I still maintain that the Trope Decayed
definition wouldn't be an actual trope. People doing bad things to other people just isn't very noteworthy in and of itself. In fact, this would probably lead to more of a YMMV
concept, since it would involve individual editors themselves making the point about people being bastards, based solely on how they interpret characters' actions or behavior. It wouldn't necessarily be a point made in the work itself.
At the very least, describing a person bemoaning or making some kind of observation on the fact that people do bad things to other people (like in the "gray area" examples I've noted in the OP) would be something good to aim for.
That, too. My point is that Humans Are Bastards
is inherently an opinion; as such, to be a trope, it should be limited to that opinion being directly conveyed In-Universe
, either through stated messages and dialogue (all of the "gray area" examples I've mentioned) or through allegory and symbolism (like in Lord of the Flies
edited 6th Jan '12 10:25:53 AM by SeanMurrayI