Devil May Cry

So what he's saying is, Lady is the best DMC character.

Can't argue with that.

So the PC port for DMC 3 on Steam is... not very good. Do there exist fixes for it so that the 360 controls are manageable?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found some help on the Steam forum.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/6550/discussions/0/864969320373351964/

Useful information. I'll try it this weekend and see if it works.

edited 29th Jun '15 4:42:33 PM by Pannic

@Gilver NO!

Tell Capcom this is what you want!

If you want them to know you want this series to continue, support it!

If people don't support their new line of thinking, we may return to the full reign of Crapcom without ever having fully escaped.

If you don't like DMC 4, though, by all means, ignore it. That's super fine.

Screw capcom. Amazing gameplay can't carry everything else.

Plus they don't have a clue as to what they're doing character, lore, and story wise.

edited 30th Jun '15 9:34:31 PM by GilverDMC1

In your opinion.

Not everyone shares it, and saying it as if it's fact doesn't help your case in the slightest.

And in game Like these, gameplay matters more then anything else, so...

^Yeah I'm not sure what he's getting at either. Like I want a good story as good as everyone else but jeez.

I'm saying they can't take/refuse to advantage of the lore, make great use of the characters, or write a decent story for an action game. Which are all facts judging by DMC 3 SE & DMC 4 SE.

The amazing gameplay doesn't hold me over. This is an opinion.

It's true the combat is godlike, but the campaign sucks a lot and that's gameplay too. I love my bloody palace simulator but I wish playing through the levels was better.

I thought 3's story and characters were pretty decent.

edited 1st Jul '15 11:50:30 AM by Moth13

You are aware that most fans like the third game the most, right? And judging by total cutscene length, both it and the fourth game have far more time dedicated to fleshing out the story than the first two games. Not to mention that 3's Dante and Vergil are the ones given the most attention outside the main games, thanks in part to them having character arcs in that game, along with Lady's arc, another character that fans seem to love (more than Trish I might add). It might be token character development, but it's still a lot more than what was in the first two games

So no, I don't think it's a fact that the stories are worse, you're just still sore that the games aren't tonally more like the first game or the non-canon novels and that they don't cover elements of the lore that YOU personally want them to. You might not like it, but that doesn't make those stories bad.

I like that the fourth game made Trish a more rounded character by making her sort of mischievious, and I love playing as her now. I think Nero makes a good protagonist, and Kyrie is fine for what she is. The fourth game kind of fumbled when it came to properly handling the plot and some of the lore, but at least things are always happening, with twists and secrets revealed and relationships established.

The first game is pretty much a straight dungeon crawl in comparison, with the two main twists not having much of an impact on the actual plot. Second game had some character development with Lucia, but that was it. Third game had much better use of the three act structure, rising and falling action, and twists that affect both the narrative and the character development.

I love DMC's dumb bullshit story.

Was mostly referring to the fact that they did absolutely nothing story wise with Vergil(he has been playable twice and they dropped the ball), Trish, and Lady.

:D What secrets were "revealed" in 4?

I only have a major issue with 4's supposed story(it literally is a pointless rescue mission). I'm fine with 3's despite the retcons.

Secrets like the Order being the bad guys behind everything for one. There's also the fact that the Order has Vergil's sword, using it in their experiments, and that Nero is a descendant of Sparda and can be used by the Order as well. I didn't say they weren't obvious, but they are used as such and do change the course of the narrative when revealed.

I don't see how 4 is just a rescue mission. Half the game is Nero hunting for Dante, then it turns into Dante cleaning things up, which happens to involve him rescuing Nero. Nero is only actively trying to rescue Kyrie for maybe five missions.

Also, I wasn't aware that 3 retconned anything. It seems more like it just ignored any of the non-game related material.

edited 2nd Jul '15 11:52:32 AM by StarOutlaw

You could consider the stuff they added (like making Vergil evil before DMC 1) as retcons, though there's nothing directly contradicting this in the games. There's also the implication in DMC 1 that Vergil was taken as a child, which is out the window by 3.

I take back what I said about Trish being disappointing, by the way. Anyone who has Zubaz divekicks is fine by me.

DMC 2 is such a depressing game.

edited 3rd Jul '15 7:57:12 PM by Moth13

I hope DMC 5 brings back the hands for the enemy barriers. I miss those.

EDIT: Dat moment when you realise Vergil's demon shadow is Nero's Stand.

edited 4th Jul '15 3:22:03 PM by PolarPhantom

So at first glance Trish seems to have the least going on of the new characters, but I found this video that lists a bunch of cool stuff she can do and some good ways to use them in the description.

Not mentioned is that the Spark upgrade to her jump, in addition to launching enemies can also be used to reflect attacks.

Trish seems like she's geared for newer players since she has far fewer to work with (although she may be about on par with Nero). Lady seems to be the oddball that even veterans would have some difficulty with since you basically never stick to guns as a primary. Nero is still Nero- the one the game is designed for and arguably works the best. Dante requires a fair bit of skill but can wreck things well enough. Vergil likely requires a lot of skill but he can completely annihilate absolutely everything in the game.

I'm currently going through Vergil's mode.

Seriously, there is so much stuff that people can do with these characters and combos that I feel like a fricken weakling.

On that note, having been playing DMC 4 SE recently, I think I now know why, even after Bayonetta, I still consider DMC superior. It's due to having much more unique and effective combos, more creative weaponry, a more intriguing and well-told story, and a much more memorable soundtrack.

Not trying to diminish the Bayonetta series (the second one is my second favorite action game), but DMC still manages to just barely edge it out imo.

So, in skill floor and ceiling, it goes something like Trish -> Nero -> Dante -> Vergil with Lady as the wildcard.

In other news, the DMC anime is airing on Chiller (a horror channel) in about 15 minutes.

If you didn't know that Chiller existed before now, I wouldn't blame you.

I think it's way too early to know if Vergil has a higher ceiling than Dante. And that would be one hell of a feat. DMC4 Dante may have the most depth of any action character ever created. You could train with Dante for years and still not be "good" with him. People are still in the middle of figuring out how deep the rabbit hole goes with Vergil, though it's clear there's a lot there.

I don't claim to be an expert or anything, but I find Vergil much easier to use than Dante.

Vergil is balanced:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVOjKXPtQng
And embedding still isn't working...

edited 16th Jul '15 9:56:06 AM by SecondKaitenhammer

Vergil can distort? WELP.