, while the hometown rival is usually related to the professor. (Barry is in the same boat as the player, Silver flat-out stole theirs.)
    • Most trainers fought don't have one of the trio.
    • Starters are never seen in the wild.
  • Random Other Games:
    • Mystery Dungeon: You are your starter.
    • Colosseum: You've had your starters for a while. How'd you get them? No idea. Hopefully not stolen...
    • XD: I have no clue. Still need to play it.
    • Snap: Starters seen in the wild, in large groups.
  • Manga:
    • Protagonists get their starters from the Professor under special circumstances.
    • I forget how frequently they're seen elsewhere.

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As an addendum to that, nearly every protagonist in the manga already had a Pokémon before they got their "traditional" starter.
3397 CalamityJane20th Feb 2011 08:32:31 PM from None of your business , Relationship Status: Robosexual
Well, from what I've seen over at the Fluff-Mobile, almost everyone there had a 'Traditional' Starter, though I can always retcon my character's starter from a Torchic to an Ampharos and there's nothing in the rulebook saying we can't just ignore it for the purposes of each article + worldbuilding.

edited 20th Feb '11 8:33:05 PM by CalamityJane

3398 Tangent12820th Feb 2011 08:35:41 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Probably most kids don't really need any help getting a starter, because parents/older siblings/pet store/Safari catching.

Many Gym Leaders probably will lend new Trainers a hand getting started, depending on their temperament. Norman obviously lent Wally a Zigzagoon for his first encounter, Bugsy would probably simply pass out some of the more exotic bugs (they breed fast! tongue). It's probably not an actual responsibility, though.
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3399 Neo_Crimson20th Feb 2011 09:13:09 PM from behind your lines.
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I thought Gyms were just a place for the pokemon to train by battling other pokemon. You know, like a Karate Gym or an RL gymnasium.

I used to do martial arts, most of what we did was learn how to fight with actual sparring left to higher level students. I assume that gyms teach students how to battle with a given type of Pokemon and let them spar with each other and/or challengers every once in a while.

Though in the anime that may not be the case, as from what I remember, gyms tend to be just big arenas and not much else.

edited 20th Feb '11 9:14:55 PM by Neo_Crimson

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3400 Blissey120th Feb 2011 10:17:03 PM from a random Pokčcenter , Relationship Status: I know
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I'm sure gyms serve as both places of learning pokemon battling and sparring with other trainers. As for acquiring a first pokemon at one, it also seems like it would be a semi-frequent thing for those who want a pokemon and have no other way of getting one, either as a rental to get their own like with Norman\Wally, or just strait up getting one at the gym.

For instance, I could imagine that residents of, say, Snowpoint City would be able to easily get(if not required to have) an ice type pokemon from the gym, purely due to the usefulness(and saftey) provided by having an ice pokemon in such a climate.

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