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Why do Americans hate Lisa Simpson:

femaledavinci
I mean why, she's the most underrated character on the show and is the voice of reason in the show. I feel for her because I'm a lot like her, I just wonder why, is it because America usually doesn't have favorable view of intelligent people? I'm just inquiring why?
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 2 Shadowtext, Sat, 24th Apr '10 2:20:39 PM from the noosphere
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Lisa is disliked because, as the sole voice of reason on the show, she's also used as a mouthpiece for the writers and slows down the plots when she's present. She's been flanderized into a dull character with few interesting character quirks.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Lisa. It's just that it's entirely understandable why a lot of people do.

edited 24th Apr '10 2:21:17 PM by Shadowtext

femaledavinci
Actually Lisa is based on Matt Groening. I wonder how he feels about Lisa being so disliked.
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 4 Edmond Dantes, Sat, 24th Apr '10 2:23:42 PM from Just Over There
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He's probably groaning.
 5 CTM, Sat, 24th Apr '10 3:41:43 PM from Connecticut
The thing about Lisa is that her episodes are all really dull compared to the others.
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 6 takashi. 0, Sat, 24th Apr '10 4:05:53 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Brony
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^^ I dunno about matt, but I'm certainly groaning.

 7 Stranger, Sat, 24th Apr '10 5:06:57 PM from Nowhere in particular
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I don't think there's any special hate for Lisa as a side character. It's just that episodes that focus on her tend to be boring and whiny.

 8 zam, Sat, 24th Apr '10 5:26:04 PM from Orlando, FL . Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
Praise Him
Bart Appeals a lot more not cause he is dumb but because he is fun, saw a rerun last night where Lisa cried after Bart accidentally destroyed a Thanksgiving gift And she basically loses her S***, but for some reason I liked Bart better even thou I Knew Lisa was supposed the be the star Perhaps because Lisa should know that her brother has huge flaws. Don't know if I am right but Speaks Volumes to me.

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edited 24th Apr '10 5:27:25 PM by zam

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 9 Game Chainsaw, Sat, 24th Apr '10 5:28:54 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
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I think that clinches it. Bart and Homer are more fun. The fact that Marge hasn't been mentioned yet speaks volumes. Homer and Bart get all the fun things to do. Think of what you consider to be the Crowning Moment of Funny moments. Probably mostly Homer? A good number of Bart moments? Now how many Lisa-spawned Crowning Moment of Funny moments are there? Though admittedly she gets a good share of Crowning Moment of Heartwarming moments.
 10 Cody The Headless Boy, Sat, 24th Apr '10 5:48:24 PM from Parts Unknown Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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Because she's an annoying, preachy, self righteous nag who believes she's right and everyone else is wrong. Plus she's little more than a mouthpiece for Matt Groening's hamfisted political dogma. It's also why Brian from Family Guy earns a lot of scorn.

edited 24th Apr '10 5:50:40 PM by CodyTheHeadlessBoy

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She's definitely annoying in the newer seasons. Then again, the newer seasons in general are annoying.

On a related note, I read somewhere that Lisa's the most popular character in Japan. That's probably just a joke about how otakus obsess over little girls, but mregh.
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 12 Canondorf, Sat, 24th Apr '10 10:38:21 PM from an infinite velocity
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No, it's true. It's because she's a studious Buddhist.
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She's, if anything, a great example of how smart people are willing to turn their brains off when they get too emotionally invested in a cause.

This doesn't make her in the slightest bit entertaining or likable, however. Usually the few times she's actually right about anything, it's because everyone else is a functional retard.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man may be king, but he still has no freakin' depth perception.

edited 24th Apr '10 11:11:16 PM by Korgmeister

Again with the data mining, dear Aunt?
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I tend to blame lazy comedy writers who make every female character the Unfunny by default.

Because she's an annoying, preachy, self righteous nag who believes she's right and everyone else is wrong. Plus she's little more than a mouthpiece for Matt Groening's hamfisted political dogma. It's also why Brian from Family Guy earns a lot of scorn.
You reminded me of Huey Freeman from The Boondocks, who seemed like an interesting character from what little I read of the comic strip when he had Caesar to bounce ideas off of, but who turned into "Lisa Simpson with kung-fu action! Plus narrator duties, so he can preach directly to the audience!" in the TV show.
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 15 Kerrah, Sun, 25th Apr '10 8:02:25 AM from Helsinki, Finland
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Actually Lisa is based on Matt Groening. I wonder how he feels about Lisa being so disliked.

No. She's based on Matt Groening's sister, Lisa Groening. Bart is based on Matt.

In case there's someone who didn't know, Matt Growning's close family are Homer Groening, Marge Groening, Lisa Groening and Maggie Groening.

edited 25th Apr '10 8:03:01 AM by Kerrah

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femaledavinci
Actually Lisa Groening thinks Lisa is based on her, while Matt has gone on record to say that Lisa is based on his personality as a child. Bart is just the placeholder for his part in his own family, he never had Bart's personality, and Matt has gone on record to say that the reason he created Bart Simpson the way he did was because he thought Dennis the Menace was a weak character and didn't do anything bad at all, compared to Bart who has done worse. I'm guessing it was a competition for Matt to make Bart America's true Dennis the Menace. I can clearly see how Lisa is Matt's mouthpiece, especially in the episode The Cartridge(?) Family where Lisa tells Homer that the second amendment has no relevance in present time and how guns are unsafe. In the commentary of that episode Matt mentioned how much he abhors guns and wants them taken away and almost started an argument over it.
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Plus she's little more than a mouthpiece for Matt Groening's hamfisted political dogma. It's also why Brian from Family Guy earns a lot of scorn.

I have no problem with this in either case since I agree 100% with everything the writers have used them to express and do, in fact, proudly consider alternative viewpoints to be flat out bad and wrong :D

edited 26th Apr '10 3:01:35 AM by scythemantis

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Self righteous intolerance, yay!
Again with the data mining, dear Aunt?
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 20 Spa´n Sun, Mon, 26th Apr '10 5:29:08 AM from Somewhere Beyond Here
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I don't hate Lisa. D:
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I actually kind of like Lisa when she gets taken out of her comfort zone. The episode where she gets horrific deathtrap braces and laughs like the Joker sticks out in my mind.

Then again, Homer still gets all of the funniest moments in the episode ("Dental plan!" ... "Lisa needs braces." ... "Dental plan!" ... "Lisa needs braces." ... ).

edited 26th Apr '10 7:29:44 AM by Dracomicron

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 22 Shadowtext, Mon, 26th Apr '10 10:44:30 AM from the noosphere
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I have no problem with this in either case since I agree 100% with everything the writers have used them to express and do, in fact, proudly consider alternative viewpoints to be flat out bad and wrong :D
The problem is that with both characters you've got a Michael Moore Problem in effect. You agree with what they're saying, but they're being such utter douchebags about it that even admitting that makes you feel unclean.

 23 Arilou, Mon, 26th Apr '10 10:49:34 AM from Quasispace
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The problem is that Lisa (and to some degree Marge) are needed: They're the straight (wo)men of the show. It's just not funny with just Homer or Bart.
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I never hated Lisa. I actually love Lisa as a character. Maybe it the Activism part of her people don't like?...
 25 Cody The Headless Boy, Tue, 27th Apr '10 1:59:53 AM from Parts Unknown Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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The problem is that with both characters you've got a Michael Moore Problem in effect. You agree with what they're saying, but they're being such utter douchebags about it that even admitting that makes you feel unclean.

Exactly. It's a lot like the Well Intentioned Extremist. While you can agree with them in principle it's the way they go about applying it that creates the problem.

People don't like to be preached to or feel like they're worthless because they dont live to the same standard you do. And if they happen to hold an opposite viewpoint they certainly don't like being painted with the same brush as the crazier more extreme members of the group.

For example I don't believe every feminist wants to put on a pair of steel toed boots and kick every man she meets in the `nads or that every Christian really wants to create a Mister Rogers version of society and believes we all rode dinosaurs.

edited 27th Apr '10 2:13:13 AM by CodyTheHeadlessBoy

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