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#126: Jun 30th 2011 at 4:57:53 AM

What about this one:

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#127: Jun 30th 2011 at 5:47:40 AM

Ba-bump.

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#128: Jun 30th 2011 at 5:52:19 AM

That one is okay. It's a lot funnier than it is representative.

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#129: Jun 30th 2011 at 6:15:50 AM

An extra bump just in case.

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#130: Jun 30th 2011 at 7:10:33 AM

[up][up]what do you mean by "more funny than it is representative?"

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#131: Jun 30th 2011 at 9:48:04 AM

[up] He means it's using the trope more for humor than actually showing it.

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#132: Jun 30th 2011 at 11:20:56 AM

It's not bad. I like it. I'm hoping for a bit more though.

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#133: Jul 27th 2011 at 2:52:51 AM

At one point, I added a picture of Superman from Lex Luthor: Man of Steel to the page; Superman is recognizable as a hero on his own, but was here depicted as clearly an enemy. Would that fit?

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#134: Jul 27th 2011 at 1:21:32 PM

Where did you add it? Is it in the Image Links section or something?

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#135: Aug 17th 2011 at 1:02:55 PM

I thought Tommy Lee Jones' character from the fugitive was a great example. The movie is a classic that's still loved by many cinema buffs, though I see that it's not quite so loved here.

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#136: Aug 17th 2011 at 11:30:45 PM

Well, it's not that it's not loved (I've personally never seen it), but being loved and being a classic and being well known to critics don't really matter to the standards that we use to pick images. The most important of which is "shows the trope" and whether the example is good, isn't as important as if the image is good. We've got a full list of standards on How To Pick A Good Image.

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#137: Aug 18th 2011 at 12:45:21 PM

Having read this thread from start to finish, I think it would be best if we laid some ground rules for using a character as an image.

1) It should be a character that is well known in pop culture, as a whole. Not just to a specific subculture. While the Fugitive might be a good example for movie buffs, and L would be a good one for anime fans, neither are particularly iconic, and therefore, Just A Face And A Caption.

2) Failing that, it should be self-evident from the image that the person in question is A) the antagonist, and B) a heroic character.

3) This is very important, the person in the picture should actually be an example of the trope.

Now getting past all that, I don't think we can do this with a character. If there's an infographic, or some kind of original drawing that ca be made to exemplify it, that should be workable.

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#138: Aug 18th 2011 at 12:51:18 PM

Suzaku from Code Geass, in a contrast shot with Lelouch in his Zero outfit?

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#139: Aug 18th 2011 at 7:33:55 PM

We'd need to see the actual picture, but I'd like to point out that to someone not familiar with Code Geass, Suzaku would look like he was the protagonist, not just the hero.

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#140: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:41:34 PM

How about the boxart for Mario Vs Donkey Kong, which is currently being used on its work page? Everyone knows Mario's a hero, and DK has his own games and he's shown in Mario spinoffs to be on good terms with Mario's friends. Yet it refers back to the original iconic Donkey Kong game, where you're Mario trying to save the girl from the big ape.

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#142: Aug 19th 2011 at 6:46:02 AM

We'd need to see the actual picture, but I'd like to point out that to someone not familiar with Code Geass, Suzaku would look like he was the protagonist, not just the hero.

Most of the promo art (and fanart) puts the two together, Lelouch in black and Suzaku in white. There are shots from the show, I'm sure, as well, and you can very obviously tell that Lelouch is evil (or at least an Anti-Villain) and Suzaku is not (or at least an Anti-Hero).

I guess the caption would do the protagonist/antagonist part, though... hm...

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#144: Sep 8th 2011 at 5:46:11 AM

[up] I don't see how that helps. As near as I can tell, in that picture Mario is the hero, and Kong is the antagonist.

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#145: Sep 14th 2011 at 7:36:36 AM

I know how much of a pain it is to crop, but there's the old standby Oot S. Miko (a paladin) shows up to arrest the protagonists in this strip and the next one. In this case she's more of an Inspector Javert, though.

Edit: In fact, I think Miko would be better on that page than this one. And the Inspector Javert pic isn't very demonstrative.

edited 14th Sep '11 7:38:49 AM by unhappyyak

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#146: Sep 14th 2011 at 11:15:47 AM

Maybe we could use the following from this, since the police are the hero antagonists of GTA.


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#147: Sep 14th 2011 at 11:25:25 AM

[up]That's not bad for an example...does it make sense to people who don't know GTA?

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#149: Sep 14th 2011 at 11:37:04 AM

Maybe a cursory mention of GTA in the caption? I just want to head off the "but how do I know that they're antagonists" argument.

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#150: Sep 15th 2011 at 8:39:21 PM

I would say either pothole pic to article and caption to GTA or vice versa.

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