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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#22201: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:17:18 PM

by his own admission, Kishimoto's bad t romance, but the Last at least, tries. The Boruto anime also portrays them as a particularly sweet couple at times, so I'm fine with it.

Choji/Karui is the only real "WTF" one that comes out of nowhere.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22202: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:22:21 PM

Karui means light (in weight) so it's supposed to be ironic. It's another fat joke basically.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#22203: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:52:51 PM

One thing I did like about the Chouji/Karui pairing is how ninjas from countries that were once at each others' throats can now marry each other without too much scandal. Now, this doesn't apply to the Chouji/Karui pairing specifically, but it was something I personally liked about the pairing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#22204: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:56:23 PM

[up] Huh now that's actually a pretty good reason to like that pairing especially since its a marriage between villagers of the Lighting & Leaf village who has a lot of issues between each other.

I mean as random as it is & even if the basis is just a fat joke it happened during a decade long time-skip so anything can happen. Love is not that complex in some cases really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#22205: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:01:49 PM

Shonen are notoriously bad at writing romantic arcs outside of the basic "Girl likes boy, but the boy doesn't notice". There are honestly only a handful that are actually decent when the series isn't a romantic genre already.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#22206: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:09:23 PM

I will say, actually, that Choji being such a sweet dad and he and Karui having a totally loving and functional relationship in the future is rather nice. Ino and Sai as well.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#22207: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:46:44 PM

...Back to Fairy Tail:

Elfman X Evergreen also started with opposition given that Elfman got turned to stone in the Fighting Festival Arc.

Actually given how little romance has to do with anything compared to NAKAMA B*&^CHES and action, I'd say that's one of Mashima's stronger suits...I mean, as long as he doesn't believe the hype too much.

Na Lu worked great (I saw Natsu as innocent enough to do lots of romantic things just to be nice though), then Mashima believed it and started overplaying it.

Jerza was amazing, then it was overexposed and turned into Wangst.

Mavix X Zeref was consistently good, Wendy x Chelia is excellent too, if you see it that way. Loke x Ares

Only Gruvia doesn't seem groovy.

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#22208: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:04:20 PM

Ino/Sai also had Shikamarus novel to show how he came to like her I think. I mean they did adapt them for the anime and there was an arc where he got brainwashed and Ino saved him. He became attracted to her because of her personality since he always thought she was ugly and he called her the opposite of that after reading a book that told him not to insult a girl and say the opposite.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#22209: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:21:18 PM

I wouldn't mind Gray/Luvia if he legit showed some attraction/romantic feeling for her.

KOman 'Sup? Since: Jul, 2013
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#22210: Jun 22nd 2017 at 1:11:30 AM

[up]He flat-out turns her down in Ch. 338, and she's still going after him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#22211: Jun 22nd 2017 at 6:16:54 AM

[up] That is so not a romance then.

Hell if the genders were reversed we would most definitly get a horror story.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#22212: Jun 22nd 2017 at 6:34:29 AM

Yeah, as Gray is my favorite, I in good conscience can't support Gruvia.

...

Does the YMMV have Relationship Writing Fumble? Sounding like it needs to go there.

edited 22nd Jun '17 6:35:00 AM by erazor0707

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Aquaconda Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#22213: Jun 22nd 2017 at 6:48:57 AM

I fell off of Gruvia when I realized how unhealthy it was and that Maha wasn't going to make Juvia anything more than a one-note character.

KOman 'Sup? Since: Jul, 2013
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#22214: Jun 22nd 2017 at 3:42:14 PM

[up][up]Relationship Writing Fumble is when two characters receive a lot of subtext even though Word of God claims that they don't have any romance.

Mashima is pretty upfront about which people he's putting together, which is up to your interpretation whether this is good or bad.

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Silentedge89 Optimistic Cynic Since: Apr, 2012
Optimistic Cynic
#22215: Jun 22nd 2017 at 10:17:22 PM

[up] aka Soul Eater, Relationship Writing Fumble the manga.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#22216: Jun 22nd 2017 at 10:37:18 PM

Sakura/Sasuke.

In my head, they just had a one night stand and Sasuke Genjutsu'd her into think they got married so she could feel like they're together without actually being together. Or maybe Salad was made in-vitro.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#22217: Jun 22nd 2017 at 11:02:52 PM

He Izanagi'd her into Sakura's womb.

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KOman 'Sup? Since: Jul, 2013
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#22218: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:00:11 AM

Low quality 541 translation.

edited 23rd Jun '17 10:00:49 AM by KOman

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Aquaconda Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#22219: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:21:18 AM

I love how Acnologia is just becoming a goofy stereotypical shounen villain. Why is he a braggart all of a sudden? Why isn't he immediately murderizing the dragon slayers?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#22220: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:24:03 AM

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Plot, that's why. Badly done plot, but still.

So they plan to use Fairy Sphere to trap him then? I dislike how he still has the Motion Sickness weakness, but I love Lucy taking charge, so I'm all right with this. I'd prefer it if she just summoned the Celestial Spirit King, then used a Star Dress of him but that's expecting far too much from Mashima.

Just end already Fairy Tail. You're too slow.

edited 23rd Jun '17 10:25:10 AM by HandsomeRob

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KOman 'Sup? Since: Jul, 2013
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#22221: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:45:19 AM

It's weird how Chapter 436 was implying that Acny had more complex motives when this is what we're getting.

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#22223: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:02:24 AM

[up] Yeah at this point we all just want it to end.

Ignoring how half the chapter was devoted to Lucy's group boy is this fight lame. Acno is just so far above them that this isn't fun, this can barely be called a fight as the good guys were hardly given anything to do.

Seriously where did Acno's pragmatism go? Where was that cold no-nonsense personality he had against God Serena?

[up][up] Either Mashima's contradicting himself or this is what he thinks complex motives are.

edited 23rd Jun '17 11:06:51 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#22224: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:05:41 AM

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He's really going down the Kishimoto tube, then again I think he's been down that path for years.

Aquaconda Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#22225: Jun 23rd 2017 at 12:16:01 PM

God, if Mashima wasn't going to give Acny any depth, he could have least made him consistent. And no being a "classic villain" does not excuse this.

edited 23rd Jun '17 12:17:13 PM by Aquaconda


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