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The PokÚdex - Extended Fanon Edition:

 3026 Calamity Jane, Sun, 6th Feb '11 6:14:35 PM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
Sadly I have never seen that specific LP yet. Though the basic idea behind Cynthia's Giratina is more or less a Screwball with an odd personality that just plain doesn't fit in. Also, I'm having trouble moving the image caption... underneath the image. The instructions on the Image Uploader are terrible, by the way.

edited 6th Feb '11 6:16:08 PM by CalamityJane

It's Mallow, not shallow.
 3027 Silent Reverence, Sun, 6th Feb '11 6:56:39 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
↑Does the source code at Zigzagoon serve you any?


[down] *snickers* Glad to be of service. cool

edited 6th Feb '11 7:14:17 PM by SilentReverence

 3028 Calamity Jane, Sun, 6th Feb '11 7:00:10 PM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
I didn't look at the Zigzagoon article yet. I'll try it out...!

IT WORKS! :D

edited 6th Feb '11 7:01:50 PM by CalamityJane

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 3029 Anomalocaris 20, Sun, 6th Feb '11 7:51:25 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride Relationship Status: In another castle
˛‗ɕ︠
...That was an awesome article. I like the cave drawing.
The EYE is protecting Exor!!
 3030 Calamity Jane, Sun, 6th Feb '11 8:37:13 PM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
Thank you :3c
It's Mallow, not shallow.
 3031 Anomalocaris 20, Sun, 6th Feb '11 8:40:28 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride Relationship Status: In another castle
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You're more than welcome! By the way, do you agree with my idea for the picture for the Deoxys article?
The EYE is protecting Exor!!
 3032 Calamity Jane, Sun, 6th Feb '11 8:41:45 PM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
Yes I do. I'll figure out how to put that together. In the meantime, I'm gonna go tweak the PokÚmon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions trope page a bit.
It's Mallow, not shallow.
Erm, I doubt Giratina would have DNA, or anything resembling common biology. I don't think anything would be more of an Starfish Alien that, well, one of the 3 beings that were born at the beggining of existance, and lives at the opposite side of existance. Saying it has Mew-like genes, well, No Just No.

The guy is an Eldritch Abomination, not something related to Earth animals. Well, Sci Fi Writters Have No Sense Of Scale, so yeah. :P

Shadow Force is more of a sneak attack, Giratina/Arceus vanishes from existance, and then reappears suddenly and does a heavy attack.

And its egg was Yellow IIRC. In fact, there's a bit of a parallel between the Creation trio and the Lake trio in the color aspect; and that'd have something to do with the 2 interpretations of the Celestic Cave paintings.

Other that that, AWESOME entry. Great work.

EDIT: Oh, and the Giratina you get in HGSS comes with a Griseous Orb, just FYI.

edited 7th Feb '11 10:18:22 AM by Eriorguez

 3034 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 10:21:16 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
I can fix the thing with the Shadow Force and Griseous Orb, but after going through so much research and critical thinking required for my Biology Class regarding DNA, as far as I can tell the only way Giratina can not have DNA is if it was an artificial lifeform, which I highly doubt. Just because it's an Eldritch Abomination doesn't mean it's so far beyond human comprehension that scientifically speaking it doesn't even exist. Also, Giratina does NOT have Mew-Like genes, it was merely a comparison between Giratina's DNA and Mew's DNA.

Also, I'm trying to go for Did We Just Have Tea with Cthulhu? here, so if anyone has qualms with that feel free to bring it up.

edited 7th Feb '11 10:24:13 AM by CalamityJane

It's Mallow, not shallow.
There are Virus which lack DNA. Virus are natural "lifeforms" that live in our planet.

Giratina is an Eldritch Abomination. It quite likely has a totally alien biology. Take a look at the Bizarre Alien Biology, and remember that No Biochemical Barriers quite likely does not apply.

DNA is not fundamental for life. For life AS WE KNOW IT, yes, but not to the point you are going with that.

And recesive genes do not work that way.

The tea with Cthulhu is awesome, and cute. I like it.

edited 7th Feb '11 10:31:34 AM by Eriorguez

 3036 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 10:34:25 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
I thought the reasons viruses were so small and dangerous were because they didn't have DNA, and as a result have to latch onto other cells as hosts which infects them and messes with them? Besides, we already have Deoxys, which is apparently a space virus that merged with pokemon DNA and became a lifeform in its own right (or something), with the ability to regenerate somehow either by the way Lizards grow back lost limbs, or From a Single Cell as long as its crystal thing is intact. Giratina doesn't do any of that.

edited 7th Feb '11 10:35:00 AM by CalamityJane

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Some Virus have DNA, some have RNA, but being small and not having DNA has nothing to do with their lethality.

Deoxys is a mutated Virus.

Giratina is an extradimensional God. We'd have more things in common with a boulder that with it.

Or do you honestly belive that something that reacts to the environment, despite not being, say, an organic terran lifeform, would have to have DNA? Nope.

This guy is also an awesome target for Bizarre Alien Biology, due to not likely being organic (heck, made of antimatter). No DNA.

 3038 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 10:55:00 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
If that's the direction you want to take this, then we will probably never know about Giratina's biology since Cynthia probably wouldn't let anyone vivisect a pokemon she raised from birth For Science!. And besides, how else am I supposed to explain that Giratina is genderless without mentioning chromosomes? The only Real Life animal that I can think of that doesn't have genitalia are Worker Bees, and those are classified as female.
It's Mallow, not shallow.
Game Master
What he's trying to say is, is that he doesn't feel that Giratina would have a genetic code resembling anything we have observed.

Further more, if Giratina was made of anti-matter, it would have blown up the solar system or something just by being here, as much as it weighs.

[up]We don't have to say that it's genderless, it's not a necessary component to the quality of this article.

edited 7th Feb '11 10:58:59 AM by lockonlockon

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 3040 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:01:35 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
So Giratina can't be made of antimatter, because both Cynthia's and the one in the Distortion World are able to exist in the real world without many ill effects other than crazy humans out to suck them dry of their powers. And I just thought that, if we're capable of observing Cynthia's Giratina, then we'd also be able to pick off a scale and scan it to better understand it on a cellular level. And since most cells have DNA, and DNA include sex chromosomes, throw in a desire to remain impartial and to not bring Flame Wars, I just said that it didn't have Sex Chromosomes and left it at that.

edited 7th Feb '11 11:03:27 AM by CalamityJane

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Crocodiles don't have sex chromosomes either.

Also, you are implying it would have cells and DNA. It'd be REALLY odd to have that. Saying that the scale showed an structure unlike ANYTHING known would be more credible. Well, to me, a quite insane person who nitpicks a lot with the fields of biology he knows a bit about. :P

 3042 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:13:57 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
But if it doesn't have cells, then it doesn't exist. Also, if Giratina worked like a crocodile, then it would be a Gender Bender of some kind.

edited 7th Feb '11 11:15:15 AM by CalamityJane

It's Mallow, not shallow.
Think outside the box. Sex is older that sex chromosomes, crocodiles are not gender benders, and life without cells could be very well possible in the context of Giratina, which, last time I checked, was no animal.

 3044 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:18:06 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
My mind cannot comprehend this.
It's Mallow, not shallow.
EXACTLY. That's what an Eldritch Abomination is supposed to be. Or what a Starfish Alien could very likely be.

 3046 Tangent 128, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:23:23 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Think of it this way. A robot wouldn't have cells, but a robot that could build more of itself would still qualify for many definitions of "life". Such a robot would have a genetic code equivalent (it's programming and blueprint files), but that would be nothing like DNA.

That said, cells in the abstract are a very powerful organizational structure; having things that could be described as cells, even if structured completely unlike typical Earth cells, would not be Farfetc'd.
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 3047 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:24:30 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
But the biology section is supposed to be comprehensible! Anything that wasn't comprehensible would be obscured or not noted, because I didn't want to have to resort to "We have no bloody clue Fan Wank something", because we are the Fan Wank!!
It's Mallow, not shallow.
 3048 Tangent 128, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:28:54 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
dy/dx
As for sex chromosomes- in humans (and all mammals, I think), the hormones that trigger developing into a boy instead of a girl are kept on the Y chromosome. So whether or not you have one determines which you'll be. Many (all?) birds, it's the opposite- there's a chromosome (forget what they call it) that triggers hormones to develop into a girl instead of a boy.

Many reptiles, however, have the hormone triggers in their normal DNA, but they are only released at specific egg incubation temperatures. (See the Charmander article)
Conversation is a contact sport.
Game Master
But in this context it makes sense.

Even though on a large scale it is recognizable as a life form, close up, it just makes no bloody sense.

Non-living things don't have cells, yet they exist.

Giratina likely just has some kind of biological system that is completely unlike anything observed by humans so far.
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 3050 Calamity Jane, Mon, 7th Feb '11 11:31:47 AM from California Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Second in Command
I was sorta just going with what I knew about DNA, thinking that 'if there are two Giratina and neither of them can reproduce then how would that be reflected scientiffimally'? What I came up with was 'no sex chromosomes at all', but evidently that's not working.

Also, non-living things do have a variation of cells, which are atoms. Would this mean Giratina is made out of atoms?

edited 7th Feb '11 11:32:58 AM by CalamityJane

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