I changed accounts.
Hey, I said that I wouldn't do it, if given the chance. I would consider it.
I mean, yes, we all love the internet and how it's made our lives better, but if you're in the industry or want to go in and try to make your fortune there I can certainly see why you wouldn't give two shits about any of that. Nobody in the copyright debate advocates what they advocate for selfless reasons, after all.
I am now known as Flyboy.
Cmdr. of His Supremacy's Armed Forces
This is going to get shot down, no country on Earth bar the ones run by idiots will do this...this...I can't find a word strong enough to describe this without sounding like a idiot...Fine, crime against free information, it violates the simple ideas of the internet and if it goes through I will personally travel to the countries that agreed and shout vile obscenities at the dicks that allowed this.
BTW, where are TV Tropes's servers based? hoping they ain't in Canada, they might approve, someone save the entire website to a USB stick and preserve it! Just in case...
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@ Steve. The US, mostly. I mean, that's what the IP address of the current server I've accessed suggests.
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Yay, but still, the fact that Canada might agree has demoted it from "Ultra-Awesome" to "FAILURE"
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Well, blame Harper. He's like Blair, but more stumbly and more sly.
And right-of-centre.
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Harper's a total fascist: I hope he gets dick cancer.
Back on topic: ACTA still sucks. 
edited 30th Nov '11 2:08:11 PM by SavageHeathen
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.
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Bit extreme Savage, it should be just a catastrophic fall from power and serious alcoholism.
But enough about that.
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Bad news...It got through...SOMEONE PLEASE SAVE THE ENTIRE WEBSITE TO A USB STICK!
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Firstly, whoa zombie thread!
I mean, yes, we all love the internet and how it's made our lives better, but if you're in the industry or want to go in and try to make your fortune there I can certainly see why you wouldn't give two shits about any of that. Nobody in the copyright debate advocates what they advocate for selfless reasons, after all.
The internet collects an amount of information that has never and could never be gathered together in a physical place and lets almost everyone access it fairly cheaply and almost instantly.
Internets is freedom, baby.
It's one of these irreversable social trends that you either adapt to or get left behind, writing on stone tablets and insisting that the wheel is a niche that will never catch on. Even corporate fat cats hunting for a few extra notes to stuff into their overburdened pockets know that.
edited 9th Jan '12 3:38:07 AM by TheBatPencil
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Here are some petitions you can sign to help stop ACTA:
Here are some for the USA
- https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...paign=shorturl
- http://www.petitiononline.com/ACTA/petition.html
- http://www.petitiononline.com/stopacta/petition.html
- http://wh.gov/KxA
Here are some for the UK:
- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20914
- https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/20685
Here's one for Canada:
Global Petitions:
- http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/?wWzircb
- http://www.stopp-acta.info/english/g.../petition.html
Please sign them and spread them around.
Decemberist
Internets is freedom, baby.
It's one of these irreversable social trends that you either adapt to or get left behind, writing on stone tablets and insisting that the wheel is a niche that will never catch on. Even corporate fat cats hunting for a few extra notes to stuff into their overburdened pockets know that.
~shrug~
I don't give a damn what the internet does, in all honesty. I don't give a damn about the publishers or, to a much lesser extent, the consumers, either. I care about the creators first, and foremost, full stop, followed distantly by the consumers, and that's about it. What needs to be done to get that order of priorities enacted correctly is the question, to me. Not much else.
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Decemberist
In a manner of speaking, yes. That doesn't mean you can take things from people if you don't want to pay the price they ask for whatever the item in question is, nor that you have a right to do so even if the item isn't physically limited in its number.
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Alright, Thread Hop.
How are we doing in the war against ACTA?
V
Here's something that I've found on The BBC: They've asked Alan Moore his views on V for Vendetta and Anonymous.
Prince of Dorne
Not doing badly, actually:
Germany has delayed signing the treaty (N.B.: Signing, not even at ratification yet!)
And Czechia, Slovakia, Poland and Latvia have stopped the ratification process for now.
Of course, in all cases it's "stopping" or "delaying" the process, so without additional pressure they will most likely simply resume it once nobody pays attention anymore...
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Ugh, that's awful that they might start up again once the pressure is off them...
Meanwhile, doing my part, I have signed a petition against ACTA here https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/acta-protest-feb-11 twice.
Like another poster in this thread, I'm a Digital Native, I grew up with the Net, and honestly it would be devastating for me and probably lots of others to be faced with losing Youtube, Facebook, Fanfiction.net, even This Very Wiki potentially!
And just the idea of countries joining together (or previously) the US with SOPA and PIPA trying to control the Net just smacks all too much of a world that is on the verge of Orwellian totalitarian governmental controls... O.o
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The thing is though, the ratification process in the EU states could stop automatically, if the Europarl does not ratify ACTA itself. If the EP doesn't, then due to primacy of legislation, the ratification process in all 27 States must stop.
So, the biggest counter against ACTA is wether the EU ratifies it. The fact that national parliaments of EU states are doing it, is absolutely nothing without the consent of Strasbourg and Brussels.
Therefore, lobbying efforts must go towards Brussels and Strasbourg to be effective, considering the debate is being tabled for June/July in the EP.
IIRC, there's a way for citizens of EU States to start an e-petition. If it gets more than one million votes, then it will be fast-tracked to the bigwigs in the EU.
Ah, yes.
Not quite sure how.
Ah... here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/00533cec74/Petitions.html
I can't start it, because I'm too young, obviously.
edited 12th Feb '12 6:18:51 AM by Inhopelessguy
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I'd do it, but I'm too young too. 
Decemberist
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (Acta) has been criticised by rights campaigners who argue it could stifle free expression on the internet.
EU trade head Karel De Gucht said the court will be asked to clarify whether the treaty complied with "the EU's fundamental rights and freedoms".
The agreement has so far been signed by 22 EU member states.
The European Commission said it "decided today to ask the European Court of Justice for a legal opinion to clarify that the Acta agreement and its implementation must be fully compatible with freedom of expression and freedom of the internet".
Several key countries, including Germany and Denmark, have backed away from the treaty amid protests in several European cities.
Acta is set to be debated by the European Parliament in June.
While countries can individually ratify the terms of the agreement, EU backing is considered vital if the proposal's aim of implementing consistent standards for copyright enforcement measures is met.
As well as the 22 European backers, which include the UK, the agreement has been signed by the United States, Japan and Canada.
Mr De Gucht told a news conference on Wednesday: "Let me be very clear: I share people's concern for these fundamental freedoms... especially over the freedom of the internet.
"This debate must be based upon facts, and not upon the misinformation and rumour that has dominated social media sites and blogs in recent weeks."
However, he went on to say that the agreement's purpose was to protect the creative economy.
"[Acta] aims to raise global standards for intellectual property rights," he said, adding that the treaty "will help protect jobs currently lost because counterfeited, pirated goods worth 200bn euros are currently floating around".
Acta's backers face strong opposition within the EU. Viviane Reding, the commissioner for justice, fundamental rights and citizenship, took to Twitter to outline her worries on the treaty.
"For me, blocking the Internet is never an option," she wrote in a statement.
"We need to find new, more modern and more effective ways in Europe to protect artistic creations that take account of technological developments and the freedoms of the internet."
edited 23rd Feb '12 1:51:53 AM by whaleofyournightmare
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..*casts raise dead* The EU Parliament has rejected ACTA with a pretty big margin.
as somebody on facebook was saying...it was lain ad acta...
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I'm very glad of this decision.
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Hell fucking no. If they really, completely shut down the internet, I will fucking walk to Washington DC if I have to and tell them no fucking way.
You didn't grow up before the Net. I did. The Net has enriched my life in so many ways I don't even know where to begin listing them. If you only knew how much the Net and the ability to actually find friends and interact and share with people helped pull my life out of the gutter when I was a teenager. If only you know how that same ability keeps me going now.
And there's millions, if not billions, of people out there whose lives have been enriched and improved by the Net in ways even more profound than my own experiences.
We built this damn internet to keep communications running in the event of a nuclear war or other complete catastrophe. And now what shuts down communication is a bunch of marketing scrubs who don't want to try to innovate their market? No. No fucking way.
edited 20th Nov '11 3:25:18 PM by Jeysie
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