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The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition:

 301 Pykrete, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 7:35:15 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Gameplay and Story Segregation tongue

We're talking about a 'verse where Pikachu can drop a Regice one day, then fight an Elekid to a standstill the next because Sinnoh Is Hardcore. Seeing steadily scaling opponents regardless of surroundings or faction affiliation is a purely gameplay mechanic.

edited 2nd Apr '10 9:12:12 PM by Pykrete

 302 Deathonabun, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 7:42:58 PM from the bedroom
Bunny
On the topic of gym leaders, I imagine they have somewhere around 4 teams and switch between them based on the number of badges a trainer has. One would imagine that the trainer must, per league regulations, state the number of badges they currently have and the leader changes teams accordingly.
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 303 Kinkajou, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 7:53:07 PM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
Plus, trainers who start in different parts of the region would doubtless use a different route than the one we're used to.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 304 Tangent 128, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 7:56:33 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
dy/dx
Joining a Gym may well be the equivalent of Scouting, come to think of it.

And Pokémon Centers are presumably socialized veterinary clinics. tongue

How do I split up the posts for this mishmash, then? Lump Gyms, the Elite Four, and licensing under the League as a whole, or divvy them up?
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 305 rmctagg09, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 7:57:33 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
A certain bit of Fridge Logic, though: Why are trainers near certain areas more powerful than those near the starting town?

I don't get what you mean my South American, arboreal, racoon-related friend.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

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 306 Kinkajou, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 8:00:02 PM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
@Tangent: Let's keep 'em separated.

@mctagg: Example, trainers on the route to Sunyshore are more powerful than those on the way to Jubilife.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 307 rmctagg09, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:02:08 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Perhaps it's a matter of nutrition.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

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 308 Kinkajou, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:03:21 PM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
But that wouldn't be true of trainers, starting, say, near Snowpoint.
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 309 rmctagg09, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:16:08 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
That could be explained by the harsh conditions around Snowpoint making it such that only the toughest Pokemon could survive.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

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 310 Kinkajou, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:20:00 PM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
Nah, I'm just throwing out a hypothetical scenario wherein a trainer starts somewhere else.

Well, the Pokemon shouldn't be as obviously linear as the games illustrate.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 311 Tangent 128, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:31:42 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
dy/dx
We can assume they aren't, yeah. Probably just trainers with a large badge gap between them simply don't fight very often.

(Also, for tournament entry- do the badges have to be collected in the same year, or are they for life? Or other criteria?)
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 312 Kinkajou, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:39:30 PM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
It depends how frequently the tournaments are held.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 313 Pykrete, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 9:47:33 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
I'd put the badges/ribbons at no time constraint, but one use only. Like, you can take as long as you need for a set of 8/5, but they'll only let you into one tournament. To enter the same tournament you'd need to recollect them, again taking as much time as you need.

For my citation, Ash took a year to circle Kanto, and still had some three months before the Indigo League started. There was probably a tournament going on sometimes early in the first season.

For added giggles, try mathematically modeling how many contests had to happen in Kanto to put 270 people in the Grand Festival. If it didn't roll over like this, it basically means the staff are Time Lords.

 314 Tangent 128, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 10:41:28 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
dy/dx
Rollover doesn't really help in the Grand Festival case, unless 270 was an incredibly high number. 1350 ribbons still have to be earned each year to keep a constant 270 entrants.

Though only Contesta needs to be a Time Lord. The Joy is different every time, and Sukizo is obviously just a puppet with a sound chip. tongue

More seriously, we can assume that there's more than one panel of judges. A large town's Contest is quite possibly a weekly event- definitely monthly.

edited 2nd Apr '10 10:41:43 PM by Tangent128

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 315 Pykrete, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 10:47:28 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Not just that though. Each ribbon is won competitively from 8 or more contestants. If we're not rolling over we have to consider:

  • 5 ribbons for each of 270 Festival entrants.
  • 4 ribbons for each of some number
  • 3 for...
  • 2 for...
  • 1 for...

If the ribbons are won competitively, those last four groups may be approximated by a geometric series — as each successively lower group will be proportionally larger than the previous.

Suddenly we're not looking at 1350 ribbons anymore. At least with rollover we don't have to do that every year and those strata can move up at their own pace.

edited 2nd Apr '10 10:59:40 PM by Pykrete

 316 Enlong, Fri, 2nd Apr '10 11:27:31 PM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Example, trainers on the route to Sunyshore are more powerful than those on the way to Jubilife.

Heh. how about the fact that trainers on the way to Sunnyshore are far stronger than trainers around Lake Valor? Even though the two routes are right next to each other? If the route wasn't closed off for most of the game, you'd have taken a turn towards Sunnyshore and been annihilated by the level 40-odd 'mons after training against level 20somes.

Heck, that general area is rife with weird power spikes just by taking a different turn. Just look at the difference between wild 'mon levels in Route 214, Route 220, and the Spring Path.

I mean, what's stopping a Golduck from just waltzing out of the Sendoff Spring area and singlehandedly wiping out the Graveler population in Route 214? There's no natural walls, no rocks to smash, nothing keeping them confined into one area like that.

edited 2nd Apr '10 11:27:45 PM by Enlong

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 317 Kinkajou, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 12:26:49 AM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
It's a quirk that the games have yet to handwave.

weird power spikes

I c wut u did thar
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 318 Enlong, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 12:28:38 AM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
...I didn't.
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 319 Kinkajou, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 12:30:12 AM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
I notice unintentional puns.

Anyway, maybe... it's just a gameplay mechanic.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 320 Sonica, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 1:05:33 AM from Australia
Rune Knight
^^^^ Why would a Golduck do it, unless the Gravelers provoked it? Outside of hunting for food, territory for some Pokemon, typical rivalry, there's be no natural reason for it.

Right?

...Right?
 321 Enlong, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 1:08:46 AM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
I just picked a random species that I remembered being in the Sendoff Spring; and also a water type, to add credibility to the "taking on every graveller there" thing.

And what was the pun I made, exactly?
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 322 Kinkajou, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 1:11:39 AM from you're not your
We Do Not Sow
power spikes. Now, what was the reason you can't go to Sunyshore ASAP?
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
 323 Enlong, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 1:18:12 AM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
...Of course!
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 324 Ace Of Scarabs, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 9:02:06 AM from Singapore Relationship Status: Drift compatible
I am now a shiny stone~
I like to think of it that schools make it possible for children to become trainers as a vocational job if they are terrible at lessons but good with practical stuff. Chances are one of the subjects on the curriculum is "Pokemon 101". (Just look at the schools in Jublife, Viridian, and Violet City!)

On top of that, many newbie "amateur" trainers are not serious battlers. Most of their trainer cards are just for reasons of convenience or safety (since Researchers and high-ranked Professional Trainers Rangers can keep tabs on kid trainers for their worried parents).
 325 Pykrete, Sat, 3rd Apr '10 12:16:50 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Just out of curiosity, has anyone lived in Japan for a while? What's the American equivalent of the Japanese fifth grade? I know it's pretty horrifying to this side of the world to pack up at age ten, but their schools go faster.

I'm just wondering what the education level looks like when they get their discharge from school. There'll be the occasional egghead that would jump at online coursework, but of course not many kids that age would be so inclined tongue

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