edited 26th Aug '11 2:50:49 PM by Xtifr
edited 26th Aug '11 2:39:18 PM by SeanMurrayI
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- In Warehouse 13 H.G Wells becomes of this opinion after her daughter dies and she Bronzes herself to go to the future which she hoped would be a better world but is disapointed to find out that humanity has gotten worse and tries to destroy the world becasue she believes humanity is that bad.
- It is heavily implied in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker that most humans are part of this trope: The big bad, Hot Coldman, has a tatoo on the back of his head depicting a wolfman holding a peace symbol that also has the phrase "Homo Homini Lupus", A Latin phrase that translates to "Man is a wolf to [his fellow] man." Which is a phrase meant to be the ultimate depiction of the trope, and he either believes all humans are like this, or is meant to show how much he himself fits that phrase. In addition, Paz's true beliefs in peace are that she doesn't believe in it, as humans are naturally going to be absolute jerks to each other and battle each other, and even in her peace-loving teenage ambassador act, she states that Peace is an unnatural state for humans.
edited 14th Sep '11 10:23:20 PM by Cider
edited 14th Sep '11 10:50:31 PM by SeanMurrayI
- is it different from Crapsack World?
- I think the answer is unequivocally yes; it's about humans, not the world, and neither implies nor requires the other, even if they do frequently overlap.
- is it different from Hobbes Was Right?
- I think the answer is clearly: they're not even close.
- do we need a trope to cover the far end of Sliding Scale of Cynicism vs. Idealism?
- We already have a trope for the other end, so why not? Also, sliding scales make for poor examples. Having tropes to mark the end points makes life easier.
- already covered by other other tropes.
- Nobody has given any specific examples aside from Crapsack World covered above, so this comes down to special pleading unless someone wants to stop being "too lazy to look it up" (a direct quote from above) and actually find these hypothetical other tropes.
- We don't need it.
- Massive use throughout the wiki suggests otherwise.
- It's not a trope.
- this won't address all the misuse.
- No, sadly, nothing will do that, because a lot of the misuse isn't tropeable. This should address enough of the misuse to help quite a bit, though.
- one or two humans may be an exception in many cases
- Crapsack World covers all possible examples.
- Not necessarily true in the case of a farce or comedy, and in any case, that would just mean that Crapsack World is a supertrope. This would still be a perfectly valid subtrope.
edited 15th Sep '11 2:27:30 PM by Xtifr
edited 15th Sep '11 1:57:39 PM by SeanMurrayI
edited 15th Sep '11 2:28:28 PM by Xtifr
Alternative Titles: Humans Are Bastards
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