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Ooo, this might be fun. I'm not exactly an expert in Tarot, but I do have my own deck and do some readings every once in a while. I'll try to help if I can.
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As someone who knows absolutely nothing about tarot:
- The Fool: Maybe Goofy? Peter Pan sort of works too.
- High Priestess: One of the princesses (and so on). Probably Alice works best here, as the only one that has anything to do with magic. Or heck, maybe Maleficent. Or even better, one of the fairies.
- The Empress: If it can be evil, Yzma. Or perhaps you could use her for High Priestess.
- The Emperor: Either Cuzco, if you don't use Yzma, or the Emperor from Mulan if you do. Or possibly even Yensid works here.
- The Pope: Yensid works even better here than for the emperor.
- Lovers: Lady and the Tramp. Pretty obvious here.
- Chariot:
Got no clue. Maybe one of the princes.Hercules has got to have a chariot scene somewhere. EDIT: Or the bikes from Tron work. - Strength:
Genie maybe? Dunno.How the hell did I miss the Beast? Or Hercules? - Hermit: Quasimodo. Gotta go with Quasimodo.
- Wheel of Fortune: You already said Oogie Boogie's wheel, so that works fine.
- Justice: There has to be an Inspector Javert somewhere in the... ooh! That captain guy from Mulan.
- Hanged Man: Closest I can think of is making a lame pun on Tarzan.
- Death: Scar, maybe? Or even better, Hades.
- Temperance: No clue. Maybe Alice.
- The Devil: Genie Jafar is perfect for this. Frollo also fits, but seriously, how could you pass up Genie Jafar?
- The Tower: There are loads of towers in Disney; the ones from either Sleeping Beauty or Fantasia should work well.
- The Star, The Moon, The Sun: All I can think of for any of these is Genie.
- Judgment: Ghost Mufasa should work pretty well here, I think.
- The World: Having not seen all of Fantasia, there still should be a good shot in there somewhere about this.
edited 17th Feb '10 9:20:20 PM by BlackHumor
I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1
Whoa. Cool idea.
- 0: The Fool: Young Simba
- 1: The Magician - Sorcerer Mickey
- 2: The High Priestess/The Female Pope: Ursula or Grandmother Willow
- 7: The Chariot: Hercules
- 8: Strength: Ariel - for added bonus, Ariel means lion of God, with Ari being a byword for courage and strength
- 9: The Hermit: Quasimodo??? Rafiki!!!
- 10: The Wheel of Fortune: Insert Lion King symbolism
- 13: Death: Definitely Hades^, good call.
- 15: The Devil: Shir Khan, maybe? Jaffar is an excellent choice, too.
- 16: The Tower/The Fire From Heaven: Notre Dame, especially the scene where the molten lead pours out
Additionally, I'd say Mulan is pretty good for the Queen of Wands.
Strength: Genie maybe? Dunno. How the hell did I miss the Beast? Or Hercules?edited 9th Feb '10 8:10:37 PM by IceQueen
If an offense come out of the truth, better it is that the offense come than that the truth be concealed."XI - Strength (La Force) : a young girl holding up a terrifying beast (often a lion)."
Don't see why Beauty And The Beast wouldn't fit there.
I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1You didn't mention Beauty before.
If an offense come out of the truth, better it is that the offense come than that the truth be concealed.doublepost
edited 9th Feb '10 8:31:15 PM by IceQueen
If an offense come out of the truth, better it is that the offense come than that the truth be concealed.
You're not asking much, are you?
That's okay. It's a good idea, really.
- The Fool must be the Genie. If not, Mushu.
- Strength: Tarzan.
- The Star: Jiminy Cricket. When you wish upon a star...
More as I think of them.
edited 9th Feb '10 8:36:11 PM by newtonthenewt
She's playing with fire! He's not ready for Nibbly Pig!
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Oh, good, I'm glad to see this is picking up some steam.
Actually, Black Humor, I thought of using Tarzan himself for The Hanged Man—which, after all, is not about dying of strangulation, but about being in a state of suspension, awaiting an outcome. The figure on the card is always hanging by his ankle, upside-down. Tarzan spends most of the movie uncertain of his own true nature and destiny—is he a man or a gorilla?
Ice Queen, Rafiki is so excellent for The Hermit that I may have to add him in as soon as I'm done making this post.
Some of my other ideas have included:
- The Empress: Bambi's mother
- Strength: Lilo And Stitch
- Ten of Wands: Cinderella
- Nine of Cups: Winnie The Pooh with nine honeypots
- Six of Pentacles: Robin Hood
Robin Hood, yeah! Older Disney needs more love. Like The Sword in the Stone.
Pocahontas for the World, maybe?
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Okay, I've gone and updated the OP with my favorite ideas from my own ponderings and the thread so far. Am hereby requesting feedback; explanations available on demand.
Stuff what I do.I agree with your choices, except for Hades which I think more suitable for Death. For the Devil, I love the djinni!Jaffar suggestion.
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I am hesitant to use a villain for Death because, as is so often emphasised in any work dealing with Tarot, Death is not a flatly negative card. It refers to great change, which can be positive or negative. Unfortunately, Disney doesn't often deal in ambiguity.
The advantage of using Hades for The Devil is that then Pain and Panic can play the roles of the entrapped sinners.
Stuff what I do.That's a good point. I figured that nothing would epitomize Death better than the God of Death, but I didn't really consider that you're dealing with two entirely different archetypes.
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Of course, having said that I didn't want to use a villain, I am now strongly considering Dr. Facilier, on the grounds that he has the right image with his spare figure and Baron Samedi getup, and the right association with intense change. Transformation Central indeed!
Stuff what I do.You know, considering only the symbolism, Peter Pan would be a pretty good Death. The Cheshire Cat would make an AWESOME Death; the only problem with that is that it's not human, so you'd have to take some strides with the art.
For the emperor, you don't have anyone from Aladdin in the Major Arcana so far, so might as well stick in the Sultan. (Honestly, the Emperor from Mulan fits there too, but I think I already mentioned him. Still could fit in the Sultan as the Hierophant.)
Ooh, Ariel's father would also make a pretty good emperor; honestly, most of these films have a Reasonable Authority Figure and practically all of them work there.
Justice will be kind of hard; the only actual judge I can think of in all of Disney is Judge Doom from Roger Rabbit, and he's both a crazy evil judge and not female.
Looking up the art on the card, Temperance seems like you would have to use one of the Greek gods from Hercules in it.
I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1^ Frollo is a judge in Disney's villain makeover for him, but that wouldn't work too well for the card. He might make a good Hierophant, though, considering his sanctimoniousness and his, well, original background as an archdeacon.
I have to say again that I'm really in love with this idea.
edited 17th Feb '10 10:24:02 PM by IceQueen
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Kara, until you said Dr. Facilier, I was racking my brains trying to come up with one and all I could come up with was the Fairy Godmother from Cinderella, which is kind of weak—though she does herald a huge change in Cinderella's status.
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Don't forget when making suggestions, guys, that I don't want to reference any one movie more than once in a single suit. If you have a better idea for The Tower than Notre Dame Cathedral, then we can use Frollo as The Hierophant. Another possibility for that one is the King from Atlantis The Lost Empire, who has the right personality for the card without being as thoroughly negative as Frollo.
Remember also that none of this is carved in stone (except for The Magician, because I said so). If you really don't like my ideas, go ahead and try to sell me on yours!
The Emperor will probably be selected by process of elimination, depending upon which movie with a strong king/father figure hasn't been used yet.
edited 18th Feb '10 8:52:44 AM by Karalora
Stuff what I do.Honestly, now that I think of it, the Cheshire Cat would make a good World.
Dunno what the elements surrounding it would be, though. Maybe suits of cards (you know, like the queen of hearts?) but that seems kind of self-referential.
I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1
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The art fits, mostly.
Again, symbolically the Cheshire Cat fits much better at Death; but it's also a cat.
edited 18th Feb '10 4:38:23 PM by BlackHumor
I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1If you have a better idea for The Tower than Notre Dame Cathedral, then we can use Frollo as The Hierophant.Now that I think of it, Peter Pan might be a better fool than Mowgli.
For the World, maybe Aladdin and Jasmin on the Carpet?
edited 18th Feb '10 8:35:19 PM by IceQueen
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I'd like to get something a little closer to the traditional imagery for The World.
Wait...are Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 generally considered two separate movies? Because if so, maybe the Spring Sprite could be The World.
Stuff what I do.
Oooh, Disney Tarot! 
Just did some brief skimming of the thread, here are my vaguely-informed newb suggestions:
The Hierophant/Pope: Merlin from The Sword And The Stone The World: Atlantis (I so have an unhealthy love for this movie!) Ace of Swords: Basil of Baker Street Temperance: Esmerelda from The Hunch Back Of Notre Dame any one of the Wands: Peter Pan
Frollo definitely needs a spot somewhere too.
I'll see if I can come up with some others later! (Okay, these really are some noob suggestions. Just throwin' them out there.)
edited 21st Feb '10 9:59:52 AM by NorthRaider
I'm looking for a little brainstorming-type help here. I've had the idea for some time to design a Disney Animated Canon Themed Tarot Deck, and for obvious reasons, since The Princess And The Frog came out I've been thinking about it a lot more. But I keep getting stuck, and so I'm hoping to pick some brains.
The guidelines I have been using are something like this:
With that said, here's a list of every card in the deck, to be updated as the slots are filled in.
Major Arcana:
Wands:
Cups
Swords:
Pentacles/Coins:
We've got a quick guide to Tarot symbolism right here on the wiki. For more in-depth information, I recommend Aeclectic Tarot
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Let's have fun!
edited 24th Mar '11 7:22:43 PM by Karalora
Stuff what I do.