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Cutmaster-sanaka What Ironeye does to amuse himself while everyone else does something important. So, yeah, here's our thread in which to discuss the plot of the story, outline the seasons, and so forth. Let's start off with what I have, beginning with the updated plot chart◊. In this case, I've grouped events by season, starting with blue for the backstory (or events that may technically happen during the show but are part of subplots that don't become important till much later). From there, it's purple, purple-red, orange-red, orange, yellow, yellow-green, bluish green, and light blue in season order. Some events don't have a fixed season, and thus don't fit into a bubble, but they will probably end up in one of the bubbles that they are close to. Note that each season here is on the short side—maybe 12 episodes—in contrast to the 26-episode seasons from before. Hence, while there are more seasons than we've ever had before, there are actually much fewer episodes.
Season 1The first season is effectively the origin story for the team. Rather than going through the events that got them together, we instead begin with the last member joining and continue to the point where they make their first big impression on the world by defeating the Wicked Witch of the West. This season is really where we get to establish the tone, setting, and characters *. The team spends the season traveling in a loop that takes them through Baton Rouge, along the Gulf Coast, inland to Ft. Knox, out to Kansas, and back to Louisiana. We can have all sorts of US-based villains in this season, but The Big Bad is the Wicked Witch of the West, with Ganondorf as The Dragon and Tybalt a general flunky. Also appearing are the Huntsmen of Annuvin as her Elite Mooks, the occasional flying monkey, The Heartless as both mooks and a source of extra energy, and a hydra bewitched for use in terrorizing towns (lured to Louisiana along the coast from Virginia by the Wicked Witch, defeated by the team in the pilot, and recovered to be regrown). Some antagonists/subplots that have been brought up:
Season 2The second season opens with the introduction of a few new faces for both the heroes and the villains. The team goes to the TV Tropes HQ in the Bahamas, where Fast Eddie and Janitor welcome them and explain the history of the organization. After the Convergence they decided to start observing cataloging information about fictites (from the source material) in order to aid in fighting with/bargaining with/evading them. They started with Television, later expanding to other media once they realized how successful their project was. With their Database quickly growing due to the contributions of numerous normal people, they decided to use their information to strike back against rogue fictites. Korgmeister was one of a few federal agents unofficially assigned to the organization to help with training, recruitment, and general support; the main characters were his first big catch. Meanwhile, on the villain side of things, the sinister Dark Lodge (finally revealed in this season premiere) is in disarray over the loss of one of its members. Previously, it had been in a bit of an unstable equilibrium because its membership of five always ensured that any alliance could be squashed by the other three, while any group of three would never be able to stay loyal. The loss of the Wicked Witch disrupted this balance, leaving the Lodge in danger of tearing itself apart. Fortunately (or unfortunately, really), Tybalt arrives an announces the ascension of a new Lodge member: Ganondorf, who replaces his former boss. Back with our heroes, the team is sent to discover what they can about the dealings of the Wicked Witch in order to identify the other members of the Dark Lodge. Helping them along are three TV Tropes members:
Season 3With all 11 of the main characters already established, Season 3 focuses quite a bit more on plot. Following the events of Season 2, the Fairy Godmother has taken Ganondorf's remaining Heartless and miscellaneous minions to Europe for an unknown purpose. The team heads off to Europe, where it encounters Sherlock Holmes. The famous detective is on the trail of his nemesis, Professor Moriarty, in France, having been forced to flee England due to the Master's totalitarian rule. In England, the team finds itself thrust into a war between the Master (also a member of the Dark Lodge) and the fey forces of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. It turns out that the Fairy Godmother has always wanted the Fairytale land of the British Isles to herself, and has thrown her forces behind the rebels against her Lodge ally. Beyond that, the Master has been using Moriarty to prepare to take over the mainland via subterfuge. In the end, Moriarty, the Fairy Godmother, and the Master are all defeated, and a much more benevolent ruler is found for the Brits. Possible features:
Season 4The fourth season follows the main team as they take on the next member of the Dark Lodge: Dr. Doom. Doom (actually a Doombot) plans to up the stakes by killing The World Tree and destroying the Fourthress. Plot-wise, this season isn't planned out much aside from what is listed above, though presumably there will be a lot of other missions in Europe. Regarding The World Tree, we're not yet entirely sure how it's connected to the rest of the story, exactly, but we do know that it telepathically contacts Murky Muse either in this season or earlier. The Season 4 finale is the attack on the Fourthress, which fails in part because Doom decides that capturing Jinxed would be a good idea, not realizing that she can fry him. Oops!
Season 5Season 5 ties up the Dark Lodge story, and would serve as a decent final season if we decide to cut off the project early. Sure, some of the character subplots wouldn't be resolved, and it would never be quite clear just what Tybalt was up to (though it is really easy to just write him off as being that insane—yay!), but the main plot would reach a satisfying conclusion. Anyway, the content: The fifth season is all about Dracula. After the defeat of all of his rivals in the Dark Lodge, he has consolidated all of the remaining minions under his control and is amassing his power at Castlevania in Transylvania. Fortunately for our heroes, he isn't really doing much in the way of world-conquering at this point, after seeing just how much good an offense did for the Doombot. Rather, he plans to be more subtle about the whole thing, and realizes that he's quite safe in Castlevania. Why? Because Castlevania was produced by a rift in the Fourth Wall (of course) that makes its layout shuffle regularly, making it extremely difficult to capture. Additionally, while the rift is smaller than it once was, the sheer number of fictional beings congregating nearby is making it unstable, making something like bombing the place to smithereens out of the question. Just how are the forces of all that is good (and quite a bit that isn't) going to handle this? Answer: by sneaking a team into Castlevania to kill the Count and redirect the rift back to the Fourthress, thereby allowing assorted armies to liquefy the place without any danger of the rift getting large enough to swallow up a small country. But wait, you say, how is the team going to manage that? After all, no outsider would ever be able to get through the castle if the layout constantly changes. The answer is Jareth, the Goblin King, master of mazes, he who never gets lost, etc. Fortunately for our heroes, they ran into Jareth a while back (Season 2, maybe?) when he tried to capture Jinxed. The bad news is that he got tired of ruling a bunch of comic-relief characters, and decided to get into acting. * They track him to a theater that's being menaced by The Phantom of the Opera, who doesn't take kindly to the idea of the leading man leaving. (Cue musical episode.) Everyone (and I do mean everyone—the main character, Tybalt, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, the Phantom, and Jareth) converge at a masquerade ball where Holmes fakes his death, both the Phantom and Tybalt kill people (complicating the mystery), and Dracula shows just how powerful he is. Fortunately, our heroes escape with Jareth in tow and get his help navigating the labyrinthine corridors of Castlevania. There, the team encounters Death, The Dragon to Dracula. Fortunately for them, Death isn't at all interested in helping the Count and merely serves him because she is bound to him. (Yes, Death is a woman, specifically a perky goth chick who does the whole Grim Reaper shtick because that's what everyone expects, and she's one of the most powerful characters on the show.) Though he bond to Dracula prevents her from working against Dracula, she does give them tips for taking out the Vampire Council, Dracula's dysfunctional Quirky Miniboss Squad of assorted evil vampires who have been menacing the team throughout the season. Fortunately for the team, the Castlevania rift warps the laws of physics around it to match action-horror movies, making everyone into a Badass. Dracula is defeated, Death is freed, the rift is sealed, everyone can go home knowing that the Dark Lodge is no more, and Tybalt is still at large. That last bit is quite important for...Season 6.
Season 6So, everything is fine and dandy after the defeat of the Dark Lodge, right? Wrong! Right off the bat, the Data Vampires attack the Database (causing the Great Crash), Kara gets poisoned, and it becomes clear that it was an inside job. It turns out that it was Matrix, who had a nice long chat with Tybalt at the end of last season and has become the villainous Darth Matrix (dying his fur accordingly). The team tracks him down and is able to extract information about the poison from him and runs off to China to find the antidote. The question is raised: why use a poison that doesn't kill? The answer: because Tybalt is planning to attack the Bahamas HQ with the remaining Dark Lodge minions and wants everyone as distracted as possible. Of course, Tybalt's small army isn't enough to defeat TV Tropes, even with many of its key members on missions and demoralized; Tybalt has an ace in the hole: Eddie. Yes, it turns out that Eddie was an AI programmed for a purpose not immediately known, but later reprogrammed to be the benevolent leader of TV Tropes. The Data Vampires wiped some of Eddie's programming during the attack on the Database, creating a hybridized version that strongly resembles the original. Eddie the Corrupted has been working with Tybalt, and will subvert the base's security system during the attack. Helping Eddie along in this is Ironeye, who in earlier seasons already showed his willingness to take secret orders from multiple superiors. With Kara cured, the season finale focuses on Tybalt's attack. A lot of the secondary characters come out of the wordwork to take on Tybalt's forces. Ironeye and Janitor, having realized Eddie's treachery, take Jinxed to go fry him, but they are interrupted by Tybalt and Matrix. Jinxed stays behind to try and convert Matrix back to team good while Janitor fights Tybalt and Ironeye pushes on to overheat Eddie's hardware (see: every time the team has fought a robot and Korg has told him to use his power on the heat sinks). Jinxed convinces Matrix that the team does take like him for more than just his comic relief (awwwww!), but Tybalt manages to capture Janitor (booo!).
Season 7Season 7 opens with the tropes in their trashed HQ now having to face Tybalt's bosses: Org &&& (no, seriously, we don't have a name for this organization yet, so I'll be using the triple @ until we do). Org &&& is an organization of both humans and fictites (including David Xanatos) that has been manipulating events from the start. Subordinates include Dark Lodge agents Revolver Ocelot (who is promptly executed after helping Tybalt attack the troper base—these guys are Genre Savvy enough to realize that he's bad news) and Tybalt, the mysterious Section IV (which recruited Gabriel to spy on the main characters back in Season 2), the Data Vampires, and even the TV Tropes leaders. It turns out that Eddie and Janitor were sent to found TV Tropes as an organization to help Org &&& catalog fictites, but they decided to take advantage of their resources to actually do something about the fictite problem. Org &&& was actually manipulating the Dark Lodge all along. The plan was to use the Dark Lodge (and similar organizations, none of which are dealt with by this particular team) to secure sections of the world before using other agents to topple the Lodge members and establish puppet governments that would act for the greater good. Yep, Well Intentioned Extremists ahoy! Org &&& tolerated the actions of Janitor and Eddie (and even helped the team out indirectly, particularly against the Doombot) so long as TV Tropes didn't interfere with their plans. Dropping Dracula too early was the last straw, though, so Org &&& used Tybalt and the Data Vampires to bring down Eddie and capture Janitor, not minding the loss of the Database because they had a copy. As the tropers struggle to put things back together in the aftermath of Season 6, Kara has a breakdown caused by her brush with death in that season. Unable to help her (as opposed to last season, when he could search for the antidote) and still reeling from realization that he wasn't helping the Eddie he knew, Ironeye cuts himself off from everyone else and starts becoming more of a Jerkass. He eventually gives Hikari a "The Reason You Suck" Speech, toys with Hikari in a fight when the latter gives into his rage, and is only stopped by Fawriel and Murky stepping in. Faced with his frustration at the team being crippled (in more ways than one), he joins Org &&& to help them restore order to the world. Meanwhile, the team tries to bring down Org &&& in a case of Grey and Gray Morality, particularly the Ironeye vs. Kara fight. In the finale, Section IV (and some other Org &&& agents) betray Org &&& and begins the final stage of its plan to take over the world.
Season 8Season 8 brings the show back to some good old Good versus Evil action. The villains clearly must be stopped, and the heroes now have the support of Org &&& (or, really, what's left of it) as they try to bring down the biggest bads of them all. The villain roster includes:
Events that don't have an approximate place in the timeline yet
The "Code White" IncidentEarly in Season 2, Ironeye and Korg have a private conversation about something that is not revealed to the audience or any of the other characters. Not much is made of this until later, when Hikari faces his first unintentional use of the Wind of Light after joining TV Tropes. Hikari realizes that his hold is slipping and tells everyone, leading Korg to declare "Code White". Ironeye, who has been appointed Hikari's unofficial minder by Korg, draws his pistol on Hikari and tells him to hold on and keep the Wind under control. When things look like they're getting worse, he prepares to fire, only for Hikari to pull it off at the last second. The team is questioning what "Code White" is when they notice that Ironeye has drawn his gun and had pointed it at Hikari. They put two and two together and get dysfunction. Kara and Korg get into an argument over who has true authority over the team. Korg and Ironeye get into an argument over Ironeye waiting until the last possible moment. Kara and Ironeye get into an argument over Ironeye going behind Kara's back. Hikari has a Heroic BSOD due to shame over almost forcing his best friend to kill him and due to having to face the previously unthinkable thought of losing control of the Wind. And things only get worse from there... We intentionally gave the three key players flaws in their arguments/actions:
edited 24th Mar '10 12:50:50 AM by Ironeye
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Darkjester94nah i dont thiscould work.sorry, i gave up being a good person too
men talk of killing time, while time quietly kills them
Cutmaster-sanAlright, that's all updated. Is anyone other than Bobby interested in joining me here in for the Plot and Recurring Fictites Committee? Everyone else is welcome to contribute, of course, but I'm talking about voting members.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Manliest Person on SkypeI'm still of the opinion that as the Big Dawg, I am on all the major decision-making committees by default, even if my actual input is limited to which color ink I use on my rubber stamp.
As the tropers struggle to put things back together in the aftermath of Season 6, Kara has a breakdown caused by her brush with death in that season.We need to be careful with the portrayal here so that she doesn't come across as someone who was only pretending to be tough all this time but turned out to actually be fragile and unable to withstand personal threats. We need to emphasize that the cause of her angst is a feeling of personal failure—she failed to protect herself, leaving her team with no one taking care of them. Compound that with the fact that the attack came in her home, from the person she would least suspect. It's not that she suddenly ohmigod has to face reality, it's that a lot of security she took for granted—and rightly so, because you can't go around suspecting your family members and teammates of waiting to shank you in the hallway at home—has just been taken away. In some ways it's very similar to what happened to her on C-Day.
Cutmaster-sanThe plot committee (all two of us) have reached the consensus that Professor Moriarty will lay low for most of S3 and be revealed in S4 to have joined the Dark Lodge back in S3. He will be one of the two main villains in S4 (along with the Doombot).
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Cutmaster-sanHere's a new version of the World Tree and Santa stuff that
edited 7th Mar '10 5:10:12 PM by Ironeye
Cutmaster-sanAlright, Plot Committee (all one of you)! It's time to deal with the fictite lists so that we can clear out the corresponding pages. Proposed Recurring Fictites and Fictite List both have lists of fictites that we'll need to go through. Everyone can contribute, of course, but the final decision will come down to me and Bobby (with Kara carrying veto power over the list of characters we choose to include). Let's hit up the first page to begin. Dracula, the Master, the Fairy Godmother, the Wicked Witch, Death, and Sherlock Holmes are all currently written in more or less as listed (aside from Season numbers). Do we want to keep the current descriptions? Professor Moriarty, David Xanatos, and Santa all are written in with different roles than as listed. Do we want to keep the current material. Kefka Palazzo is slated to appear...at some point...as listed. Do we still want to include him? For everyone else, should they stay on the cutting room floor or should we use them as plot-important/recurring characters?
edited 24th Mar '10 1:10:42 AM by Ironeye
vigilantly taxonomishDracula, the Master, the Fairy Godmother, the Wicked Witch and Sherlock Holmes I'm totally happy with. Death seems mostly OK, although she chiefly appears to be based on the interpretation from Sandman, a work with which I am not familiar (perhaps we could give her Gregg the Grim Reaper's penchant for British curse words and hatred of the undead? The latter, in particular, could be amusing, given the circumstances). I think it goes without saying that I'd like the new interpretations of Moriarty, Xanatos and Santa to take precedence over the old ones. Kefka, I see no problems with.
NOOOOOIn the defense of Onba, she was relevant when she was proposed. ^_^ If I recall correctly, someone was slated to disappear, have a changing experience, and come back. However, that was the extent of the detail. So, I proposed that he be sent on a Vision Quest... to Vision, where Onba would serve as his combination Treacherous Advisor and Vamp, like she did to Wataru in the book. She would be recurring because bits of the Vision Quest were to be shown over time or something like that. In any case, she's been quite irrelevant ever since the reboot. No point in keeping her around, unless someone needs a Vision Quest.
edited 24th Mar '10 12:24:39 PM by Hikari no Kaze
-*whooooooosh* Nin nin! ◊
Cutmaster-sanLet's see, pulling from my mental notes from before the plot reboot and adding new bits relevant to the reorganized plot and much shorter season length (ie two hours instead of 17 hours):
edited 24th Mar '10 1:31:56 PM by Ironeye
Cutmaster-sanI suppose a quick summary is in order:
vigilantly taxonomishSounds good to me. I would like to see Rincewind more than once, but he's not a plot character, anyway.
Cutmaster-sanYeah, the Rincewind gag only works if he appears three or four times, but the nice bit with him is that aside from his final appearance, we can pretty much throw him in whenever we feel like it.
Cutmaster-sanAlright, I moved Deadpool, Rincewind, and the Luggage to the newly created One Scene Reference And Background Gag Bin. (Fill 'er up!) The Fictite List now holds the actual list of fictites. The list that was formerly there—which we'll be tackling next—has been moved to Proposed Recurring Fictites.
vigilantly taxonomishAh, the lists. I'd been meaning to ask about that. Given the reboot, changes in circumstances and so on, my list no longer reflects my opinions at all. I'd be surprised if this wasn't true of other people currently involved, especially since they aren't the same people who were involved when the list was made. I propose that we redo those.
The Ultimate BifauxnenHey Ironeye I've got a plot question for ya. When/why does Jareth try to steal Jinx?
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Cutmaster-sanAlrighty. First off, Jinxed's question got answered for her on Vent. Second, we will start covering the fictite list here in approximately 24 hours (probably sooner rather than later). So, here are the guidelines for how this is going to go:
literary masochistAm I correct in assuming the sortlist will contain characters (and their proposed roles) approved for inclusion in the plot? Or is that more of an intermediate stage?
The truth about my past? Impossible.
She'd turn away from me.
Cutmaster-sanOnce the shortlist is run by Big Dawg, it will be the closest to "official" that we've got.
Cutmaster-sanAlright, I figure that we should start with the fictites with overlapping sources. Before I get to that, though, Dracula already got votes from both me and Bobby, so I'm going to put him directly onto the shortlist. I'll give my take on the choices in each case after listing the characters, the number of votes, and links to any post in the other thread that gave a notable amount of support.
The Cut List (perhaps usable in an alternate capacity)
edited 5th Apr '10 7:23:38 PM by Ironeye
Manliest Person on SkypeI am choosing to exercise Big Dawg Veto on Deadpool. The suggesting contributor could not come up with a better reason to include him than Rule of Cool.
vigilantly taxonomishIn defence of Holmes, here's why I think he's suitable, aside from being iconic: he's a smart and versatile character without supernatural abilities. This makes him a perfect "sidekick" - when the plot calls for an ally from outside the Troper Team, he's the perfect choice, being competent without having powers that would result in him upstaging the tropers. He could serve to facilitate plot developments by helping the tropers to solve baffling mysteries and giving them access to data which could prove vital to their missions, but he would not be able to fight alongside them against firebreating dragons or whatever. He also has a long history of fighting against Moriarty, to the point where including Moriarty without Holmes seems strange - the dynamic between the two trying to outsmart one another is one of Moriarty's most iconic traits. The other advantage of Holmes is that he is motivated to solve problems based on how much they challenge him, not on what's at stake. In other words he's not some hero who's going to hijack the main quest with his agenda. Now, I'm going to tentatively vote + to all the characters in this post, with the single exception of Revolver Ocelot. I think I need more information before I make a decision regarding him; the fact that a character who is apparently such an obvious backstabber can get away with duping the Master (who is not stupid, and in some portrayals has been Dangerously Genre Savvy) seems rather improbable. Other than that detail, though, all of Ironeye's all appear to be very well thought out and entirely appropriate for the plot we have, so no objections from me.
edited 7th Apr '10 7:20:06 PM by BobbyG
Cutmaster-san@Bobby: I'll tackle Holmes first. I don't think Moriarty needs Holmes—see LXG (the graphic novel) for an example of this (hottip contains LXG spoilers) *. The points you've mentioned make Holmes the best ally choice of any I've seen, but he just seems sorta...there. To me, he's the sort of character we'd use when it makes sense for the episode, but we'd never commit to using him on a long-term basis because he doesn't really advance anything unless the plot calls for the main characters to figure out something that depends on details they are not likely to have noticed. He'd be the writers' escape clause whenever we need to get the main characters some information, and I think that trying to use him will lead to lazy storytelling. So, yeah, my 0 vote stands for now—he's not a bad choice; it's just that trying to have him around doesn't seem like it will make for a better story or more interesting character interactions. Next up, Revolver Ocelot. The thing with Ocelot is that everybody who's worked with him and come out alive knows that he's likely going to end up double-crossing most (if not all) of his allies. Each employer just makes the mistake that because he seems to be working for everyone else and has said how he's going to double-cross them all, well, that employer is going to come out the best in the web of betrayals. After all, Ocelot's plans generally involve someone winning, and he's quite an effective minion up until the point that his master plan involves his employer's defeat (and sometimes even after—why bother dropping a boss if he can be convinced that this was a necessary temporary setback to convince the other guys that you were on their side all along, thereby setting them up for an even more devastating counterstroke). While everyone else is playing poker (or in the case of mooks, war), Ocelot is playing Magic: The Gathering...against himself. Anyway, the reason I put him under the Master is that the Master is one of the villains smart enough that Ocelot could convincingly be seriously working for him for the time being instead of being one step away from slipping a (metaphorical) knife into his vitals. As Ocelot plays every member of the Dark Lodge against each other, I'm guessing that the Master and Moriarty (and perhaps Doom and Dracula, depending on which portrayals we pull from the most) realize they can't trust him completely, but still probably manage to get Out-Gambitted by Ocelot in the end. Among other things, they don't actually know that 'no matter how helpful it is to use Ocelot in the short term, it's just bad news in the long term. The Reality characters know this, of course, and off him the first time they would have to trust him. Anyway, yeah, after seeing so many proposals that were "this character is so cool!", I wanted to make the effort to make all of my proposals work as more than just a Shout-Out. Alright, it's time for a list update. Remember that we'll be revisiting the cut characters after we get to the end to see if any fit better with the characters that are on the shortlist. Also, I have added some votes on stuff Bobby has already approved (and noted that Ganondorf, like Dracula, already had + +).
The Cut List
Cutmaster-sanAlright, as promised, here's my opinion on the last three of Bobby's suggestions. For the two vampires, my feelings are along the lines of, "sure, why not?". They both get a 0, since they seem like they're only filling a niche for Shout-Out purposes, but that niche did need to be filled and Bobby has clearly put some thought into choosing his vampires. (Really, I'll probably end up giving a 0 to any good suggestion for the purpose of filling a slot on the Vampire Council—the exact composition of the Council isn't something I'm particularly interested in at this point so long as it doesn't involve something too stupid.) Also, props to Bobby for changing my opinion on including Dedede. The last proposal was something along the lines of "and then Dedede reveals that he was a Reverse Mole all along and saves the day because no one else ever had a chance." A, that's pretty much his bit in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. B, we don't need a character who exists to upstage the heroes (or the villains, for that matter). (As it currently stands, I think that pretty much every villain who upstages another villain ends up getting upstaged by a different villain or by the heroes. In fact, as of the very lightly penciled in stuff that is the plot in the later seasons, Xanatos is the only fictional villain who comes out ahead...which really shouldn't surprise anyone. But, yeah, I like his new proposed role. I'll throw him a + under the understanding that Bobby and I (with input from everyone else, of course) will flesh out his role a bit more once the list is complete. Final bit before the standings update: Big Dawg has declined to exercise veto power on the last Shortlist.
The Cut List
edited 9th Apr '10 2:53:49 AM by Ironeye
The Cut List
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